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« Reply #300 on: December 30, 2008, 01:20:51 PM »
Dude Professor V is not David James.  Quit brining his ass up.  I agree about Professor V.  But those who can't teach.  David James is the one responsible for turning VAJ into the sensible, practical and very effective street self defense system it is today. 
Hahah I thought I remember you running your mouth in another thread.  I totally forgot you were a kung fu guy!  HAHAHAAHAHAH!  What a worthless fucking system for fighting or self defense for that matter.  I'd love for you to ask Phillip Redmond what he thinks of VAJ and David James.  Lke I said.....ask around.  Aks the Gracies about Shihan John Petrone.  That is if you are so well connected as you pretend to be. 

Which Gracie are you referring to?  East coast Gracies is Renzo.  He is a part of Gracie Barra.  I am a part of Gracie Humaita.  You still haven't proven anything.  If Shihan James is SOOOOOO Deadly, wouldn't he want to earn a six figure payday?  Brock gets 250K a fight, and 3% of the PPV revenue.  Why not cash in on his "deadliness?"  Why didn't he answer the call when Art Davie was ASKING EVERYONE to participate in the original SEG UFC.  He could've created a cottage industry like BJJ has become.  Can you imagine how much revenue he could have created.  I'll let you ponder that rhetorical question, and btw, youtube vids against non resisting opponents won't impress anyone. 

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« Reply #301 on: December 30, 2008, 01:30:35 PM »
ANY OF THE GRACIES!  Relson, Renzo, Hoyce etc.  Ask ANY OF THEM.  They will tell you. 

John Petrone will put his system up against anyone's.  And he has.  Hence why he has the reputation of a "thug" in the martial arts community.  Moreover, VAJ is a self defense system.  Not a fighting system.  If you can't understand the difference then keep doing your little wing chun crap.  People would get maimed for life.  Also Johnn Petrone has fought in Vale Tudo and has grappled with a few of the Gracies and I believe Ken Shamrock.  VAJ is growing in popularity.  BJJ is bullshit.  It's a fad.  The Gracies are great business people half the time and full of shit half the time.  Put those two together and you can make millions in America just ask Barney Madoff.  David James is a very humble person.  It's like bodybuilding.......no one wants to see a natural bodybuilder.  Well no one is going to pay for an MMA fight that lasts a few seconds because some guy gets his eye gouged out or his knee broken.  They'd rather pay $100 a ticket to watch two people roll around on the ground thinking that will carry over into a self defense situation in real life.  Hell you could put up a well trained Boxer with a few months of striking, locks, grapple work and he'd be one hell of a contender against anyone.  Plus BJJ does not prepare you for opponents much bigger than you.  I don't  know how big you are but I doubt you'd be able to roll around with someone twice your size.  I'm 6'5 and weigh 250 lbs.  I've rolled around with my instructor who is a 7th degree black belt in BJJ and is 6'2 270lbs.  He schooled me. 

But you'll probably come back with some lame example of Royce Gracie fighting a Dan Severan or other big guy.  BJJ is only effective with rules.  Take biting for example.  ANY of those fights with Royce Gracie would have ended with the opponent biting a fucking chunk out of his ankle, arm, head, leg, side whatever.  But you'll probably argue some bullshit philosophical martial arts dogma that real fighters don't bite.  LMAO!  Proving my point. 

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« Reply #302 on: December 30, 2008, 01:38:10 PM »
ANY OF THE GRACIES!  Relson, Renzo, Hoyce etc.  Ask ANY OF THEM.  They will tell you. 

