Author Topic: Layne Norton 2009 APA Crush Cupid Powerlifting meet (Read 14314 times)

brent2741 · « **Reply #50 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:31:06 AM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 11:26:52 AM

If Layne actually did Anabolic Steroids, He'd be much much more massive than he currently is.

Ephedrine doesn't make someone unnatural. If it did, Caffeine would also. Are you claiming that a Coca Cola makes someone unnatural? Caffeine does the same thing that ephedrine does.

I've said it before, I'll say it again....EVERYTHING ONE PUTS INTO THEIR BODY AFFECTS THE HORMONE AND METABOLISM.

because the second you take steroids you become MUCH MUCH MORE MASSIVE..lol your a retard

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #51 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:32:26 AM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 11:26:52 AM

If Layne actually did Anabolic Steroids, He'd be much much more massive than he currently is.

Ephedrine doesn't make someone unnatural. If it did, Caffeine would also. Are you claiming that a Coca Cola makes someone unnatural? Caffeine does the same thing that ephedrine does.

I've said it before, I'll say it again....EVERYTHING ONE PUTS INTO THEIR BODY AFFECTS THE HORMONE AND METABOLISM.

Having a coke or a cup of coffee everyday is a helluva lot different than downing pils of ECA. So no ephedrine is NOT natural. Guys in the 40's and 50's like I said 99% of them took nothing but food and hard work in the gym. Hence why their physiques look nothing like that of Layne Norton's or Doug Miller's and all the other full of shit naturals. I know lots of guys who are "Natural" in every sense of the word and they would NEVER get the publicity that Norton and other frauds get because their physiques can't compete with the drugs. Steroids and other drugs are RAMPANT in the fitness industry and among even recreational bodybuilders who don't compete or make their living from fitness. So to think Layne or anyone else is truly natural when his entire image and livelihood relies on this is naive.

Ursus · « **Reply #52 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:49:10 AM »

double overhand grip deadlift...very impressive.

Good lifts. I believe he is natural and strong as a natty

liberalismo · « **Reply #53 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:57:57 AM »

Quote from: brent2741 on February 17, 2009, 11:31:06 AM

because the second you take steroids you become MUCH MUCH MORE MASSIVE..lol your a retard

After a cycle.

liberalismo · « **Reply #54 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:08:36 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 11:32:26 AM

Having a coke or a cup of coffee everyday is a helluva lot different than downing pils of ECA. So no ephedrine is NOT natural. Guys in the 40's and 50's like I said 99% of them took nothing but food and hard work in the gym. Hence why their physiques look nothing like that of Layne Norton's or Doug Miller's and all the other full of shit naturals. I know lots of guys who are "Natural" in every sense of the word and they would NEVER get the publicity that Norton and other frauds get because their physiques can't compete with the drugs. Steroids and other drugs are RAMPANT in the fitness industry and among even recreational bodybuilders who don't compete or make their living from fitness. So to think Layne or anyone else is truly natural when his entire image and livelihood relies on this is naive.

You're not answering my question, only repeating what you've said.

1. EXPLAIN HOW CAFFEINE IS NATURAL BUT EPHEDRINE IS NOT. They have almost identical effects on the metabolism and hormonal systems.

2. Repeating a 4th time. Everything people put into their bodies affects their metabolism & hormones. Why is 1 thing that affects metabolism and hormones "natural" but another thing isn't?

3. Guys who never took steroids back in the day look quite impressive, and if they were to post their pictures here everyone would be saying they use steroids today:

Jack Lalanne

Apply modern supplements (not drugs), modern nutrition and modern exercise equipment and he'd likely be larger and more defined than Layne Norton.

P.S. Jack Lalanne actually said that in his time none of the modern equipment was there, and he actually invented the prototypes of many modern gym equipments. So he was at a big disadvantage in the 1930s and 1940s.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #55 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:56:17 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 12:08:36 PM

You're not answering my question, only repeating what you've said.

1. EXPLAIN HOW CAFFEINE IS NATURAL BUT EPHEDRINE IS NOT. They have almost identical effects on the metabolism and hormonal systems.

2. Repeating a 4th time. Everything people put into their bodies affects their metabolism & hormones. Why is 1 thing that affects metabolism and hormones "natural" but another thing isn't?

3. Guys who never took steroids back in the day look quite impressive, and if they were to post their pictures here everyone would be saying they use steroids today:

Jack Lalanne

Apply modern supplements (not drugs), modern nutrition and modern exercise equipment and he'd likely be larger and more defined than Layne Norton.

P.S. Jack Lalanne actually said that in his time none of the modern equipment was there, and he actually invented the prototypes of many modern gym equipments. So he was at a big disadvantage in the 1930s and 1940s.

I already explained to you that there is a difference between consuming a cup of coffee or a coke vs. popping ECA pills. Do you not understand that difference? If you don't well.......you're a dumbass plain and simple.

