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« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2008, 09:00:26 PM »

they were definitely good. but out of all those receiver tandems you posted, where would you rank duper/clayton?


exactly.
i would rank them right up there among the best.
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« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2008, 09:02:14 PM »

theyve never been all brady. he didnt really have a SUPERB year until randy moss came to town.


he was great, though, considering he only had so-so receivers for the longest time.
plus vinatieri bailed that whole team for a long time.

He did win a few rings before Moss came to town, so that's enough for most critics. You could have said the same about Montana during a few of his "lesser years". Not great on the stat sheet (ala Marino), but what he lacked in "fantasy" game he made up for in the win column.

Vinatieri is owed big time by Pats nation. And Bellichick is the real HOF'er in the whole mix. He's the one who is truly great.
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« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2008, 09:02:43 PM »

I think he belongs in the HOF. I don't think he deserved to go as early as he did.

The same thing will happen in baseball. Jeter will go in first ballot HOF, even though he's not the greatest infielder of his era.

Some guys are just media darlings that remain untouchable. Aikman was one of those guys. Peyton Manning is another -- they are untouchable, and they would have to be caught throwing kittens from atop the Empire State Building in the nude for anyone to believe differently.

thats whats its all about really. being a media darling.

you hit the nail in the head with Jeter.
Manning can actually play. Smiley
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« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2008, 09:03:10 PM »

I like Cassel, and 11-5 is a record I'd love for my team to have.  If the Raiders were 11-5, tonite's San Diego-Denver game wouldn't mean shit! lol

Oh well...they can't all be Jackson/Allen backfields, can they?
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« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2008, 09:05:21 PM »

thats whats its all about really. being a media darling.

you hit the nail in the head with Jeter.
Manning can actually play. Smiley

Manning is the best of both worlds. He wins games, he's great at quarterback, and most men in America have a serious hetero man-crush on the guy. He's a media darling. He can put his name on anything and it'll sell. He gets on a TV screen, and every guy stops to watch.

He's a dream come true for the NFL. He's a license to print money for the NFLPA.

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« Reply #80 on: December 28, 2008, 09:05:50 PM »

all im saying is since football is considered by many as the ultimate TEAM sport, wins shouldnt be attributed to ONE single player.

if you are gonna go by individual talent, you CANNOT use wins as a stat. only individual sports can get away with that (boxing, wrestling, golf, tennis, etc)
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« Reply #81 on: December 28, 2008, 09:06:53 PM »

oh, and bodybuilding.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2008, 09:19:12 PM »

   the team the cowboys had; the OL was one of the best of all times.  the avg running back could have put up the stats that smith had.  not taking nothing from smith, but you can drive a truck though them holes.  but you can say them hogs had a great line as well 
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« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2008, 09:36:56 PM »

Does anyone else think that Tony Romo is a little version of Farve who makes just as many mistakes as older Brett does?...
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« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2008, 09:40:08 PM »

By the way...Marino couldn't win because he was a fcuking cock sucker of a human being...He was hated be most of the people on his team...If Marino and Montana changed roles, Marino would not have won in SF either...Clark and Rice would have also dropped a ton of ballz from the douchebag/cokehead Marino...
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« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2008, 09:40:50 PM »

By the way...Mario couldn't win because he was a fcuking cock sucker of a human being...He was hated be most of the people on his team...If Mario and Montana changed roles, Mario would not have won in SF either...Clark and Rice would have also dropped a ton of ballz from the douchebag/cokehead Mario...
who the hell is Mario? Huh
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« Reply #86 on: December 28, 2008, 09:43:24 PM »

who the hell is Mario? Huh

some plumber.
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« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2008, 09:44:12 PM »

who the hell is Mario? Huh

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« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2008, 09:52:20 PM »

all im saying is barry sanders is the best running back player to ever play the game !

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UQ26EpTmBs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UQ26EpTmBs</a>

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« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2008, 09:55:18 PM »

I think he belongs in the HOF. I don't think he deserved to go as early as he did.

The same thing will happen in baseball. Jeter will go in first ballot HOF, even though he's not the greatest infielder of his era.

Some guys are just media darlings that remain untouchable. Aikman was one of those guys. Peyton Manning is another -- they are untouchable, and they would have to be caught throwing kittens from atop the Empire State Building in the nude for anyone to believe differently.

Surely youre not so retarded that you would say manning is just a media darling? Have you ever watched a football game or sports stat? Idiot.

