War on Drugs...A vote.

[liberalismo]

I want to get a general idea of who here supports and who opposes the war on drugs. I'm going to list several notable illegal drugs and I want everyone to tell me whether or not they believe that they should available for recreational purposes (without prescription) to adults.
A simple "Yes" or "No" after each drug listed. If you want to give details, be brief.





Should Marijuana be available to adults without a prescription? Yes or No?

Anabolic Steroids?

Opium?

Pain killers?

LSD?

Alcohol?

Nicotine?

Cocaine?

Coca leaves (not processed into Cocaine)?

Hallucinogenic plants?

Psychoactive plants beside marijuana, coca and poppy?

Heroin?

Human Growth hormone?

[Eyeball Chambers]

If people can go to their "Dr." and get drugs that are dangerous, (Oxycontin, etc...) than they should be able to get drugs like Marijuana.

The war on Drugs is a huge waste...

Who's the guy in your avatar?

[liberalismo]

Who's the guy in your avatar?

Some old guy. 

[JOHN MATRIX]

the 'war on drugs' has been one of the most wasteful, futile, destructive things in mankinds history.
legalize all that shit, we will see a brief spike in usage, then the novelty will soon wear off and then usage will decline dramatically in the long run, cartels/gangs/gang violence etc.. will lose power overnight, violence will decrease throughout latin america, governents will stabilize, the US wont spend billions on efforts to stop harmless things like weed, millions of kids wont face prison for harmless things, fewer cops will get killed, robberies/violent crime will decrease, the list goes on and on.

[liberalismo]

It's a vote. Put "yes" or "no" next to the drugs listed.

[JOHN MATRIX]

It's a vote. Put "yes" or "no" next to the drugs listed.

I PUT WHATEVER I WANT WHEREEVR I WANT

[Eyeball Chambers]

It's a vote. Put "yes" or "no" next to the drugs listed.

I just really don't know the answer.

From what I've seen more people are hurt by prescription drugs and alcohol than stuff like Marijuana though.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Nah, I think we should  continue the hypocritical stance of allowing people to get plasterd on booze and get cancer from cigarettes, while banning everything else.

[Dan-O]

I don't know if I have a definite opinion on every one of those drugs but I wouldn't necessarily lump them all together.

Cocaine--probably shouldn't be legal.  LSD and heroin, I dunno, probably also not.  Pot--probably should, as should steroids.

But I would have to agree with Bindare_Dundat about alcohol and tobacco--legal or not, they've destroyed far more lives than many of the illegal drugs mentioned.

The older I get the more I see that the war on drugs is a losing battle and it seems more prudent to legalize some or all of them and let them fall under the same gov't regulations as do tobacco and alcohol.

[BM OUT]

All should be legal as long as drinking and smoking are legal.

[Hedgehog]

I want to get a general idea of who here supports and who opposes the war on drugs. I'm going to list several notable illegal drugs and I want everyone to tell me whether or not they believe that they should available for recreational purposes (without prescription) to adults.
A simple "Yes" or "No" after each drug listed. If you want to give details, be brief.





Should Marijuana be available to adults without a prescription? Yes or No? No

Anabolic Steroids? No

Opium? No

Pain killers? Yes, however stronger dosages should be under prescription as well as those who causes addiction

LSD? No

Alcohol? Yes.

Nicotine? No.

Cocaine? No

Coca leaves (not processed into Cocaine)? No

Hallucinogenic plants? No

Psychoactive plants beside marijuana, coca and poppy? No

Heroin? No

Human Growth hormone? No

I definitely would like to see tobacco made illegal, as that has caused a lot of pain for many people.

[Cap]

No, to everything but alcohol but I believe that guys should be able to get steroids and HGH just as easily as botox, lipo and all the other shit that women do.  It's the same thing and if it's under Dr. supervision then they are really not doing any harm to the human body...not like heroin and all the other drugs.

[shootfighter1]

First, the war on drugs have been a big waste of $ overall.

