Even more on the CIA pick

[MuscleMcMannus]

Dude.....I love u man but when did u become such a pussy...dammit. The folks we're talking about are like nothing u'd ever met. They aren't some big fuzzy teddybear types or some hollywood terrorists with famlies. These guys all suck, they'd knife u and eat ur kids. If waterboarding is the worst they get then good enough. The CIA does some very shady shit beyond waterboarding, thats in the best interest of this country. We can't have some guy that will cave to the left wing blogisphere or Code Pink. Things are a million times more dangerous as when the Clintons last had any power. If u start trying to through intel agenst into jail, either we'll suffer a major attack down the road from lack of information or the folks in charge will end up getting shot. Ur a CT guy, look what happend to Kennedy when he tried to mess with CIA and the MIC. I'm not saying they would, but a pissed off ex-employee or employee's just might. There are tons of trained SOF dudes floating around who would pull the trigger on a senator or gov employee for the right price. If 911 can happen, an assasination isn't outside the realm of possibility, even here.

when was the last time a US citizen was knifed by a terrorist on US soil?  LMAO!  More brainwashed rhetoric!!!!!!  I'd love to see muslims or any foreign invader come to US soil and start attacking US citizens.  They'd be shot dead in the streets and neighborhoods.  They can knife each other and blow each other up in their own countries.....why the fuck should we care?  Here's a question for you HH6......why hasn't there been ONE SINGLE FUCKING suicide bomber blowing themselves up in the US since 9/11 or hell I dont know in the last 200 years?  OH wait let me guess the CIA and NSA are just that good.  LMAO!  You're a stooge. 

[Eyeball Chambers]

I respect HH6, and I agree that the Constitution means nothing without our military (when it functions like it's suppose to, and defends the Constitution.)  I also agree 100% with MMM's last post. 

[tonymctones]

Do you support unethical government research projects where citizens are used as lab rats?

not at that was not my intentions only pointing out that unethical research yields the best results

[Eyeball Chambers]

not at that was not my intentions only pointing out that unethical research yields the best results

Oh 

[240 is Back]

yeah, the last 2 big attacks - 1993 WTC and 9/11 - were shady as shit.

The FBI snitch who got the FBI agent ON TAPE telling him where to park the truck, under the guise of a 'test'.
CBS and NY Times reported it.

And 911?  come on, there are now thousands of military, physicists, etc who have come fwd and called BS on the days' events.  Hell, even the 2 co-chairs (authors) of the 911 commission report say it needs re-investigated.


SO please, suck a big cawk before you take any credit for 'stopping' any big things, where there's a lot of fingers pointing at you for letting them happen.  STFU, seriously.  Only kids believe in fairy tales.

[headhuntersix]

i agree that people like that deserve to have their nuts in a vise.

KSM, OBL, etc - I'd dice em up myself then share a ham sandwich with you without even washing my hands

My point is that it only takes a penstroke for this practice to go from being used on guys with scary beards in caves, to used on political enemies, etc.  It was HUGE that torture is even A-okay with people in 2008.  In 1998, that shit was unheard of.  It took a lot of fear (hi, 911) to scare ppl into it. 

Clinton wasn't against rendition or torture and honestly who knows what the CIA was up to. There are organizations beyond CIA as u know...and there are small SOF organizations that nobody mentions as well. The CIA played all kinds of games until Carter reigned them in during the late 70's. He gutted many of the old cold warriors and the fear is now that Obama will do the same to the anti-terror folks.

[headhuntersix]

when was the last time a US citizen was knifed by a terrorist on US soil?  LMAO!  More brainwashed rhetoric!!!!!!  I'd love to see muslims or any foreign invader come to US soil and start attacking US citizens.  They'd be shot dead in the streets and neighborhoods.  They can knife each other and blow each other up in their own countries.....why the fuck should we care?  Here's a question for you HH6......why hasn't there been ONE SINGLE FUCKING suicide bomber blowing themselves up in the US since 9/11 or hell I dont know in the last 200 years?  OH wait let me guess the CIA and NSA are just that good.  LMAO!  You're a stooge. 

