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« on: February 02, 2009, 12:27:34 AM »

What should a good t4 dosage be for fat loss on a cycle?

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 08:09:26 AM »

idk...t4 sucks.. its like taking androsetenedione while dieting to keep testosterone levels high..  just take t3... there is some kind of conversion ratio out there...but thats what the body has a natural conversion rate when its doing things naturally in a nomral environment...when dieting conversion slows ....
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2009, 08:18:14 AM »

idk...t4 sucks.. its like taking androsetenedione while dieting to keep testosterone levels high..  just take t3... there is some kind of conversion ratio out there...but thats what the body has a natural conversion rate when its doing things naturally in a nomral environment...when dieting conversion slows ....

tbombz, I understand, but can you plz suggest dosage.  I have used before @ around 400 mcg a day while on hgh, but I am not using hgh this time and just want to use it with AAS on cycle to lose fat.  So 300 mcg or 400 mcg = how many t3 do you know?  It is basically the same thing I don't think your andro reference is correct with it.  Both do the same thing, t4 just has to be converted.

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 09:46:08 AM »

tbombz, I understand, but can you plz suggest dosage.  I have used before @ around 400 mcg a day while on hgh, but I am not using hgh this time and just want to use it with AAS on cycle to lose fat.  So 300 mcg or 400 mcg = how many t3 do you know?  It is basically the same thing I don't think your andro reference is correct with it.  Both do the same thing, t4 just has to be converted.

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400mcg a day! WTF that is wayyyyy to much even for T4.  T4 is crappy by itself for fat loss.  T3 like Tbomz said is what you need.  Start with 25mcg/day and see how you do you can bump it up to 50mcg a day even 75 if you getting ready for a show.  T4 by itself like I said though for fatloss doesn't do much unless you have a pre-existing thyroid condition.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 10:56:54 AM »

T4 is not useless...

But, based on your dosage, it sounds like you were using liquid T4, which was probably very underdosed.  Be careful if you switch to pharma T4 or you may end up having a bad experience with the same dosage. 

Be especially careful with T3.  T3 is approximately 4 times as potent as T4.  Most T3 liquids are very underdosed.

If you have Pharma T3, start with 25 mcg and bump it up every 4-7 days, depending on how your body handles it.  You really shouldn't need more than 100 mcg if everything else is in check.  The fat should come off easily, especially if you are using GH and Clen.

BTW, when dieting I use two 65 mg Armour Thyroid per day and supplement it with extra T3 as needed.  Each 65 mg Armour Thyroid contains 38 mcg levothyroxine (T4) and 9 mcg liothyronine (T3) for each 65 mg (1 Grain) of the labeled content of thyroid.  That's the typical ratio.

Oh, and to compare...using two 65 mg Armour Thyroid per day is MUCH more effective than using 150mcg of AG Guys T3.  That should tell you how underdosed their crap is...

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 02:02:39 PM »

No I was using Glaxico smith klein t4 mcg per day 400.  Worked pretty well while I was on the gh, but what dosage you saying for pharma grade t4, I thought your body just converts it to the same thing as t3 as long as you take enough of it ?

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 03:49:45 PM »

T4 is not useless...


i do not think you are able to get your body to have supraphysioligical levels of t3 buy using exogenous t4. and if it is possible, it would not be so in a caloric defecit, when the body is tryingt o lower circulating t3.


t4 does have some roles in the body other than converting into t3.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 04:02:38 PM »

i do not think you are able to get your body to have supraphysioligical levels of t3 buy using exogenous t4. and if it is possible, it would not be so in a caloric defecit, when the body is tryingt o lower circulating t3.


t4 does have some roles in the body other than converting into t3.

Agreed, but as you say it does play a role other than converting to T3.
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 04:37:12 PM »

dont people use t4 mailing with gh??
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2009, 04:38:38 PM »

dont people use t4 mailing with gh??
people do alot of stupid shit
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2009, 04:42:19 PM »

shit i meant mainly lol    i thought i read somewhere that t4 is preferred with gh, maybe i read some bunk as shit lol
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2009, 04:44:54 PM »

no they do have some articles on t4 with hgh but how would t4 high dose work with just aas?
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2009, 04:48:05 PM »

eh... the idea is that gh helps to convert more t4 into t3...


...like i said, people do alot of stupid shit



use t4 if youve got a pre existing thyroid condition, and only if that condition is a lack of t4 production.
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2009, 04:51:17 PM »

its all about the deiodinase enzyme. i read that t4 is one of the more popular versions to prescribe cause it converts this enzme to t3 but when your on a calorie defecient diet, this enzme lessens so it makes it harder for t4 to work, the conversion is less. and also, you wqould have to take in the 300mcg range to see results, if any from the drug where as you need alot less of t3, what will probably be cheaper??
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2009, 04:53:02 PM »

and again, be safe with these drugs cause if you dont ramp and use for a safe time, you could be using them things forever, maybe use a low dose of t3 and some clen with it or clen in the off times of t3
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2009, 04:55:10 PM »

no they do have some articles on t4 with hgh but how would t4 high dose work with just aas?

Yea and those articles are pretty outdated.  It's not really an issue to use T4 with GH since T3 is a much better option.  If you do want to supplement with T4 you should also use T3 at the appropriate dose.
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2009, 04:57:06 PM »

and again, be safe with these drugs cause if you dont ramp and use for a safe time, you could be using them things forever, maybe use a low dose of t3 and some clen with it or clen in the off times of t3
this isnt true.... no need to ramp up or down... and no chance of becoming phisiologically dependant..
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2009, 05:27:09 PM »

this isnt true.... no need to ramp up or down... and no chance of becoming phisiologically dependant..

At least very very very little chance.  Never say never.
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2009, 06:33:20 PM »

If you're running T4, run some T3 with it as well. T4 is very underwhelming.

I'm starting to think you're a troll, jt. You claim to have accidentally run 40 and 70 fucking ius of slin before as well..... makes me wonder what kind of fucking retard you are. Sad
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2009, 06:49:44 PM »

ok cool guys thx for the helpful incite.  Back off dustin.

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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2009, 09:35:31 PM »

ok cool guys thx for the helpful incite.  Back off dustin.

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Hey, I gave you honest and helpful advice as well. I always do. Even when that homo ASJGayotic was asking about drugs...

Honestly though, to accidentally bang back nearly a ml of insulin and then take shitloads of thyroid drugs months later with no clue. Dude, you have to be careful. Seriously.. one day you're probably going to inject an entire 3ml syringe of air into a vein and tell us you forgot to aspirate.
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2009, 10:10:55 PM »

Whats the big deal, taking 400mcg of t4 is not tons of it, it is a lot less potent than t3 bro. 

Also with the slin it was a mistake, I was use to measuring out my GH like that and just did the slin the same way and didn't look at how it was diluted in the slin bottle. 

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2009, 06:21:14 PM »

ok cool guys thx for the helpful incite.  Back off dustin.

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2009, 06:25:02 PM »

What should a good t4 dosage be for fat loss on a cycle?

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if you can get some triac by sidus labs, use 4 0,35mg pills every 4 hours
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2009, 06:26:32 PM »

if you can get some triac by sidus labs, use 4 0,35mg pills every 4 hours

i can't but what is that, t4?

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