Question for Bob Chick

[Van_Bilderass]

Bob, is this guy lying?

There is no middle ground with Tom, you either love him or hate him. I came on this board when it first started and loved it. Tom definatley had his opinions but guess what he stuck with them and i have to respect that.

After about a year on the board I hired him to help me with a show. Tom was awesome when we first started working together. I learned a lot about simplicity of training and dieting. As he would say KISS. The cycles he set me on was not very complicated and to most internet drug gurus would fly in the face of reason. However I felt great on them. As far as our talks about drugs tom was very honest and upfront. Were they 5 grams / week....No he said the most he used was 1500 mg of Test + 800 mg of Deca and sometimes another drug in addition. The only thing that scared the living shit out of me was the use of CLen and Ephedrine. 500 mcg of CLenbuterol was typical while dieting. 250 mg of Ephedrine.

When I started my diet for that show he initially wanted me to use 100 mg of Ephedrine to start off at. Knowing I had not used any stims in a long time and that 25 mg of ephedrine got me going I protested. So we started at 25 and by week 4 were up to 100 mg / day. Not long after that I tore my knee up pretty bad in an accident and had to stop all training. Needless to say he was pissed and his "good nature" went to that of being an asshole. We ended on a sour note.

He is a nice guy but definatley has trouble with anger managment i'm guessing. Was it the drugs that ended his career. Sure absolutely but It probably wasn't the AAS. It was the Stimulates and Advil that caused his demise.

http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showpost.php?p=925551&postcount=38

[The GodFather]

BOBS THE LIAR

[wolfgang187]

RENAL FAILURE - LOOK IT UP IF U DON'T KNOW DIP SHITS

[Van_Bilderass]

absolute bullshit on week 15 and 16

the rest..eh..whatever..he can claim what he likes to...  but no gear last two weeks before a show? hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha

I don't think it's necessarily BS. But Bob is also wrong that only a fool would take steroids the last couple of weeks. Depends on what you've been running.

[The GodFather]

Have you seen a recent Pic of Tommie Boy Prince Fukka is HUGE.Just goes to show Drugs do work once you have good gains those gains are there for life baby.BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

[Mark Kerr]

Have you seen a recent Pic of Tommie Boy Prince Fukka is HUGE.Just goes to show Drugs do work once you have good gains those gains are there for life baby.BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

When you come off the drugs, the gains go away.

[honest]

I would seriously hate to see the physiques on all the retards here who call bullshit on cycles like that, all you experts who weigh 190 on 10 grams of test a week, who all know this guy who trained with this other guy and this is what they do, Keep calling bullshit on every reasonable dosage claim, its will be easier to call bullshit on the truth than accept your a genetic failure. That cycle is closer to 90% of what pros take than what GH15 would say, GH 15 opinions represnt a small lunatic fringe of bodybuilders, who like him never got anywhere, by trying to overcome average non pro genetics with mgs, just doesnt happen.

[underthestar]

I would seriously hate to see the physiques on all the retards here who call bullshit on cycles like that, all you experts who weigh 190 on 10 grams of test a week, who all know this guy who trained with this other guy and this is what they do, Keep calling bullshit on every reasonable dosage claim, its will be easier to call bullshit on the truth than accept your a genetic failure. That cycle is closer to 90% of what pros take than what GH15 would say, GH 15 opinions represnt a small lunatic fringe of bodybuilders, who like him never got anywhere, by trying to overcome average non pro genetics with mgs, just doesnt happen.

Very well said!

[webcake]

Very well said!

1st post meltdown.....

[io856]

I would seriously hate to see the physiques on all the retards here who call bullshit on cycles like that, all you experts who weigh 190 on 10 grams of test a week, who all know this guy who trained with this other guy and this is what they do, Keep calling bullshit on every reasonable dosage claim, its will be easier to call bullshit on the truth than accept your a genetic failure. That cycle is closer to 90% of what pros take than what GH15 would say, GH 15 opinions represnt a small lunatic fringe of bodybuilders, who like him never got anywhere, by trying to overcome average non pro genetics with mgs, just doesnt happen.

[Van_Bilderass]

I would seriously hate to see the physiques on all the retards here who call bullshit on cycles like that, all you experts who weigh 190 on 10 grams of test a week, who all know this guy who trained with this other guy and this is what they do, Keep calling bullshit on every reasonable dosage claim, its will be easier to call bullshit on the truth than accept your a genetic failure. That cycle is closer to 90% of what pros take than what GH15 would say, GH 15 opinions represnt a small lunatic fringe of bodybuilders, who like him never got anywhere, by trying to overcome average non pro genetics with mgs, just doesnt happen.

What do you think of Disgusted's (Magnum) posts here?

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16369&page=5

Not every pro does 5 grams and 20 ius of GH, but like I said the range is from 3 to 7 and GH is around 6 to 19, 19 being the highest a top 6 pro has ever admitted to me.

Doggcrapp, I have zero idea why you would ever believe someone like Tom Prince!! He was one of the biggest abusers ever! In fact a good friend of mine walked into his room I believe at that 2001 NOC and he said the room was all dark and there were what looked like dozens of used needles all over the bed and dresser. The guy had a huge nubain addiction. If you really believe this cycle he wrote then it pisses me off cause someone is pulling the wool over your eyes.