Should Marijuana be available to adults without a prescription?  Yes, but penalties for driving or working under the influence.  Treat exactly like alcohol.

Anabolic Steroids?  Yes, by Rx from a doctor.  I am ok with them being illegal but never a felony or jail time.  Thats absurd.  Misdemenor only.

Opium?  No, not pure opium.  We have opium based narcotics already prescribed

Pain killers?  Only by prescription.

LSD?  No, never

Alcohol?  Yes, current laws are acceptible.

Nicotine? Yes, current laws are acceptible

Cocaine? No, never.  (there are better vasoconstrictors)

Coca leaves (not processed into Cocaine)?  I'm not sure of the effects and differences from cocaine.

Hallucinogenic plants?  No

Psychoactive plants beside marijuana, coca and poppy?  No

Heroin?  No

Human Growth hormone?  Yes, via Rx (and they need to let doctors do more research on low dose use for healing complicated ortho injuries).  If possession outside of a Rx, should be a misdemenor.

[Fury]

I want to get a general idea of who here supports and who opposes the war on drugs. I'm going to list several notable illegal drugs and I want everyone to tell me whether or not they believe that they should available for recreational purposes (without prescription) to adults.
A simple "Yes" or "No" after each drug listed. If you want to give details, be brief.





Should Marijuana be available to adults without a prescription? Yes or No? Yes.

Anabolic Steroids? Yes.

Opium? No.

Pain killers? No. Only by Rx.

LSD? Nope.

Alcohol? Yes.

Nicotine? Yes.

Cocaine? No.

Coca leaves (not processed into Cocaine)? No.

Hallucinogenic plants? No.

Psychoactive plants beside marijuana, coca and poppy? No.

Heroin? No.

Human Growth hormone? Yes.

I'm all for letting people kill themselves through smoking, drinking or whatever. Weed should be legalized as it's really not much different from the others. However, I think we'd be seeing an increase in road fatalities if all these drugs were legalized. I know my reaction time is severely limited when I'm high. I don't need some cracked out junkie smashing head on into me.

[shootfighter1]

I don't think road fatalities would be increased much.  The people that smoke pot more than on a rare occasion probably drive anyway.  People that would use rarely are probably responsible enough not to drive.
We need a roadside THC test like the breath alcohol test.  If we had that, I'll bet legalizing pot would be easier.  Personally, I don't care cause I don't smoke pot, but it is no more dangerous than alcohol...probably less dangerous overall.

[JOHN MATRIX]

like i said you would see an initial spike in accidents as use of these formerly illegal drugs spikes at first due to them being a newly available novelty...at first people would buy some cocaine at wallmart just to try it, just because they can, etc..but in the long term use of the bad stuff would drop off to a tiny fringe of sick people and accidents would actually decrease below current levels probably.
its like alcohol in europe; its always available to people, so kids dont grow up thinking its 'cool' waiting till they get old enough then go crazy binge drink and drive everywhere. alcohol ABUSE is much more common especially among youths in america than in europe because over there they grow up used to it and its not really a big deal, i think the same thing would apply to other more hardcore drugs, if legal it would remove the 'glamorous/rebellious/dangerously appealing' aspect of them and they would become viewed as dirty and stupid and thjose who used would be looked down upon instead of glamorized.

[OzmO]

Should Marijuana be available to adults without a prescription? Yes or No?   "YES

Anabolic Steroids?  NO

Opium?   NO

Pain killers?  NO

LSD? NO

Alcohol?  YES

Nicotine?  YES

Cocaine?   NO

Coca leaves (not processed into Cocaine)?   NO

Hallucinogenic plants?  NO

Psychoactive plants beside marijuana, coca and poppy?   NO

Heroin?  NO

Human Growth hormone?   YES

You forgot Crank/Meth?   NO

All the ones i said should be illegal should carry far stiffer and severe penalties for use, sale and distribution.

All the ones i said should be legal should carry stiffer penalties for driving under the influence (except cigs, HGH) with a very severe penalty for 2nd offenses in a 1 year time period

Also, except for beer, there should be ZERO advertising allowed in any type of media.