Well there, anri-terror and intell guru, there was a planned attack to take down the Brooklyn bridge. One of the guys we had was "tortured" and gave up the cell. The plan would have worked, thats one example of a foiled attack. Or how about the guys in Ohio that were going shoot up a mall.  U can't debate any of this crap with facts. U get ur lib news from the net and have no experience with what ur talking about. Ur an idiot. Atleast 240 mixes facts with a well thought out opinion and can intelligently defend his points, whether I happen to agree or not.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Well there, anri-terror and intell guru, there was a planned attack to take down the Brooklyn bridge. One of the guys we had was "tortured" and gave up the cell. The plan would have worked, thats one example of a foiled attack. Or how about the guys in Ohio that were going shoot up a mall.  U can't debate any of this crap with facts. U get ur lib news from the net and have no experience with what ur talking about. Ur an idiot. Atleast 240 mixes facts with a well thought out opinion and can intelligently defend his points, whether I happen to agree or not.

You didn't answer my question.  I'm not talking about big planned attacks.  I'm talking about some radical muslim strapping some bombs to his chest and blowing himself up in a crowded mall.  YOU KNOW HOW EASY THAT WOULD BE TO DO IN AMERICA?  Why hasn't it happened?  I mean hell ANYONE in this country could go raging mad and gun down anyone they want.  Why hasn't anything like that happened?  Because our government continues to stoke the fear of the American people.

[Soul Crusher]

Its because in a lot of areas in the USA, muslims dont fit in that well.  Where I live they do, but not in middle america.

I am surprised nothing has happened and have always thought that something like in Sum of All Fears would occur next.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Its because in a lot of areas in the USA, muslims dont fit in that well.  Where I live they do, but not in middle america.

I am surprised nothing has happened and have always thought that something like in Sum of All Fears would occur next.

You're missing my point.  There are probably MORE places where muslims can fit in than they can't.  I.e. major metropolitan areas.  My point is as a person living in America I could easily buy an automatic weapon, some materials to build a bomb and go to any mall or school and blow myself up and start a shooting rampage.  It's pretty damn easy.  Why hasn't it happened?  I'm not talking some suitcase nuke some of all fears scenario.  I'm talking some Virginia Techesque shooting?  You know why?  Because 9/11 has brainwashed most Americans into this terrorist phobia.  3/4 of all muslims living in America probably love their lives here in the USA.  The other 1/4 of muslims that would do something like that is the risk of living in a free society.  Because there are plenty of other crazy people in the USA that have done similiar things aka the LA bank robbers, school shooters etc. in the past few years.  We are a society that lives in a constant state of fear...moreso than any other time in our country.  And we are not any safer.  Ever wonder why that alert level red, orange, yellow..........etc. went away?  Hahah that was such a joke. 

What some nutjob does in Mumbai or Gaza is none of our concern and until that shit starts happening here the war on terror is a scam. 

[Soul Crusher]

We want to avoid a Mumbai style attack, not have to respond to one after many people are killed. 

My personal belief is that many muslims who come to this country get comfortable in their lives, working, consuming, living, etc and realize that terrorism is just stupid and not worth it. 

They sort of get caught in the rat race like the rest of us and dont have time to worry about blowing themselves up. 

That is the main problem in a lot of these arab countries.  They dont promote business and economy and let these crazy people breed like the plague. 

They always say, an idle mind always gets in trouble.

[MuscleMcMannus]

We want to avoid a Mumbai style attack, not have to respond to one after many people are killed. 

My personal belief is that many muslims who come to this country get comfortable in their lives, working, consuming, living, etc and realize that terrorism is just stupid and not worth it. 

They sort of get caught in the rat race like the rest of us and dont have time to worry about blowing themselves up. 

That is the main problem in a lot of these arab countries.  They dont promote business and economy and let these crazy people breed like the plague. 

They always say, an idle mind always gets in trouble.

   Capitalism the answer to all the world's problems right?  Terrorism and the plight of the middle east is WAY more complicated than "business and economics".  The problems of terrorism and the middle east are far more complicated than simple economics.  You'd have a better argument if you said we should bring Christianity to Muslims instead of "business". 

[Soul Crusher]

  Capitalism the answer to all the world's problems right?  Terrorism and the plight of the middle east is WAY more complicated than "business and economics".  The problems of terrorism and the middle east are far more complicated than simple economics.  You'd have a better argument if you said we should bring Christianity to Muslims instead of "business". 

When people work and earn a decent living and are able to provide for their familes with stable jobs, I have to assume that in general they are not as apt to want to blow themselves up.