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« Reply #90 on: December 28, 2008, 09:56:46 PM »

fixed. For the doubters, show mw anyone who has done more with less.

Jason

maybe jim brown.
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« Reply #91 on: December 28, 2008, 10:16:11 PM »

He did win a few rings before Moss came to town, so that's enough for most critics. You could have said the same about Montana during a few of his "lesser years". Not great on the stat sheet (ala Marino), but what he lacked in "fantasy" game he made up for in the win column.

Vinatieri is owed big time by Pats nation. And Bellichick is the real HOF'er in the whole mix. He's the one who is truly great.

It should be noted that Moss was at the lowest point in his career before he started playing with Brady.  Also, it should be mentioned that Brady passed for over 4000 yards with Branch as a number one option in 2005.  Brady has always made receivers better, and his mindblowing stats in 07 came from Belichick opening up the pats O to Brady, and allowing it to be an explosive ariel attack (and Brady getting some legit wr's).  The running game was the emphasis before the NFL started changing all the rules to encourage passing.  Belichick is infact a genius, so that helps.  It's amazing what Brady did (considering many of the final games were in very bad weather).  I think he would have went 65+ td's to 4 int's if he played in a dome.

I don't know how anyone can question Brady and cite that spygate nonsense.  Last year, when the media frenzy was going on, the guy threw 50 td's to 4 freaking ints.  There was defiantly no monkey business going on last season.  He had the best season of any QB ever, and he did it under intense scrutiny.  Oh and The commissioner of the NFL stated several times no "taping" occurred in any sb's so that whole argument is bs. Brady had all the sb's and owns every record in the books for a single season, he can't be denied.  However, I still consider Montana the best ever (at this point) 

Brady now has Moss and Welker
Manning has Harrison and Wayne
Montana had Rice
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« Reply #92 on: December 28, 2008, 10:24:59 PM »

It should be noted that Moss was at the lowest point in his career before he started playing with Brady.  Also, it should be mentioned that Brady passed for over 4000 yards with Branch as a number one option in 2005.  Brady has always made receivers better, and his mindblowing stats in 07 came from Belichick turning the pats O into a much more explosive ariel attackm and him getting some legit wr's.  The running game was the emphasis before the NFL started changing all the rules to encourage passing.  Belichick is infact a genius, so that helps.  It's amazing what Brady did (considering many of the final games where in very bad weather).  I think he would have went 65+ td's to 4 int's if he played in a dome.

I don't know how anyone can question Brady and cite that spygate nonsense.  Last year, when the media frenzy was going on, the guy threw 50 td's to 4 freaking ints.  There was defiantly no monkey business going on last season.  He had the best season of any QB ever, and he did it under intense scrutiny.  Oh and The commissioner of the NFL stated several times no "taping" occurred in any sb's so that whole argument is bs. Brady had all the sb's and owns every record in the books for a single season, he can't be denied.  However, I still consider Montana the best ever (at this point) 

Brady now has Moss and Welker
Manning has Harrison and Wayne
Montana had Rice
etc....

why on earth would you put montana ahead of brady? brady has done a lot more than montana has ever done (and that's saying a LOT). brady's not my fav qb (marino is) but he definitely should be ahead of montana at this point, no?
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« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2008, 10:25:56 PM »

why on earth would you put montana ahead of brady? brady has done a lot more than montana has ever done (and that's saying a LOT). brady's not my fav qb (marino is) but he definitely should be ahead of montana at this point, no?


I agree, but I won't say Brady is the greatest ever until it's all said and done.  At that point I think it might be able to be said without much of a counter argument from others.  If he wins another sb, it's not even debatable - imo.
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« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2008, 10:57:01 PM »

Brady seems like a heady guy.  But one cannot help but to think that much of his success came as a result of what the NFL has defined as cheating.     

Correct.  The NFL had to go back and instruct officials on how to properly call defensive holding/pass interference according to the rule book, after the Pats RAPED the Colts receivers year after year in the AFC playoffs, and prior to that, the Rams receivers in SB36.  You call any of those games according to the rule book, and the Pats don't even get a sniff of at least 2 of their Super Bowls.

Come on man. You don't believe that? If you did, why didn't Cassel take them to the playoffs? Why wasn't their division record stronger than it was?

Maybe it's because they have about 18 players on Injured reserve, and their defense is getting almost elderly.

Cheating...just a bunch of BS media hooplah. Like Bellichick did anything every other coach is doing. Spare me.

