can someone please tell me why 200g's of protein is better than 100?

[boonstack]

Eating more protein does not mean your body can use it. anything excess turns to fat. Nobody here argues eat tons of carbs, because extra carbs = fat. SO DOES PROTEIN. And you SHOULD eat tons of carbs! You people eating 30-40g's of protein every 2.5 hours for 7 meals a day and starving yourselves of the many benefits of complex carbs just dont get it.

here is something you should know: there are over 30,000 published diets. Seriously. If ANY of the diets worked there would be no reason for the other 29,999 to exist. You should get your nutritional information from science, not muscular development articles written by ronnie coleman.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Eating more protein does not mean your body can use it. anything excess turns to fat. Nobody here argues eat tons of carbs, because extra carbs = fat. SO DOES PROTEIN. And you SHOULD eat tons of carbs! You people eating 30-40g's of protein every 2.5 hours for 7 meals a day and starving yourselves of the many benefits of complex carbs just dont get it.

here is something you should know: there are over 30,000 published diets. Seriously. If ANY of the diets worked there would be no reason for the other 29,999 to exist. You should get your nutritional information from science, not muscular development articles written by ronnie coleman.

Actually it's very difficult for carbohydrates to be converted to fat. 200 grams of protein is better then 100 because your body is using proteins for energy even in the presence of carbohydrates. There are always a trace amount of ketones floating through your blood.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

If i can attest to anything, it is that i know for a fact that high protein is good for maintain/ growing muscle. Just ask Adonis. He went on about 100 grams for a while and dropped down to 145.

[tbombz]

Eating more protein does not mean your body can use it. anything excess turns to fat. Nobody here argues eat tons of carbs, because extra carbs = fat. SO DOES PROTEIN. And you SHOULD eat tons of carbs! You people eating 30-40g's of protein every 2.5 hours for 7 meals a day and starving yourselves of the many benefits of complex carbs just dont get it.

here is something you should know: there are over 30,000 published diets. Seriously. If ANY of the diets worked there would be no reason for the other 29,999 to exist. You should get your nutritional information from science, not muscular development articles written by ronnie coleman.

your retarded and weve went over this before you stupid fuckwit

[flagadajones]

the whole world's population would be as huge as ronnie coleman if all these bullshits protein advices were true...

Any lifetime natural with years of experience under his belt knows it's all about training consistancy  and not even about your protein intakes.

You can build muscle from not eating proteins at all, eating some more might help but not half as much as people who sell em want you to believe.

[kiwiol]

Eating more protein does not mean your body can use it. anything excess turns to fat. Nobody here argues eat tons of carbs, because extra carbs = fat. SO DOES PROTEIN. And you SHOULD eat tons of carbs! You people eating 30-40g's of protein every 2.5 hours for 7 meals a day and starving yourselves of the many benefits of complex carbs just dont get it.

here is something you should know: there are over 30,000 published diets. Seriously. If ANY of the diets worked there would be no reason for the other 29,999 to exist. You should get your nutritional information from science, not muscular development articles written by ronnie coleman.

And you should stop bashing things you have no clue about. I think I've seen your pics and no offense, but you don't even look like you train. Taking 1.5 - 2 gm protein / lb of body weight makes a HUGE difference in the way you feel, your strength, your recovery and progress. Not everyone will respond to the same thing to the same degree. So maybe you aren't getting anything out of them, but I know tons of people who have experienced great results from ingesting more than 100 gm protein / day. There's no point in going through 30,000 studies to back up what you are saying when it's simply disproven for a lot of people from the results / gains they've attained with their own bodies.

[tbombz]

You can build muscle from not eating proteins at all,

                             

[kiwiol]

                             

Agreed. That's incredibly retarded.

how much does kiwiol consume?

I don't keep track of it to the nth degree, but I'd say around 300 gm / day. I weigh around 215 lb

[Wiggs]

Eating more protein does not mean your body can use it. anything excess turns to fat. Nobody here argues eat tons of carbs, because extra carbs = fat. SO DOES PROTEIN. And you SHOULD eat tons of carbs! You people eating 30-40g's of protein every 2.5 hours for 7 meals a day and starving yourselves of the many benefits of complex carbs just dont get it.

here is something you should know: there are over 30,000 published diets. Seriously. If ANY of the diets worked there would be no reason for the other 29,999 to exist. You should get your nutritional information from science, not muscular development articles written by ronnie coleman.

1. Excess protein does not turn into fat.  It is excreted from the body.
2. Excess complex carbs WILL make you fat.
3. Ronnie is not with MD
4. Ronnie was with Weider and the articles are ghost written.


Wiggs...Gh15 approved Golden Member

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I have a question

"1-2 grams protein per lb of bodyweight"

Am i right in thinking this statement refers to LEAN BODY MASS

rather than total bodyweight?

[kiwiol]

I have a question

"1-2 grams protein per lb of bodyweight"

Am i right in thinking this statement refers to LEAN BODY MASS

rather than total bodyweight?

Absolutely. It's lean body mass, not your actual body weight.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

1. Excess protein does not turn into fat.  It is excreted from the body. wrong
2. Excess complex carbs WILL make you fat. yes but very difficult
3. Ronnie is not with MD
4. Ronnie was with Weider and the articles are ghost written.


Wiggs...Gh15 approved Golden Member

[Boost]

Will simple sugars make u gain fat easier than complex carbs?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Will simple sugars make u gain fat easier than complex carbs?

Not sure... i just remember being taught in nutrition class that carbohydrates are difficult to store as fat.

[The Showstoppa]

Doesn't broomstick weigh about 125lbs?