 

[MuscleMcMannus]

When people work and earn a decent living and are able to provide for their familes with stable jobs, I have to assume that in general they are not as apt to want to blow themselves up.

 

This is your assumption.  There is no proof for this.  Who do you think is funding terrorism?  Poor shopkeepers who are saving all their money so they can buy an Apple Iphone or Britney's latest CD?  The Mumbai attackers, those behind 9/11, those behind the train bombings of Spain and England were not poor nor uneducated.  Like I said terrorism really didn't exist 200 years ago.  Trouble finds those who go out looking or it.  When you try to police the entire world you're going to run into people who don't like you or your way of life.  Trying to McDonaldize the rest of the world will get us nowhere as a country.  You can't force democracy and capitalism on people.  Like everything else in life people have to figure it out for themselves.  Back to my point.....except for our commercial interests abroad why do we care if muslims are blowing up each other in their countries as long as they don't do it here?  The entire problem is our entire economy and standard of living in the USA is reliant on our worldwide empire and if you don't think an empire is what we are well...history will soon tell us differently. 

[Soul Crusher]

OIL OIL OIL OIL. 

Unless we are :

1.  Willing to drill our own oil.
2.  Find a viable alternative that delivers the same bang for the buck.


We will be involved over there.

I think personally we should do both find more of our own oil and seek alternatives.  There is no alternative as of this date that is as efficient as oil at the time being.   

[MuscleMcMannus]

OIL OIL OIL OIL. 

Unless we are :

1.  Willing to drill our own oil.
2.  Find a viable alternative that delivers the same bang for the buck.


We will be involved over there.

I think personally we should do both find more of our own oil and seek alternatives.  There is no alternative as of this date that is as efficient as oil at the time being.   

There are PLENTY of viable alternatives that get the cock block.  You do realize the grip the petroleum industry has on our country?  How many politicians, senators, Governors, ex Presidents have money or ties to big oil?  It's a joke man!  Why do you think there hasn't been a major breakthrough in public transportation i.e. a high speed bullet train that could take you from California to NYC in a day for half the price of an airline ticket?  LOBBYISTS.....from the airline industry, automobile industry you name it.  Everyone is looking out for their ass in the US......while the collective country remains divided and inefficient in many areas. 

[Soul Crusher]

There are PLENTY of viable alternatives that get the cock block.  You do realize the grip the petroleum industry has on our country?  How many politicians, senators, Governors, ex Presidents have money or ties to big oil?  It's a joke man!  Why do you think there hasn't been a major breakthrough in public transportation i.e. a high speed bullet train that could take you from California to NYC in a day for half the price of an airline ticket?  LOBBYISTS.....from the airline industry, automobile industry you name it.  Everyone is looking out for their ass in the US......while the collective country remains divided and inefficient in many areas. 

Ok.  Tell me the alternative we can have to oil that will do all the same stuff for the same price?

[MuscleMcMannus]

Ok.  Tell me the alternative we can have to oil that will do all the same stuff for the same price?

Well the biggest clamor for oil is due to energy reliance.  We have nuclear power, we have wind, solar, etc.  All these combined can more than power our cars, houses, etc.  But at the same time people are going to have to be conservation minded as well and yes for a while until the industry takes off things will be expensive and people will have to sacrifice.  Not everyone owned a car or a tv when they first came out.  But you are right and what most people don't realize is that we live in a petroleum based economy..........EVERYTH ING nowadays is PLASTIC.  There is so much shit made from oil.....but all you hear about is oil and energy.  I'm not saying alternative sources will change forever our reliance on oil.  But when it comes to energy we have plenty of alternatives.  But there are lots of road blocks in the form of special interest that are preventing the innovation and creative necessary for them to be initiated.  Look at car technology and the Tesla Roadster.  This technology existed over 50 years ago.  Research Nikola Tesla and you'll see.  The Tesla roadster is expensive now....far out of reach for most people but like I said so were tvs and cars a hundred and fifty years ago. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

I have yet to be able to find it maybe you can........but I'd be interested to see how much of a barrel of oil goes to gasoline and energy vs. petroleum products.  ?