Secondly,
Jack Lalanne was born in 1914 so that makes him 40 years old in 1954..............probab ly the peak of his physical conditioning and muscle mass. Layne Norton is what 27 years old and he's bigger and much more ripped and vascular than Lalanne. Give it up dude. You're losing this argument.......and making yourself look like a fool. I never said Layne is a steroid abusing bodybuilder..........but "natural" he is not. It's all bullshit to make a name for himself. And modern equipment means fuck all. Hence Sigmund Klein, Saxon brothers, and Sandow. Amazing physiques and feats of strength. You can get big and strong lifting stones and tree trunks in the woods. You don't need Smith and Hammer machines. Also modern nutrition? WTF does that mean? Bodybuilders eat like shit nowadays. Supplements are worthless. Do you realize that Jack Lalanne in his early days was a raw foodist? He drank gallons and gallons of raw milk and raw cream and also ate raw meat for a good part of his life. Don't talk to me about the history of bodybuilding. You will lose that argument badly.

Ursus · « **Reply #56 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:59:54 PM »

i do believe that if i had laynes driver, worth etic and knowledge at 27 i could look just as good as him.

if he is natural or not (i think yes) it cant be said for certain. HOWEVER it is possible IMO

DeltsaForce · « **Reply #57 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:08:13 PM »

Quote from: Goudy on February 17, 2009, 12:59:54 PM

i do believe that if i had laynes driver, worth etic and knowledge at 27 i could look just as good as him.

His chauffeur or driver for the green

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #58 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:10:41 PM »

Quote from: Goudy on February 17, 2009, 12:59:54 PM

i do believe that if i had laynes driver, worth etic and knowledge at 27 i could look just as good as him.

if he is natural or not (i think yes) it cant be said for certain. HOWEVER it is possible IMO

You usually sound like a pretty intelligent guy Goudy or atleast someone with some common sense but I gotta say you're clueless regarding steroids, contest prep etc. Someone like you tells me they are natural I could believe it. But there is no way in hell that Layne Norton is natural come contest prep. I would believe he was natural being 5'10, 220 with 18 inch arms offseason. But you don't drop 30lbs and get ripped with 18 inch arms without chemical assistance. Anyone who believes that has NEVER dieted nor gotten into contest prep in their life. Like I said he may not be a huge steroid user but there's no fucking way in hell the guy is natural. And in my opinion being natural is food, training, vitamins, protein, and creatine. THAT's IT! No prohormones, no ephedrine, no clen, no T3!

DeltsaForce · « **Reply #59 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:12:32 PM »

Layne's driver is on crank

TacoBell · « **Reply #60 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:33:10 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 11:02:57 AM

EXACTLY..........that's his SCHTICK! I.e. way to make money and market himself! Otherwise he'd be a no name joe blow with a subpar physique and average lifts. For someone your age you really are super naive. And you're right maybe .000001% of the bodybuilders out there are actually natural........and most of them would never receive much attention with all the steroid using bodybuilders. If you want to see what natural bodybuilders REALLY look like pic up a magazine from the 40's and 50's. 99% of those guys were in fact natural and their physiques look NOTHING like Layne Norton and this Doug guy you idolize. And let me clarify........anabolic steroids aren't the only things that make someone unnatural. ephedrine, prohormones, ANY DRUG that manipulates someone's hormonal output or metabolism.

^^^^
Bingo.

BigAnt · « **Reply #61 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:44:42 PM »

GREAT LIFTS...Congrats on breaking the record!

Glad your pec healed up nicely!

Why the "both hands over grip"?

Ursus · « **Reply #62 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:45:20 PM »

did he claim 18" arms in contest condition.

I doubt he has. However they look 18" and thats what counts

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #63 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:48:28 PM »

Again, somebody tell me he didn't start using (or used more) something around 1:30 in this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3516327422111020106

because he did, and you can tell.

MAXX · « **Reply #64 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:51:12 PM »

Quote from: BigAnt on February 17, 2009, 01:44:42 PM

GREAT LIFTS...Congrats on breaking the record!

Glad your pec healed up nicely!

Why the "both hands over grip"?

if he can do both hands over grip ten why not do it. puts less strain on the bicep than mixed grip.

Ursus · « **Reply #65 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:54:16 PM »

back when i used to read teenbodybuilding.com

before i found getbig

i used to think Layne was awesome and i wanted to look they way he did. I like the guy and wish him nothing but good luck and success in life

BigAnt · « **Reply #66 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:54:56 PM »

He looks clean, but regardless, he busted his ass, recovered nicely from several injuries and put good quality muscle on (not being abrassive with this statement) on a thin frame....his genetics!

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #67 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:55:27 PM »

Quote from: Goudy on February 17, 2009, 01:45:20 PM

did he claim 18" arms in contest condition.

I doubt he has. However they look 18" and thats what counts

sure buddy.

BigAnt · « **Reply #68 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:56:52 PM »

Quote from: MAXX on February 17, 2009, 01:51:12 PM

if he can do both hands over grip ten why not do it. puts less strain on the bicep than mixed grip.

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Yes, you are correct, less strain on the biceps...but strength will be greater with a stagger grip, just curious why he did the hands over....

