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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2009, 06:57:05 PM »
dude... oxymetholone was released in 1960...

i know, so were others but i have found them. :D
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #51 on: January 01, 2009, 07:13:10 PM »
any ideas on oxymetholone then ?

that does not make the AR theory invalid   ::)
well, yes it does, people think that after a certain dose, that all ar will be in use, however, its doesnt work like that. androgens bind for a very short while then they move on and bind t another, then they leave and bind to another. etc etc etc. untill they are metabolized by the body. the more ar the body has, the more work an androgen can do before it is metabolized. with increasing amounts of anddrogens, the body makes more ar.

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2009, 07:18:04 PM »
well, yes it does, people think that after a certain dose, that all ar will be in use, however, its doesnt work like that. androgens bind for a very short while then they move on and bind t another, then they leave and bind to another. etc etc etc. untill they are metabolized by the body. the more ar the body has, the more work an androgen can do before it is metabolized. with increasing amounts of anddrogens, the body makes more ar.

candy thats not what happens. if the compound doesn't bind to the AR it gets excreted via urine or feces.

thats why chemists invented esters, to avoids this waste.
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2009, 07:21:20 PM »
candy thats not what happens. if the compound doesn't bind to the AR it gets excreted via urine or feces.

thats why chemists invented esters, to avoids this waste.

hes an expert, watch your mouth convict  ::)
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2009, 07:23:56 PM »
candy thats not what happens. if the compound doesn't bind to the AR it gets excreted via urine or feces.

thats why chemists invented esters, to avoids this waste.
  its excactly what happens.

esters prolong the ability for a steroid to become active. steroid isnt active untill the ester is cleaved. then it starts to go to work. it moves trough the body..binding to ar then leaving then binding to another  ar untill its metabolized (this means it destroyed by the body...or also like you said it can be excreted too).

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #55 on: January 01, 2009, 07:25:24 PM »
  its excactly what happens.

esters prolong the ability for a steroid to become active. steroid isnt active untill the ester is cleaved. then it starts to go to work. it moves trough the body..binding to ar then leaving then binding to another  ar untill its metabolized (this means it destroyed by the body...or also like you said it can be excreted too).

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #56 on: January 01, 2009, 07:30:53 PM »
  its excactly what happens.

esters prolong the ability for a steroid to become active. steroid isnt active untill the ester is cleaved. then it starts to go to work. it moves trough the body..binding to ar then leaving then binding to another  ar untill its metabolized (this means it destroyed by the body...or also like you said it can be excreted too).

they don't bind to 1 then move off and bind to another, they lock, get used and are done.

the ones that don't bind get excreted. they don't hang about.
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #57 on: January 01, 2009, 07:32:09 PM »
they don't bind to 1 then move off and bind to another, they lock, get used and are done.

the ones that don't bind get excreted. they don't hang about.
no thats incorrect. how i explained it to you is accurate.

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #58 on: January 01, 2009, 07:32:52 PM »
no thats incorrect. how i explained it to you is accurate.
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2009, 07:45:57 PM »
Fatpanda you say you have the manufactoring process in the book? Post it up and I'll decipher it for you

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #60 on: January 01, 2009, 07:50:29 PM »
Fatpanda you say you have the manufactoring process in the book? Post it up and I'll decipher it for you

how
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #61 on: January 01, 2009, 07:51:25 PM »
I'm studying medicinal chemistry  ;)

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2009, 07:51:59 PM »
I'm studying medicinal chemistry  ;)

beautiful, can you elaborate bombs?
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2009, 07:52:52 PM »
Fatpanda you say you have the manufactoring process in the book? Post it up and I'll decipher it for you
cheers, give me a few mins.
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2009, 07:56:49 PM »
Procedure— Proceed as directed for Procedure under 'Single-steroid Assay 511' (see below), using a solvent system consisting of a mixture of benzene and alcohol (98:2), through the fourth sentence of the second paragraph under Procedure. Then centrifuge the tubes for 5 minutes, and determine the absorbances of the supernatants in 1-cm cells at the wavelength of maximum absorbance at about 315 nm, with a suitable spectrophotometer, against the blank. [NOTE—Use 0.01 N alcoholic sodium hydroxide, rather than alcohol, to elute the silica gel bands.] Calculate the quantity, in mg, of C21H32O3 in the portion of Oxymetholone taken by the formula:
10C(AU / AS), in which C is the concentration, in mg per mL, of USP Oxymetholone RS (see below) in the Standard preparation, and AU and AS are the absorbances of the solutions from the Assay preparation and the Standard preparation, respectively.


single-steroid assay 511 - In the following procedure, the steroid to be assayed is separated from related foreign steroids and excipients by thin-layer chromatography and determined following recovery from the chromatogram.

Preparation of the Plate— Prepare a slurry from 30 g of chromatographic silica gel with a suitable fluorescing substance by the gradual addition, with mixing, of about 65 mL of a mixture of water and alcohol (5:2). Transfer the slurry to a clean, 20- × 20-cm plate, spread to make a uniform layer 250 µm thick, and allow to dry at room temperature for 15 minutes. Heat the plate at 105 for 1 hour, and store in a desiccator.

Solvent A— Mix methylene chloride with methanol (180:16).

Solvent B— Mix chloroform with acetone (4:1).