They were caught, and tapes from previous years mysteriously "disappeared".  Yeah, right.  Goodell was doing a favor for his buddy Bobby Kraft, and sweeping under the rug a whole multitude of problems that those tapes would've revealed for the league's legitimacy.

I'm not a Pats fan, but that wasn't cheating.

You sound like one.  And perhaps their "gift" in SB36 wasn't "cheating", but there's no question that Bobby Kraft and Tags were buddies.  Any reasonably knowledgeable football fan will never acknowledge their SB36 "win" as legit after seeing the 150+ yards in free uncalled penalties they got away with in that game.  See these videos for a refresher in that gang raping (150 yards of uncalled penalties & Bernie Kukar - Incompetent or "on the take"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-L9ExI_76E&feature=related
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3529369093687376012

Brady has always made receivers better, and his mindblowing stats in 07 came from Belichick opening up the pats O to Brady, and allowing it to be an explosive ariel attack (and Brady getting some legit wr's).  The running game was the emphasis before the NFL started changing all the rules to encourage passing. 

They never changed rules to encourage passing.  They held a meeting prior to the 05 or 06 season (don't recall which), and reminded officials how to properly call defensive pass interference, holding, and other molestation of receivers which the PATS were responsible for.

Belichick is infact a genius, so that helps.

He's an excellent coach in a number of ways.  Not sure about genius, though.  He excels at knowing exactly how far he can push the rules, bend the rules, etc...

Oh and The commissioner of the NFL stated several times no "taping" occurred in any sb's so that whole argument is bs.

ROFLMAO!   I guess Bill Clinton never had "inappropriate relations" with that woman, either, right?
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« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2008, 11:04:01 PM »

Correct.  The NFL had to go back and instruct officials on how to properly call defensive holding/pass interference according to the rule book, after the Pats RAPED the Colts receivers year after year in the AFC playoffs, and prior to that, the Rams receivers in SB36.  You call any of those games according to the rule book, and the Pats don't even get a sniff of at least 2 of their Super Bowls.

Maybe it's because they have about 18 players on Injured reserve, and their defense is getting almost elderly.

They were caught, and tapes from previous years mysteriously "disappeared".  Yeah, right.  Goodell was doing a favor for his buddy Bobby Kraft, and sweeping under the rug a whole multitude of problems that those tapes would've revealed for the league's legitimacy.

You sound like one.  And perhaps their "gift" in SB36 wasn't "cheating", but there's no question that Bobby Kraft and Tags were buddies.  Any reasonably knowledgeable football fan will never acknowledge their SB36 "win" as legit after seeing the 150+ yards in free uncalled penalties they got away with in that game.  See these videos for a refresher in that gang raping (150 yards of uncalled penalties & Bernie Kukar - Incompetent or "on the take"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-L9ExI_76E&feature=related
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3529369093687376012

They never changed rules to encourage passing.  They held a meeting prior to the 05 or 06 season (don't recall which), and reminded officials how to properly call defensive pass interference, holding, and other molestation of receivers which the PATS were responsible for.

He's an excellent coach in a number of ways.  Not sure about genius, though.  He excels at knowing exactly how far he can push the rules, bend the rules, etc...

ROFLMAO!   I guess Bill Clinton never had "inappropriate relations" with that woman, either, right?

I am tired as hell right now, so I will a answer some of the points tommorow. 
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« Reply #96 on: December 28, 2008, 11:13:25 PM »

I am tired as hell right now, so I will a answer some of the points tommorow. 

No need.  The 2 video clips I posted links of says it all.  Peyton Manning should be the one with 3 rings now, and Warner with 2.
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« Reply #97 on: December 29, 2008, 12:39:10 AM »

Oh well...they can't all be Jackson/Allen backfields, can they?

Fucking Al Davis, I swear.

The life of a Raiders fan is the most painful of all over the past two decades.

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« Reply #98 on: December 29, 2008, 04:02:27 AM »

why on earth would you put montana ahead of brady? brady has done a lot more than montana has ever done (and that's saying a LOT). brady's not my fav qb (marino is) but he definitely should be ahead of montana at this point, no?



You should ask Marino, how does it feel to never win a superbowl. I am willing to bet he'll trade all those "stats," and his left nut for a ring!

IMO, who gives a fuck if you can't win the big one, ask guys like Moss and Owens.
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« Reply #99 on: December 29, 2008, 04:14:38 AM »

Brett Favre is a man who loves Wrangler Jeans.
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