[kiwiol]

Doesn't broomstick weigh about 125lbs?

Haha maybe if he's soaking wet. It's always the guys here who look like they've never picked up a weight that give out the most advice. But then again, he's got 30,000 studies to back up what he's saying

I like how they throw a random number like that that no one could possibly verify (not that it matters). If he'd spent a 10th of that time lifting weights, he'd find that his body does have an increased need for protein thanks to the workouts, so it can recover properly and get stronger in the process.

[Relentless]

1. Excess protein does not turn into fat.  It is excreted from the body.
2. Excess complex carbs WILL make you fat.
3. Ronnie is not with MD
4. Ronnie was with Weider and the articles are ghost written.


Wiggs...Gh15 approved Golden Member

Based off your pics, you don't know very much about nutrition Wiggs.  You are big in the wrong kind of way.

[kiwiol]

he said there are over 30,000 diets out there, which there are -- I do agree that he is a skinny anorexic looking pep squeek who hangs out at clubs
and probably spends friday afternoons pumping his 11 inch arms to get read for the show in the evening 

LOL! Point noted on the fact that it's 30,000 diets and not studies, but that doesn't change what I've said. There are other guys here who use the 'there are studies' line to back up what they are saying when they look no different than the average person in the street who has no knowledge or experience with lifting. My point is that philosophy is proven only by it's results, so if you are going to claim something or give out advice on how to improve one's physique, you better look the part, which will speak volumes, as opposed to using lame techniques like quoting studies, a lot of which are pure BS anyway.

I've done my share of lab work and I'm not the only one that knows for a fact that there are studies out there on the same topic that contradict each other in regards to what they claim and prove / disprove. So it's better to simply try things out with your own body to see what works and what doesn't work for you. That being said, there are more cases out there that show that ingesting more protein when exercising has beneficial results than there are cases that prove otherwise.

[flagadajones]

how do you explain that complete newbies who have no idea what a diet is and who eat maybe 30 to 50 grams of proteins a day build muscles just doing some biceps curls and bench press  then

even if they dont "eat the recommended official 2 grams of proteins per kilo per day" bullshit?   

Maybe because you dont need that much proteins and cause it's all and mainly about how and how often you train as a natural that defines the way you will shape and build your muscles...

Even without a daily consuption of 1 or 2 grams of proteins a day you would build muscle if you lift weights. Whatever what you eat.

"Ingesting more proteins daily might help", but at some point you reach a limit. For most, 1.2 or 1.6 grams of protein per kilo per day isnt even required.

"Ingesting more proteins daily might help" is the only conclusion of the real scientifical studies that have been done until now.

Fucking retards.

[Relentless]

Fucking retards.

Pure gold!

[tbombz]

how do you explain that complete newbies who have no idea what a diet is and who eat maybe 30 to 50 grams of proteins a day build muscles just doing some biceps curls and bench press  then

that is physiologically impossible to gain muscle eatign that...




boonstack !!!

let me explain

science says, rda says, a certain protein intake. about .65 g per kilo? i believe. and , in people who weight train, its actually lower. only about .5 g per kilo. and this is based onscience.

totally true.


but what are they saying ? they are saying that is the amount fo protein necessary per day in order to keep a nuetral nitrogen balance.

nitrogen balance is a key indicator of msucle gorwth or msucle loss.   the scientists recommend that amount of protein per day in order to avoid muscle loss in sedentray individuals, beause that process is very unhealthy and might even lead to death- over time. its malnutitrition.


no, how does one gain extra muscle? they need to have a positive nitrogen blance. 





there is you first step in understanding high protein intake for gaining mass.

[lovemonkey]

that is physiologically impossible to gain muscle eatign that...




boonstack !!!

let me explain

science says, rda says, a certain protein intake. about .65 g per kilo? i believe. and , in people who weight train, its actually lower. only about .5 g per kilo. and this is based onscience.

totally true.


but what are they saying ? they are saying that is the amount fo protein necessary per day in order to keep a nuetral nitrogen balance.

nitrogen balance is a key indicator of msucle gorwth or msucle loss.   the scientists recommend that amount of protein per day in order to avoid muscle loss in sedentray individuals, beause that process is very unhealthy and might even lead to death- over time. its malnutitrition.


no, how does one gain extra muscle? they need to have a positive nitrogen blance. 





there is you first step in understanding high protein intake for gaining mass.

What do you care, you're all drugs by now anyway...

[The Showstoppa]

Maybe coonsack, er broomstick, is one of those that don't want to "get too big?" hahaha

[boonstack]

And you should stop bashing things you have no clue about. I think I've seen your pics and no offense, but you don't even look like you train. Taking 1.5 - 2 gm protein / lb of body weight makes a HUGE difference in the way you feel, your strength, your recovery and progress. Not everyone will respond to the same thing to the same degree. So maybe you aren't getting anything out of them, but I know tons of people who have experienced great results from ingesting more than 100 gm protein / day. There's no point in going through 30,000 studies to back up what you are saying when it's simply disproven for a lot of people from the results / gains they've attained with their own bodies.

see, this is the shit i dont get. What  does "i know tons of people that did this" mean? What your "buddies" attest to has not jack shit to do with science or fact.

You are a prime example of what im talking about... the whole "well my friends say this" type of logic has no relevance here.

But before i even bother, why dont you tell me what you know about biochemistry and nutrition? 4 day nutrition workshop dont count.

Im guessing you also think a person should drink at least a galllon of water a day too also right?  

[The Showstoppa]

Should guys who weigh less than 150lbs even be allowed to post on getbig?