John Petrone will put his system up against anyone's.  And he has.  Hence why he has the reputation of a "thug" in the martial arts community.  Moreover, VAJ is a self defense system.  Not a fighting system.  If you can't understand the difference then keep doing your little wing chun crap.  People would get maimed for life.  Also Johnn Petrone has fought in Vale Tudo and has grappled with a few of the Gracies and I believe Ken Shamrock.  VAJ is growing in popularity.  BJJ is bullshit.  It's a fad.  The Gracies are great business people half the time and full of shit half the time.  Put those two together and you can make millions in America just ask Barney Madoff.  David James is a very humble person.  It's like bodybuilding.......no one wants to see a natural bodybuilder.  Well no one is going to pay for an MMA fight that lasts a few seconds because some guy gets his eye gouged out or his knee broken.  They'd rather pay $100 a ticket to watch two people roll around on the ground thinking that will carry over into a self defense situation in real life.  Hell you could put up a well trained Boxer with a few months of striking, locks, grapple work and he'd be one hell of a contender against anyone.  Plus BJJ does not prepare you for opponents much bigger than you.  I don't  know how big you are but I doubt you'd be able to roll around with someone twice your size.  I'm 6'5 and weigh 250 lbs.  I've rolled around with my instructor who is a 7th degree black belt in BJJ and is 6'2 270lbs.  He schooled me. 

But you'll probably come back with some lame example of Royce Gracie fighting a Dan Severan or other big guy.  BJJ is only effective with rules.  Take biting for example.  ANY of those fights with Royce Gracie would have ended with the opponent biting a fucking chunk out of his ankle, arm, head, leg, side whatever.  But you'll probably argue some bullshit philosophical martial arts dogma that real fighters don't bite.  LMAO!  Proving my point. 

aren't you the guy who claimed to beat up Lenny Mclean
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« Reply #303 on: December 30, 2008, 01:40:56 PM »
e.  Plus BJJ does not prepare you for opponents much bigger than you.  I don't  know how big you are but I doubt you'd be able to roll around with someone twice your size.  I'm 6'5 and weigh 250 lbs.  I've rolled around with my instructor who is a 7th degree black belt in BJJ and is 6'2 270lbs.  He schooled me. 

But you'll probably come back with some lame example of Royce Gracie fighting a Dan Severan or other big guy.  BJJ is only effective with rules.  Take biting for example.  ANY of those fights with Royce Gracie would have ended with the opponent biting a fucking chunk out of his ankle, arm, head, leg, side whatever.  But you'll probably argue some bullshit philosophical martial arts dogma that real fighters don't bite.  LMAO!  Proving my point. 

BJJ trains you to fight a bigger guy , Helio was 9 times out of 10 the smaller guy , Royce made a career out of fighting bigger guys , Rickson vs Zulu I mean the list goes on and on

I don't agree with you that BJJ was a fad , it was supposed to be the end all be all in that respect you could say it was but it certainly serves a purpose in being a complete fighter , they had a huge advantage in the beginning because no one knew the ground game but look what happened when people learned pure BJJ became obsolete as the end all be all fighting styles



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« Reply #304 on: December 30, 2008, 01:44:40 PM »
ANY OF THE GRACIES!  Relson, Renzo, Hoyce etc.  Ask ANY OF THEM.  They will tell you. 

John Petrone will put his system up against anyone's.  And he has.  Hence why he has the reputation of a "thug" in the martial arts community.  Moreover, VAJ is a self defense system.  Not a fighting system.  If you can't understand the difference then keep doing your little wing chun crap.  People would get maimed for life.  Also Johnn Petrone has fought in Vale Tudo and has grappled with a few of the Gracies and I believe Ken Shamrock.  VAJ is growing in popularity.  BJJ is bullshit.  It's a fad.  The Gracies are great business people half the time and full of shit half the time.  Put those two together and you can make millions in America just ask Barney Madoff.  David James is a very humble person.  It's like bodybuilding.......no one wants to see a natural bodybuilder.  Well no one is going to pay for an MMA fight that lasts a few seconds because some guy gets his eye gouged out or his knee broken.  They'd rather pay $100 a ticket to watch two people roll around on the ground thinking that will carry over into a self defense situation in real life.  Hell you could put up a well trained Boxer with a few months of striking, locks, grapple work and he'd be one hell of a contender against anyone.  Plus BJJ does not prepare you for opponents much bigger than you.  I don't  know how big you are but I doubt you'd be able to roll around with someone twice your size.  I'm 6'5 and weigh 250 lbs.  I've rolled around with my instructor who is a 7th degree black belt in BJJ and is 6'2 270lbs.  He schooled me. 