I admire anyone who can get in shape and win a show, but it is what it is. What I hate to see most is someone telling a guy that he can never be pro cause he has bad genetics all the while the guy that is telling him is 280 and on 4000 mgs a week and acting like he is something special. That F#$*(ing pisses me off!!!!

This is a fictitious cycle so stop trying to figure it out.

 

[honest]

I havent read to many of disgusteds posts, i agree with what ive read of his with regards to insulin in most cases, im not trying to outdo anyone, without getting into what ive done or havent done in the sport or who might know or might not know, i just feel theres a huge misconception that if your huge you have to be on unrealistic amounts.
We all know guys taking shitloads, the old an amp of sust daily, some two of them along with 20ius daily of HGH, but in my experiance the biggest abusers have always been the amateurs and the third tier pros, who are always trying to overcome genetic limitation with larger amounts of drugs.

[Schmoe Buster]

Bob and Tom

[honest]

The best bodybuilding drug ever made was oxymentholone, i believe the biggest misconception in gear use is the overuse of test especially UG test if you have  access to pharmecuetical grade test you wont need more than 1500mgs per week and using more than that your just increasing the side effects.
With regards to Disgusteds view on anabolics as opposed to androgens, i have a different point of view from my own bloodwork and experiance, i found that my body got better results from a higher androgenic to anabolic ratio, High doses of boldenone or deca also gave me higher RBC counts than when using test mg for mg or even at a level of test at 2 to 1 anabolic.
I also have found that anabolics work better with endomorphs and endomesomorphs, in my experiance an Ectomorph or ectomesomorph needs a higher ratio of androgens to anabolics. Pure mesomorphs can grow on anything  in my experiance.
Endomorphs and endomesomorphs  high anabolic to low androgenic ( 75 to 25 approx )
Mesomorphs medium anabolic medium androgenic ( 50 to 50 )
Ectomorphs to Ectomesomorphs high androgen to low anabolic.  (75 to 25 approx )
This is only my point of view with regards to my experiance, others may and will be different.
All high androgenic drugs are also usually highly anabolic but what im getting at is levels of deca or boldenone to a form of test as the androgen with regards to body types.

[Van_Bilderass]

I havent read to many of disgusteds posts, i agree with what ive read of his with regards to insulin in most cases, im not trying to outdo anyone, without getting into what ive done or havent done in the sport or who might know or might not know, i just feel theres a huge misconception that if your huge you have to be on unrealistic amounts.
We all know guys taking shitloads, the old an amp of sust daily, some two of them along with 20ius daily of HGH, but in my experiance the biggest abusers have always been the amateurs and the third tier pros, who are always trying to overcome genetic limitation with larger amounts of drugs.

So in your opinion someone like Kamali is an abuser but Prince is honest and was using much smaller amounts? 

Now from looking at King i would say, he doesn't downsize to much so max 6 to 8 week break if any, don't believe anything he says, believe me pros can even lie to themselves, so throw in one off season course as well, average 10iu jins day plus 1 to 2 amps sust with insulin say 12 weeks 84 days at say a $100 per day. So $8400   

[honest]

  Yes Prince may look very different now, but genetically hes on a different level to Kamali.

[alnassak]

Bob is a kind respectable guy and you should be happy because he replies and answers all of your questions always. 

I am glad since he is the Rep of the IFBB Athletes and he deserves to be the Rep of all Bodybuilders in the planet. 

Best of luck Bob   

[Schmoe Buster]

Bob is a kind respectable guy and you should be happy because he replies and answers all of your questions always. 

I am glad since he is the Rep of the IFBB Athletes and he deserves to be the Rep of all Bodybuilders in the planet. 

Best of luck Bob   

Hi Bob

[Chick]

Bob, is this guy lying?

http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showpost.php?p=925551&postcount=38

How the hell would I know?

[Mars]

How the hell would I know?

great post.

[Moen]

One thing you have to consider is that is easier to maintain muscle on certain low dose X than it is to actually build it on certain low dose X. It's only the guys that "grow into a show" that have to resort to high doses precontest.

To put it another way, don't you guys think Prince could hold on to his muscle mass (and only that) on 2 grams of gear a week?

[Van_Bilderass]

How the hell would I know?

Well, reading this thread it sounded like you "knew" exactly what TP did. 

But whatever, this shit is getting old. 

I apply this to all bodybuilders:

don't believe anything he says, believe me pros can even lie to themselves,

[Chick]

Well, reading this thread it sounded like you "knew" exactly what TP did. 

But whatever, this shit is getting old. 

I apply this to all bodybuilders:

So, I'm supposed to know the interactions between him and some anonymous guy telling a story on the internet??

[QuakerOats]

So, I'm supposed to know the interactions between him and some anonymous guy telling a story on the internet??

maybe "van bilderass" thinks you have ESP Bob.

[Van_Bilderass]

So, I'm supposed to know the interactions between him and some anonymous guy telling a story on the internet??

No, but since you know exactly what Tom did and didn't do you should be able to tell if that post was definitely BS. But whatever...