[headhuntersix]

Well the biggest clamor for oil is due to energy reliance.  We have nuclear power, we have wind, solar, etc.  All these combined can more than power our cars, houses, etc.  But at the same time people are going to have to be conservation minded as well and yes for a while until the industry takes off things will be expensive and people will have to sacrifice.  Not everyone owned a car or a tv when they first came out.  But you are right and what most people don't realize is that we live in a petroleum based economy..........EVERYTH ING nowadays is PLASTIC.  There is so much shit made from oil.....but all you hear about is oil and energy.  I'm not saying alternative sources will change forever our reliance on oil.  But when it comes to energy we have plenty of alternatives.  But there are lots of road blocks in the form of special interest that are preventing the innovation and creative necessary for them to be initiated.  Look at car technology and the Tesla Roadster.  This technology existed over 50 years ago.  Research Nikola Tesla and you'll see.  The Tesla roadster is expensive now....far out of reach for most people but like I said so were tvs and cars a hundred and fifty years ago. 

If, coulda woulda shoulda, maybe I hope...all bullshit we have oil now. If somebody comes along and produces a better, cheaper, safer product we'll all use it. If an American can make a profit off of it, we'll invent it and get it on the shelf.  Until that time the arabs have the oil and they don't play nice. So we will do whats in our strategic best interest to secure that oil, be it diplomancy, torture, war, whatever. We'll do what we have to control trade routes, starve or feed people, kill, maim or build schools.This is the real world, not ur world of fantasy electric cars, gumdrop kisses and chocolate rivers. .

[MuscleMcMannus]

If, coulda woulda shoulda, maybe I hope...all bullshit we have oil now. If somebody comes along and produces a better, cheaper, safer product we'll all use it. If an American can make a profit off of it, we'll invent it and get it on the shelf.  Until that time the arabs have the oil and they don't play nice. So we will do whats in our strategic best interest to secure that oil, be it diplomancy, torture, war, whatever. We'll do what we have to control trade routes, starve or feed people, kill, maim or build schools.This is the real world, not ur world of fantasy electric cars, gumdrop kisses and chocolate rivers. .

blah blah blah!  Same old rhetoric.  What's funny is the way USA is going your kids or grand kids are going to be on the shit end of the next Superpower stick.  Middle Eastern countries WILL have nuclear weapons in the next 20-50 years.  By that time America will have long ceased being an Empire and superpower.  It's inevitable.  All empires come to an end.  I'm sure you would have fit in quite well in the Roman Army. 

[Fury]

blah blah blah!  Same old rhetoric.  What's funny is the way USA is going your kids or grand kids are going to be on the shit end of the next Superpower stick.  Middle Eastern countries WILL have nuclear weapons in the next 20-50 years.  By that time America will have long ceased being an Empire and superpower.  It's inevitable.  All empires come to an end.  I'm sure you would have fit in quite well in the Roman Army. 

How do you reckon they're going to do this? With the oil money? Sorry pal, the oil is running out and the day is fast coming when the middle east will be nothing but a pile of sand with no value. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

How do you reckon they're going to do this? With the oil money? Sorry pal, the oil is running out and the day is fast coming when the middle east will be nothing but a pile of sand with no value. 

The oil is running out?     There is a  ton of oil left in the middle east.  But that's besides the point.  That has nothing to do with nuclear technology.  Russia has it, China has it.  Nothing is preventing them from selling it, sharing it, and giving it to our worst enemies.  But like your butt buddy HH6 you'd probably argue no problem......America can take on the entire world!  LMAO! 

[Soul Crusher]

The oil is running out?     There is a  ton of oil left in the middle east.  But that's besides the point.  That has nothing to do with nuclear technology.  Russia has it, China has it.  Nothing is preventing them from selling it, sharing it, and giving it to our worst enemies.  But like your butt buddy HH6 you'd probably argue no problem......America can take on the entire world!  LMAO! 

I am all for Nuclear power, but guess who in this nation is largest group blocking it . . . . . ?

The enviro-wack jobs. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

I am all for Nuclear power, but guess who in this nation is largest group blocking it . . . . . ?

The enviro-wack jobs. 

Yeah and they have good reason to since we are talking RADIOACTIVE WASTE.  Until our government and private corporations learn to man the fuck up and hold themselves accountable.  We can't even deal with toxic coal waste how are we going to trust our government or companies to deal with nuclear waste responsibly?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090109/ap_on_go_ot/coal_ash