But you'll probably come back with some lame example of Royce Gracie fighting a Dan Severan or other big guy.  BJJ is only effective with rules.  Take biting for example.  ANY of those fights with Royce Gracie would have ended with the opponent biting a fucking chunk out of his ankle, arm, head, leg, side whatever.  But you'll probably argue some bullshit philosophical martial arts dogma that real fighters don't bite.  LMAO!  Proving my point. 

Who's Hoyce?  Hate to break the news to you, champ.  BJJ got popular in Brazil under "Vale Tudo" rules (you used it first).  That means no rules.  Biting, head butts, groin shots, the works.  Relson was family champion in Brazil and took on all comers.  The reason Gracie Jiu-jitsu got so popular is because Carlos and Relio went to all comers (dojo storm to you) and challenged them to a no rules fight.  Guess who won.  When Rorion got to the US, he did the same thing. This became the basis for the UFC.  It was on the old Gracies in Action VHS tapes.  You refer to biting, try it once in a while.  When someone has the hooks in, and is punching you in the back of your head the last thing you are worried about is bitinig someone.  When someone punches you in the face from the mount, when do you plan on biting?  Obviously you don't train, so I will shut my mouth from here on out and let you espouse your opinion without a repartee.

Got rolled up by a visiting JJM blackbelt and tapped three times in five minutes.  I outweigh him by 75 lbs, didn't matter.  Technique, leverage, position coupled with some athleticism allows BJJ to work.  Obvious, you don't train. 

Six months of sprawl training and the boxer is good to go?  Again, obvious you don't train.  One piece of advice, empty your cup of tea, go to a BJJ school that is heavy on self defense, strap on a white belt and train.  You will find a lot of answers to your questions.  Until you've drank someone else tea, how can you speak from a position of authority.  I have been training for most of my life, but like I said earlier, work, wife, kids, prevent me from being a professional martial artist.  So I have to choose one or two.  BJJ/sub grappling coupled with kickboxing and once or twice a month of fun at the IDPA shoots is all I can do.  You obviously can maintain your herculean 6'5 250 lb physique and be the badass of getbig.  Good luck.   ;D

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« Reply #305 on: December 30, 2008, 01:46:28 PM »
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« Reply #306 on: December 30, 2008, 01:46:58 PM »
BJJ trains you to fight a bigger guy , Helio was 9 times out of 10 the smaller guy , Royce made a career out of fighting bigger guys , Rickson vs Zulu I mean the list goes on and on

I don't agree with you that BJJ was a fad , it was supposed to be the end all be all in that respect you could say it was but it certainly serves a purpose in being a complete fighter , they had a huge advantage in the beginning because no one knew the ground game but look what happened when people learned pure BJJ became obsolete as the end all be all fighting styles




It trains you to fight a bigger guy with rules or with the understanding that the other person is not going to bite the shit out of you or gouge your eye out.  Let me put it to you this way.  I'd let ANY BJJ fighter get me in a lock or whatever of his choice.  I'll put my teeth on his ankle, arm, whatever,  There wil be a guy standing with a timer.  As soon as he hits start I'll bite whatever the hell I have ahold of in my mouth and he can try to break my arm, leg neck or whatever.  I guarantee you that no man is going to hold onto a lock or a choke when I've got a two inch chunk of bone deep flesh I just ripped out of his leg.  Look at the reaction of Evander Holyfield when Tyson bit his ear.  AND IT WAS JUST HIS EAR!  A piece of cartilage!  THAT"S MY POINT ABOUT BJJ!  If I jam my fucking thumb or ram my finger through his eye ball while he's got me wrapped up in some stupid lock GAME OVER!  That's the difference between fighting someone who wants to kill you vs. someone who wants to grapple with you.