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #69 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:58:18 PM »

Quote from: BigAnt on February 17, 2009, 01:56:52 PM

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Yes, you are correct, less strain on the biceps...but strength will be greater with a stagger grip, just curious why he did the hands over....

Hook grip.

Marty Champions · « **Reply #70 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:59:06 PM »

layne is great for the sport you dumb bitches

Ursus · « **Reply #71 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:00:29 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 01:55:27 PM

sure buddy.

you said noway he has 18" arms in contest mode clean.

i said i doubt they are 18 but look huge and thats what counts.

whats with the

for?

liberalismo · « **Reply #72 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:06:55 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 12:56:17 PM

I already explained to you that there is a difference between consuming a cup of coffee or a coke vs. popping ECA pills. Do you not understand that difference? If you don't well.......you're a dumbass plain and simple.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? I truly don't understand the difference. Why? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

You keep saying that there is a difference....WHAT DIFFERENCE?

Caffeine is very very similar to ephedrine. They work slightly differently, but they both affect the metabolic systems similarly. So how is one natural but one not natural? Especially synthetic caffeine, which soft drinks contain.

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 12:56:17 PM

Secondly,
Jack Lalanne was born in 1914 so that makes him 40 years old in 1954..............probab ly the peak of his physical conditioning and muscle mass. Layne Norton is what 27 years old and he's bigger and much more ripped and vascular than Lalanne. Give it up dude. You're losing this argument.......and making yourself look like a fool. I never said Layne is a steroid abusing bodybuilder..........but "natural" he is not. It's all bullshit to make a name for himself. And modern equipment means fuck all. Hence Sigmund Klein, Saxon brothers, and Sandow. Amazing physiques and feats of strength. You can get big and strong lifting stones and tree trunks in the woods. You don't need Smith and Hammer machines. Also modern nutrition? WTF does that mean? Bodybuilders eat like shit nowadays. Supplements are worthless. Do you realize that Jack Lalanne in his early days was a raw foodist? He drank gallons and gallons of raw milk and raw cream and also ate raw meat for a good part of his life. Don't talk to me about the history of bodybuilding. You will lose that argument badly.

Jack Lalanne might have been at "his" peak at 40, but Layne Norton is likely at HIS peak at his age. Do you know how much the human body changes between 25 and 40? Good God, the amount of Testosterone difference is huge.

Layne is natural by the definition of the natural organizations. If you claim ephedrine is not natural, whatever. That's bullocks.

You can get muscles by lifting "tree trunks", But you'd get much larger muscles lifting with modern gym equipment. Trust me. I know the difference.

Supplements aren't worthless. Whey Protein and Creatine make quite a difference.

You are simply ignorant of Bodybuilding, Bodybuilding history, Natural bodybuilding and especially ignorant of the human physiology.

You claim ephedrine is not natural but synthetic caffeine is natural. This is utter ignorance.
You claim that lifting tree trunks in the woods is equal to a modern gym?
You claim that someone at 40 is more at their peak than someone who is 27?

I'm tired of wasting my time.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #73 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:09:11 PM »

Quote from: Goudy on February 17, 2009, 02:00:29 PM

you said noway he has 18" arms in contest mode clean.

i said i doubt they are 18 but look huge and thats what counts.

whats with the for?

Look huge? His arms look huge when he is pumped up and in the gym. They look huge in various pics but for the most part evident in the video I just watched his arms look way below 18 inches.
In his video he claims 18 inches. In most of his profiles on the web he claims 17.5". A legit muscular 18 inch arm usually means in shape not offseason. That's stupid. Yeah I have 18 inch arms but 1.5 inches are fat?

Whether he has 17.5" arms or 18 inch arms doesn't matter. You don't have that naturally at 27 years old without assistance. But Goudy aren't yours close to 21 inches? LOL. Some of you guys have no clue just how big a legit 18 inch arm is.

liberalismo · « **Reply #74 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:09:51 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 01:10:41 PM

You usually sound like a pretty intelligent guy Goudy or atleast someone with some common sense but I gotta say you're clueless regarding steroids, contest prep etc. Someone like you tells me they are natural I could believe it. But there is no way in hell that Layne Norton is natural come contest prep. I would believe he was natural being 5'10, 220 with 18 inch arms offseason. But you don't drop 30lbs and get ripped with 18 inch arms without chemical assistance. Anyone who believes that has NEVER dieted nor gotten into contest prep in their life. Like I said he may not be a huge steroid user but there's no fucking way in hell the guy is natural. And in my opinion being natural is food, training, vitamins, protein, and creatine. THAT's IT! No prohormones, no ephedrine, no clen, no T3!

God damnit. You're stupid. You claim that Natural top competitors, Bodybuilding experts, Even people you tout in previous posts are all "clueless" about steroids and bodybuilding?

YOU ARE CLUELESS!

I've dieted tons in my life and it's difficult to get down to single digit bodyfat, but it's not impossible. All it means is you have to stop stuffing your face with KFC and McDonalds. Which is obviously hard for someone like you.

You're just a nobody sitting at his computer with a shitty physique JEALOUS of top bodybuilders..Claiming they can't be natural because YOU are unable to accomplish what they did.