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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2008, 12:17:40 PM »


 After hearing that I feel like killing myself. Please slap yourself for me, thank you.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2008, 12:20:41 PM »
After hearing that I feel like killing myself. Please slap yourself for me, thank you.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2008, 12:21:00 PM »
So depression isn't something that should ever be medicated? Depression is often helped with drugs - does that mean there was a "real illness"? Where do you draw the line for what should be treated?

Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.

Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2008, 12:24:40 PM »
Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.

Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.
Not only are americans the most medicated, we are also the most unhappy...

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2008, 12:27:04 PM »
Not only are americans the most medicated, we are also the most unhappy... biggest whiners


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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2008, 12:30:31 PM »
Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.

Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.

Yes most would agree that they are overprescribed. It's kind of hard to draw the line though. "Fat Betty" might say she feels like this but should she be on drugs?

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A person suffering a major depressive episode usually exhibits a low mood pervading all aspects of life and an inability to experience pleasure in previously enjoyable activities. Depressed people may be preoccupied with, or ruminate over, thoughts and feelings of worthlessness, inappropriate guilt or regret, helplessness or hopelessness.[3] Other symptoms include poor concentration and memory, withdrawal from social situations and activities, reduced sex drive, and thoughts of death or suicide.


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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2008, 12:31:44 PM »
there are lots of very sick people with serious mental diseases on which psychopharmacology has worked wonders.  the diseases include schizophrenia, bi-polar disease, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, various Anxiety Disorders, Dementia, Dissociative Disorders, Impulse Control Disorders, and yes Depressive disorders.  sure some people abuse the meds, but for hundreds of thousands of other, its the difference between leading a somewhat normal life vs being locked away in a mental institution or prison.
I agree with what you've said here. But, I agree with Tom Szasz (the guy in the video) that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in particular is not a disease. It is not a "malfunction" of the brain, just a slightly different functioning brain. ADHD will be a productive phenomenon if we 1) allow those with it to follow their natural interests and 2) facilitate/feed those interests. If we do this, they will master what they are naturally interested in.

In fact, many children/people with ADHD actually show an increased ability to focus on something, relative to those who do not have ADHD. The catch is, they must be naturally interested in that something. But, if they are naturally interested in it, they will completely immerse themselves in it and master it. It is not a "disease" (a malfunction of the brain). Most of the others are.

"Normal" can be no more than opinion, and most of the time it simply means "what most other people are most content with."  :-\ If you're not acting in a way others consider to be acceptable for them, they will say you have something wrong with you. If it is naturally occuring and there is no physical (cellular) disability, there is not anything wrong with you. Again, there are many legitimate psychological disorders/diseases, but, attention deficit disorder in particular is not one.


http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatry-Science-Lies-Thomas-Szasz/dp/0815609108/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230495522&sr=8-1

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2008, 12:34:55 PM »
I agree with what you've said here. But, I agree with Tom Szasz (the guy in the video) that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in particular is not a disease. It is not a "malfunction" of the brain, just a slightly different functioning brain. ADHD will be a productive phenomenon if we 1) allow those with it to follow their natural interests and 2) facilitate/feed those interests. If we do this, they will master what they are naturally interested in.

In fact, many children/people with ADHD actually show an increased ability to focus on something, relative to those who do not have ADHD. The catch is, they must be naturally interested in that something. But, if they are naturally interested in it, they will completely immerse themselves in it and master it. It is not a "disease" (a malfunction of the brain). Most of the others are.

"Normal" can be no more than opinion, and most of the time it simply means "what most other people are most content with."  :-\ If you're not acting in a way others consider to be acceptable for them, they will say you have something wrong with you. If it is naturally occuring and there is no physical (cellular) disability, there is not anything wrong with you. Again, there are many legitimate psychological disorders/diseases, but, attention deficit disorder in particular is not one.


http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatry-Science-Lies-Thomas-Szasz/dp/0815609108/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230495522&sr=8-1

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2008, 12:35:51 PM »
Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.

Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.