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« Reply #307 on: December 30, 2008, 01:49:15 PM »
Who's Hoyce?  Hate to break the news to you, champ.  BJJ got popular in Brazil under "Vale Tudo" rules (you used it first).  That means no rules.  Biting, head butts, groin shots, the works.  Relson was family champion in Brazil and took on all comers.  The reason Gracie Jiu-jitsu got so popular is because Carlos and Relio went to all comers (dojo storm to you) and challenged them to a no rules fight.  Guess who won.  When Rorion got to the US, he did the same thing. This became the basis for the UFC.  It was on the old Gracies in Action VHS tapes.  You refer to biting, try it once in a while.  When someone has the hooks in, and is punching you in the back of your head the last thing you are worried about is bitinig someone.  When someone punches you in the face from the mount, when do you plan on biting?  Obviously you don't train, so I will shut my mouth from here on out and let you espouse your opinion without a repartee.

Got rolled up by a visiting JJM blackbelt and tapped three times in five minutes.  I outweigh him by 75 lbs, didn't matter.  Technique, leverage, position coupled with some athleticism allows BJJ to work.  Obvious, you don't train. 

Six months of sprawl training and the boxer is good to go?  Again, obvious you don't train.  One piece of advice, empty your cup of tea, go to a BJJ school that is heavy on self defense, strap on a white belt and train.  You will find a lot of answers to your questions.  Until you've drank someone else tea, how can you speak from a position of authority.  I have been training for most of my life, but like I said earlier, work, wife, kids, prevent me from being a professional martial artist.  So I have to choose one or two.  BJJ/sub grappling coupled with kickboxing and once or twice a month of fun at the IDPA shoots is all I can do.  You obviously can maintain your herculean 6'5 250 lb physique and be the badass of getbig.  Good luck.   ;D

Royce, Hoyce you know who the fuck I mean.  tapped three times in 5 minutes?  LOL I could bite through two inches of flesh in under 10 seconds.  You should try that sometime a BJJ guy "wraps" you up.  Vale Tudo was never really no holds barred.  People would die and be maimed for life moron. 

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Re: do you think a normal guy could beat an mma fighter in a street fight
« Reply #308 on: December 30, 2008, 01:49:50 PM »
It trains you to fight a bigger guy with rules or with the understanding that the other person is not going to bite the shit out of you or gouge your eye out.  Let me put it to you this way.  I'd let ANY BJJ fighter get me in a lock or whatever of his choice.  I'll put my teeth on his ankle, arm, whatever,  There wil be a guy standing with a timer.  As soon as he hits start I'll bite whatever the hell I have ahold of in my mouth and he can try to break my arm, leg neck or whatever.  I guarantee you that no man is going to hold onto a lock or a choke when I've got a two inch chunk of bone deep flesh I just ripped out of his leg.  Look at the reaction of Evander Holyfield when Tyson bit his ear.  AND IT WAS JUST HIS EAR!  A piece of cartilage!  THAT"S MY POINT ABOUT BJJ!  If I jam my fucking thumb or ram my finger through his eye ball while he's got me wrapped up in some stupid lock GAME OVER!  That's the difference between fighting someone who wants to kill you vs. someone who wants to grapple with you.

Tell you what.  If you let me get the hooks on you, slap on a mata leao, I will allow you to try and bite me, poke my eyes.  We film it for youtube, and put it on GB for all posterity.  I plan on competing in the Pan Ams in Cali, so you meet me half way.  BTW, I am 41, 6'0, 200lbs.  I will be down to 185 with gi by the Pan Ams.  

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« Reply #309 on: December 30, 2008, 01:52:25 PM »
Tell you what.  If you let me get the hooks on you, slap on a mata leao, I will allow you to try and bite me, poke my eyes.  We film it for youtube, and put it on GB for all posterity.  I plan on competing in the Pan Ams in Cali, so you meet me half way.  BTW, I am 41, 6'0, 200lbs.  I will be down to 185 with gi by the Pan Ams.  

 ::)  You missed my entire point.  Mata leao! LMAO! 

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« Reply #310 on: December 30, 2008, 01:53:48 PM »
::)  You missed my entire point.  Mata leao! LMAO! 

I thought so.  I am offically done...