[shootfighter1]

The fact that HGH is treated like a criminal activity is absurd.  We restrict substances mostly because they pose significant danger to the user or to others around the user.  I guess there are some psychoactive properties of anabolic steroids but not for HGH.  Besides the theoretical increased risk of cancer at high doses, there are no major issues and certainly no criminal related issues with HGH... at all.  It doesn't effect behavior and if anything mildly increases well-being if used as replacement in individuals who are deficient.

[MRDUMPLING]

I understand the mind altering substances...but why are so many of you against steroids without a 'script?  Why shouldn't a grown man be able to go to the pharmacy and ask for a bottle of test?  I think that is how it should be controlled.  Tax it, and keep it under lock and key, and also no media advertising.  What's the difference between steroids and alcohol or nicotine?  Seems kind of hypocritical.  Just my .02

[Fury]

I don't think road fatalities would be increased much.  The people that smoke pot more than on a rare occasion probably drive anyway.  People that would use rarely are probably responsible enough not to drive.
We need a roadside THC test like the breath alcohol test.  If we had that, I'll bet legalizing pot would be easier.  Personally, I don't care cause I don't smoke pot, but it is no more dangerous than alcohol...probably less dangerous overall.

I was referring more towards the coke heads and people on psychedelic drugs driving. There's a picture of some retards driving through a crowd of bicyclists in Mexico after a weekend long coke and booze binge. Bodies flying everywhere.

[JOHN MATRIX]

I was referring more towards the coke heads and people on psychedelic drugs driving. There's a picture of some retards driving through a crowd of bicyclists in Mexico after a weekend long coke and booze binge. Bodies flying everywhere.

haha link to the vid?

[Fury]

haha link to the vid?

I've never seen a video but here's a picture of it happening.



Think 1 or 2 people ended up dying.

[liberalismo]

The PROBLEM I see in this thread is that people tend to want the drugs that they use legal but the drugs that they have never used or know nothing about to remain illegal.



LSD is in fact non-toxic and the only harm from it is due to accidents occuring from it. It has a lot of potential for psychological or psychotherapy uses. It increases insight and can induce religious experiencs in people. All of this and it should be illegal...Why? Because some people might abuse it and cause accidents while using it?


Coca leaves are in fact quite mild compared to Cocaine. The ancient INCAs have been using it for literally centuries before Europeans ever came. They chewed it or brewed it into coffee to improve their mood, give them energy, etc. The addiction rate for Coca chewing is essentially nil, and you don't see any Incan crackheads.

Poppy is already used and, while being illegal, is almost never enforced. Opium Poppy is grown for cooking and decorations, and any opium produced from it is generally very mild compared to synthesized or purified forms such as Morphine.


Psychoactive plants would include Coffee, Ephedra, Betel nut, Ephedra, Khat, Tobacco, Kava Kava, Guarana (used in many energy drinks), Salvia Divinorum, Etc. NONE of these plants have any real harmful effects except for Tobacco. People generally get paranoid when the word "Psychoactive" is brought up but this is only because they are ignorant of its meaning. Essentially ALL psychoactive plants have little harmful side effects and small potential for abuse if used as they are.

HGH should be available to anyone as long as a doctor is present. Medical or not. Same with Steroids.



Remember...People have the right to put WHATEVER they want into their bodies as long as it does not NECESSARILY harm anyone else. The fact that it "might" cause harm for bystanders is not a just cause to rob people of their free will to ingest whatever they want however they want.





Ab abusu ad usum non valet consequentia!

Inferences regarding something's use from its misuse are invalid. Rights abused are still rights.

[big L dawg]

they should all be legal.has them being illegal stopped the ones that chose to use them from doing so?

[liberalismo]

For the record...Everything I listed should be legal.

Problems will indeed arise from them being legal, but more problems exist from them being illegal. If you don't want someone to use a substance, outlawing it is the WORST thing that can be done. Prohibition taught us that.

Some people never learn form history.