True.  I get SI, Golf Digest, Sporting News, etc...  probably about 10.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2008, 02:02:41 PM »
tom cruise is an idiot. psychiatry is medicine and is very difficult to perfect since you are dealing with unquantifiable phenomenon in most cases.

the rest of medicine is wack as well, prednisone for the win.

good post. its (medicine) at least subject to blind, controlled, systematic studies that have to survive scrutiny and provide statistically significant outcomes to be accepted. unlike BS like religion and scientology.

no offence intended to the religious people of us- it has its good purposes for sure- but it couldnt be claimed to be based on observed and proven fact..thats all.

in the right hands, and if used as a positive pursuit then im all for people to have a belief.

the problem ive seen over the last decade or so is that the groups that simply dont understand have been given preferential media and created a power through the ignorant which now has enough momentum to make a noise and question real science.

when that gets to the public it sounds like science is goofy. when science gets a chance, they blow all the speculation out of the water and the mob finds that insulting so take a new course of attack..and so on..

thank god only the smart people actually matter in this case anyway. the mob can make as much noise as they want but until they can prove anything - its just that- noise.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2008, 02:05:06 PM »
there are lots of very sick people with serious mental diseases on which psychopharmacology has worked wonders.  the diseases include schizophrenia, bi-polar disease, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, various Anxiety Disorders, Dementia, Dissociative Disorders, Impulse Control Disorders, and yes Depressive disorders.  sure some people abuse the meds, but for hundreds of thousands of other, its the difference between leading a somewhat normal life vs being locked away in a mental institution or prison.

spot on tim. and not one of them miraculously were healed by any drug free approach.

they might not be perfect, but they give some back to suffering people who might be a statistic today.

imagine the suicide and murder stats if psych drugs werent available?..i think itd be mind boggling.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2008, 02:08:42 PM »
Not only are americans the most medicated, we are also the most unhappy...

yet, despite this, when a new president suggests change is needed you all go "no way, its the greatest contry in the world- we need and demand our liberties"...

fact is that anyone can get a weapon, and loads of people are unstable...that in itself if a cocktail for disaster.

iirc the figure was 10% of all americans at any one time are depressed or on psych drugs... so, from 300 million people that means as many as 30 million have psych issues AND a gun.


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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2008, 03:09:21 PM »

Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures
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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2008, 05:08:10 AM »
True.  I get SI, Golf Digest, Sporting News, etc...  probably about 10.

Got me there!!!!!!!! :o :o :o

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2008, 05:40:34 AM »
its amazing how many people disagreed with tom. Psychiatry IS A PSEUDOSCIENCE.




  Psychiatry's solution to all of children's problems: give them methylphenidate or some other psychostimulants. Psychiatry's solution to all of adult's problems: give them fluoxetine, paroxetine or some other SSRI. :-X

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2008, 03:39:26 PM »
Cognitive therapy should be taught in schools...Kids should be given tools on how to deal with depression when it arises...The real war is always in your own head...Having tools on how to deal with "the voice" is crucial...

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2008, 03:48:00 PM »
People do have problems but way too many who just need to pick themselves up have are given excuses to whine and complain because of the wide range of disorders.

There are people with serious problems out there, but the amount being diagnosed is overstated. 

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2008, 03:49:29 PM »
Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures



Didnt you once write that you = a member of teh moronity of scientology? Was that a joke? ::)

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2008, 03:52:28 PM »
Cognitive therapy should be taught in schools...Kids should be given tools on how to deal with depression when it arises...The real war is always in your own head...Having tools on how to deal with "the voice" is crucial...
True. We don't teach people the most valuable things in life. That should be the first and foremost priority.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2008, 04:02:20 PM »
who cares what they call it and if there's no cure?

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2008, 04:06:17 PM »
Speaking of Tom Cruise...

One of the best bands in the world here in a very good Tom Cruise movie...Movie--Vanilla Sky--Video is Sigur Ros's "the nothing song"


 

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2008, 04:24:08 AM »
Speaking of Tom Cruise...

One of the best bands in the world here in a very good Tom Cruise movie...Movie--Vanilla Sky--Video is Sigur Ros's "the nothing song"


 

Terrific movie, great song.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2008, 09:24:13 PM »
Most of the things you listed tim, can be helped without medicine.  I still don't know if I believe mpd exists.

you dont know what you are talking about.

Why is everyone so against drugs? would you rather herbs? which are drugs as well by definition. People want a quick fix and doctors are overburndened as is.

I love armchair tarts.. what would you do with someone who has severe bi polar disorder? maybe give then a metal aka lithium??????????

sure supplementation can help and some supps are great, but drugs are badly needed.

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Re: Tom Cruise was right after all. Psychiatry is a mess
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2008, 09:26:46 PM »
I only now looked at the video. I've read this guy's stuff before and he isn't a retard. He is right, it not a disease if it can't be verified by objective tests i.e. if there is no organic source. But we know that some people can't function in society unless medicated. Call it a "personality trait" or whatever, but we know drugs help some people function.



ummmm... people with adhd have been tested using PET scans and have altered glucose metabolism. Imaging and NT bypoducts via urinalysis have shown predictable results as well.

disease is any dis---ease in the body, a dis harmony. Mental illness fit the criteria, if syndromes are diseases then so are mental illnesses.

etiology doesnt define disease.