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« Reply #311 on: December 30, 2008, 01:56:35 PM »
It trains you to fight a bigger guy with rules or with the understanding that the other person is not going to bite the shit out of you or gouge your eye out.  Let me put it to you this way.  I'd let ANY BJJ fighter get me in a lock or whatever of his choice.  I'll put my teeth on his ankle, arm, whatever,  There wil be a guy standing with a timer.  As soon as he hits start I'll bite whatever the hell I have ahold of in my mouth and he can try to break my arm, leg neck or whatever.  I guarantee you that no man is going to hold onto a lock or a choke when I've got a two inch chunk of bone deep flesh I just ripped out of his leg.  Look at the reaction of Evander Holyfield when Tyson bit his ear.  AND IT WAS JUST HIS EAR!  A piece of cartilage!  THAT"S MY POINT ABOUT BJJ!  If I jam my fucking thumb or ram my finger through his eye ball while he's got me wrapped up in some stupid lock GAME OVER!  That's the difference between fighting someone who wants to kill you vs. someone who wants to grapple with you.

You wouldn't be able to bite if you were in an armbar  , I get your point about the eye gouge that would be very effective biting less so

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« Reply #312 on: December 30, 2008, 02:38:14 PM »
It trains you to fight a bigger guy with rules or with the understanding that the other person is not going to bite the shit out of you or gouge your eye out.  Let me put it to you this way.  I'd let ANY BJJ fighter get me in a lock or whatever of his choice.  I'll put my teeth on his ankle, arm, whatever,  There wil be a guy standing with a timer.  As soon as he hits start I'll bite whatever the hell I have ahold of in my mouth and he can try to break my arm, leg neck or whatever.  I guarantee you that no man is going to hold onto a lock or a choke when I've got a two inch chunk of bone deep flesh I just ripped out of his leg.  Look at the reaction of Evander Holyfield when Tyson bit his ear.  AND IT WAS JUST HIS EAR!  A piece of cartilage!  THAT"S MY POINT ABOUT BJJ!  If I jam my fucking thumb or ram my finger through his eye ball while he's got me wrapped up in some stupid lock GAME OVER!  That's the difference between fighting someone who wants to kill you vs. someone who wants to grapple with you.



so youre a blackbelt for biting???

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« Reply #313 on: December 30, 2008, 04:28:58 PM »


so youre a blackbelt for biting???

Funny.   ::)  My point is biting is a very effective means of survival when someone is attacking you, i.e. wanting to kill you.  It's even more affective against some BJJ guy who wants to roll around on the ground with you.  I mean just look at wrestling.  BJJ is no different.  Your mouth comes into contact with all types of potential areas for biting.  Stomach, nipples, ears, face, groin, calves, ankles etc.  Trust me if you've ever fucking been bitten you know what I'm talking about.  If Tyson can manage to bite an opponent's ear in a boxing match just think about biting someone who tries to get you in the mount, guard, clinch! 

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« Reply #314 on: December 30, 2008, 04:52:26 PM »
I thought so.  I am offically done...

Honestly dude, you're such a whiny bitch... get your head of the clouds about jiu jitsu (read: NO ONE GIVES A FUCK about two fags wrestling on the ground trying to secure an ankle lock)  stop acting like you're so fucking high and mighty cause really no one cares, mr "I've been doing jiu jitsu for 30 years and have rolled with relson, royce, helio, rickson, rorion, renzo, rodrigo and every known MMA fighter in existence.  I'm sure you're just the 'illest' badass in real life,  what were your stats again? 180lbs. @ 6"2 ?? 

And as per your last post, I never said muscle and size didn't make a difference in fighting, as long as both are trained fighters, but an untrained 300lb. bodybuilder will get destroyed by a 170lb trained fighter.


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« Reply #315 on: December 30, 2008, 04:54:42 PM »
lots of badasses in this thread. ::)

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« Reply #316 on: December 30, 2008, 04:57:45 PM »


And as per your last post, I never said muscle and size didn't make a difference in fighting, as long as both are trained fighters, but an untrained 300lb. bodybuilder will get destroyed by a 170lb trained fighter.