Standard Preparation— Dissolve in a mixture of equal volumes of chloroform and alcohol a suitable quantity of the USP Reference Standard specified in the individual monograph, previously dried as directed (see USP Reference Standards 11) and accurately weighed, to obtain a solution having a known concentration of about 2 mg per mL.

Assay Preparation— Prepare as directed in the individual monograph.

Procedure— Divide the area of the chromatographic plate into three equal sections, the left and right sections to be used for the Assay Preparation and the Standard Preparation, respectively, and the center section for the blank. Apply 200 µL each of the Assay Preparation and the Standard Preparation as streaks 2.5 cm from the bottom of the appropriate section of the plate. Dry the solution as it is being applied, with the aid of a stream of air. Using the Solvent specified in the individual monograph, develop the chromatogram in a suitable chamber, previously equilibrated and lined with absorbent paper, until the solvent front has moved 15 cm above the initial streaks.
Remove the plate, evaporate the solvent, and locate the principal band occupied by the Standard Preparation by viewing under UV light. Mark this band, as well as corresponding bands in the Assay Preparation and blank sections of the plate. Remove the silica gel from each band separately, either by scraping onto glazed weighing papers or by using a suitable vacuum collecting device, and transfer it to a glass-stoppered, 50-mL centrifuge tube. To each tube add 25.0 mL of alcohol, and shake for not less than 2 minutes. Centrifuge the tubes for 5 minutes, pipet 20 mL of the supernatant from each tube into a glass-stoppered, 50-mL conical flask, add 2.0 mL of a solution prepared by dissolving 50 mg of blue tetrazolium in 10 mL of methanol, and mix. Proceed as directed for Procedure under Assay for Steroids 351, beginning with “Then to each flask.”

USP Oxymetholone RS— Dry portion in vacuum over phosphorus pentoxide for 4 hours before using. Keep container tightly closed.

is this what i'm after ?
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #65 on: January 01, 2009, 07:59:31 PM »
There's really not much to decipher there, you would need a well equiped lab to do some of that stuff, specifically the spectrophotometer...

What about it do you have trouble understanding? everything you need is there

edit: after close reading it a bit, it seems like it's a guide to test the mg/ml of oxy

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2009, 08:04:48 PM »
There's really not much to decipher there, you would need a well equiped lab to do some of that stuff, specifically the spectrophotometer...

What about it do you have trouble understanding? everything you need is there



i seems to me to be the correct means of producing oxymetholone - am i right?

thats all i need to know.

what i don't understand now, i will learn over the next few months.

thanks
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #67 on: January 01, 2009, 08:06:11 PM »
I'm not completly sure that is the whole procedure, that stuff is confusing even for me, but I think it is the right stuff

edit: to put the procedure there in more plain english basicly what they're doing is making a custom TLC plate where they have 2 solutions running up it... Then they scrape those two lines off and then they put them in two diffrent solutions and mix some of those two with a third solution and they you vacuum dry it together with phosphorus pentaoxide for 4 hours before you use the powder

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #68 on: January 01, 2009, 08:08:05 PM »
I'm not completly sure that is the whole procedure, that stuff is confusing even for me, but I think it is the right stuff

Whats the cost to produce 30 pills of eca (100/200/200) , always been trying to find out
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2009, 08:08:58 PM »
I'm not completly sure that is the whole procedure, that stuff is confusing even for me, but I think it is the right stuff

thanks for the info, it would be easier if i had the patent, but i found it in a pharmacopoeia, so it should be the correct way.

this chemistry stuff is hard :D

good luck with your studies.
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2009, 08:10:16 PM »
benz, no idea to be honest, I'm on my first year so I'm still just learning the basics here...

And thanks fatpanda :)

btw i edited my other post

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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #71 on: January 01, 2009, 08:10:53 PM »
thanks for the info, it would be easier if i had the patent, but i found it in a pharmacopoeia, so it should be the correct way.

this chemistry stuff is hard :D

good luck with your studies.
its not hard when you have access to the tests before you take them :)
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #72 on: January 01, 2009, 08:16:32 PM »
its not hard when you have access to the tests before you take them :)


i'm not sitting a course, just learning at home as a hobby.

have all the instructions i need to make every drug a bodybuilder needs and more, just need the knowhow, chemicals and some lab equipment. 8)

its probably easier just to buy the gear, but i have an unhealthy curiosity about this stuff.
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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #73 on: January 01, 2009, 08:20:44 PM »
making gear from scratch is impossible for the average joe(the esterification process can and will kill you without the right equipment) unless you have access to some of the more expensive lab gear... The university lab here is pretty bulky and I could easily make stuff here, but I would never get the green light to do it :p

Easier to just order chinese powders(probably underdosed or fake most of the time) and dissolve it in sterile oil and ba/bb


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Re: patent on oxymetholone
« Reply #74 on: January 01, 2009, 08:24:50 PM »
making gear from scratch is impossible for the average joe(the esterification process can and will kill you without the right equipment) unless you have access to some of the more expensive lab gear... The university lab here is pretty bulky and I could easily make stuff here, but I would never get the green light to do it :p

Easier to just order chinese powders(probably underdosed or fake most of the time) and dissolve it in sterile oil and ba/bb



you are probably right, but it annoys me that you do not know with 100% accuracy what you are buying.
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