No he wouldn't the big guy would man handle the smaller one until he gassed in about 2 minutes and then he'd get picked apart

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« Reply #317 on: December 30, 2008, 05:02:26 PM »
No he wouldn't the big guy would man handle the smaller one until he gassed in about 2 minutes and then he'd get picked apart

Not in the real worldy buddy :)

I've seen 140lb. JKD guys take out 6"4 280lb. guys I've bounced with ,  one of these little guys must've hit my big buddy about 8 times in one second,  fast as fuck. And if they know WHERE to hit, yuou're fucked.

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« Reply #318 on: December 30, 2008, 05:03:59 PM »
Not in the real worldy buddy :)

I've seen 140lb. JKD guys take out 6"4 280lb. guys I've bounced with ,  one of these little guys must've hit my big buddy about 8 times in one second,  fast as fuck. And if they know WHERE to hit, yuou're fucked.


You know what I agree with you I read it to fast !! an untrained bodybuilder would get demoralized

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« Reply #319 on: December 30, 2008, 05:04:49 PM »
Arguing with this Mcmannus guy is a waste of time. He was polluting the MMA board with this van jitsu street biting nonsense. Maybe it's a great system, maybe not, I don't really care. I just hate these martial arts guys always arguing about what style is most "lethal" or "street effective". I said it in the last thread he was posting all this shit in; there are a million and one variables for what can happen on the "street", different things will always work better than others in different scenarios.

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« Reply #320 on: December 30, 2008, 06:01:28 PM »
Arguing with this Mcmannus guy is a waste of time. He was polluting the MMA board with this van jitsu street biting nonsense. Maybe it's a great system, maybe not, I don't really care. I just hate these martial arts guys always arguing about what style is most "lethal" or "street effective". I said it in the last thread he was posting all this shit in; there are a million and one variables for what can happen on the "street", different things will always work better than others in different scenarios.

Email John Petrone.  Here's his myspace page tough ass.  Why don't you ask him about VAJ, bouncing, fighting, self defense, grappling with Ken Shamrock and the Gracies.  He walks the walk. 

http://www.myspace.com/vajcsco

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« Reply #321 on: December 30, 2008, 06:03:09 PM »
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« Reply #322 on: December 30, 2008, 06:04:06 PM »
Not in the real worldy buddy :)

I've seen 140lb. JKD guys take out 6"4 280lb. guys I've bounced with ,  one of these little guys must've hit my big buddy about 8 times in one second,  fast as fuck. And if they know WHERE to hit, yuou're fucked.



That's one punch per 0,125 second. Pretty fast.

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Re: do you think a normal guy could beat an mma fighter in a street fight
« Reply #323 on: December 30, 2008, 08:49:41 PM »
It trains you to fight a bigger guy with rules or with the understanding that the other person is not going to bite the shit out of you or gouge your eye out.  Let me put it to you this way.  I'd let ANY BJJ fighter get me in a lock or whatever of his choice.  I'll put my teeth on his ankle, arm, whatever,  There wil be a guy standing with a timer.  As soon as he hits start I'll bite whatever the hell I have ahold of in my mouth and he can try to break my arm, leg neck or whatever.  I guarantee you that no man is going to hold onto a lock or a choke when I've got a two inch chunk of bone deep flesh I just ripped out of his leg.  Look at the reaction of Evander Holyfield when Tyson bit his ear.  AND IT WAS JUST HIS EAR!  A piece of cartilage!  THAT"S MY POINT ABOUT BJJ!  If I jam my fucking thumb or ram my finger through his eye ball while he's got me wrapped up in some stupid lock GAME OVER!  That's the difference between fighting someone who wants to kill you vs. someone who wants to grapple with you.

I agree 100%.
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Re: do you think a normal guy could beat an mma fighter in a street fight
« Reply #324 on: December 30, 2008, 08:52:16 PM »
Email John Petrone.  Here's his myspace page tough ass.  Why don't you ask him about VAJ, bouncing, fighting, self defense, grappling with Ken Shamrock and the Gracies.  He walks the walk. 

http://www.myspace.com/vajcsco

is he bullet proof?