It's official Deca is better than test in HIV men

[DIVISION]

it's only surprising that deca trends toward being better than test.  For one, deca is very syppressive.  I would expect that limit its efficacy.

And, mostly those anabolic/androgenic indeces mean nothing in terms of comparative growth.  For instance stanazolol results in no gains without training, apparently.  So i had discounted my expectations for deca as compared to Test.

Deca will build lean mass even without training.........that's what it's meant for, why it's prescribed for wasting.

Tren, being of the same basic metabolite will do the same thing and does, which is why it's used for feed cattle.



DIV

[Fatpanda]

Pandapet, you furry bastard.   

We already knew that Deca was the standard for AIDS patients in terms of wasting related illnesses, more so than Testosterone.

It's been that way for years.

I would shave your fur if I could for this.   

[4thAD]

it's only surprising that deca trends toward being better than test.  For one, deca is very syppressive.  I would expect that limit its efficacy.

And, mostly those anabolic/androgenic indeces mean nothing in terms of comparative growth.  For instance stanazolol results in no gains without training, apparently.  So i had discounted my expectations for deca as compared to Test.

Decca is very suppressive yes, but the suppression can be counteracted using HCG while on cycle. Correct?

[tbombz]

The guys doesn't even use AAS, but has "theories"?


DIV

okay division.... you have been harrassing me by saying ive never used any AAS.... lol, ill bite 

do you want to compare who has more experience with various AAS and doseages ? and since this is just a steroid board, how about we compare experience with any and every type of bodybuilding/powerlifting drug ?

[DIVISION]

Decca is very suppressive yes, but the suppression can be counteracted using HCG while on cycle. Correct?

Not the sexual suppression.

HCG might keep your nuts producing, but it won't necessarily maintain your libido.


DIV

[Fatpanda]

Not the sexual suppression.

HCG might keep your nuts producing, but it won't necessarily maintain your libido.


DIV

watch the movie 'wild things' and your libido will be fine - if not, seek medical assistance immediately.

[DIVISION]

watch the movie 'wild things' and your libido will be fine - if not, seek medical assistance immediately.

I wish I owned a pet panda.   


DIV

[Fatpanda]

I wish I owned a pet panda.   


DIV

who me ?

[WillGrant]

who me ?

Haha you are cute FP said in a non bigbobs to nasser type of way of course 

[DIVISION]

Haha you are cute FP said in a non bigbobs to nasser type of way of course 

I do have an affinity for furry pets.

That's why I have my white women grow a thick bush, jungle.....

I love Greek women, Italian women........it's all about the bush.   


DIV

[abc123]

I do have an affinity for furry pets.

That's why I have my white women grow a thick bush, jungle.....

I love Greek women, Italian women........it's all about the bush.   


DIV

Dude, you are a unique individual.  And, I don't say that in a bad way.   

[WillGrant]

I do have an affinity for furry pets.

That's why I have my white women grow a thick bush, jungle.....

I love Greek women, Italian women........it's all about the bush.   


DIV

Im down with the goth girls but not with the bush mate , thats where our tastes differ 

I dont mind a lil bit of parsley as a garnish just not the whole plant hahaha 

[DIVISION]

Dude, you are a unique individual.  And, I don't say that in a bad way.   

Of course I am.

There are very few like me. 

My tastes are not typical for a lifter.

Im down with the goth girls but not with the bush mate , thats where our tastes differ 

I dont mind a lil bit of parsley as a garnish just not the whole plant hahaha 

I have turned down women for lack of bush........it's a serious dealbreaker on my end.

I have conversations with women about this........ and I have ended relationships over it.

That's why I prefer Greek or Italian girls, they usually can grow it thick.



DIV

[Fatpanda]

Haha you are cute FP said in a non bigbobs to nasser type of way of course 

 

[The ChemistV2]

Of course I am.

There are very few like me. 

My tastes are not typical for a lifter.


I have turned down women for lack of bush........it's a serious dealbreaker on my end.

I have conversations with women about this........ and I have ended relationships over it.

That's why I prefer Greek or Italian girls, they usually can grow it thick.



DIV

I think most guys nowadays hate the bush because most of the porn they've grown up on shows Bleach blonde, fake titted, shaved, mannequin looking girls. A rare few like yourself have refused to be programmed by the Adult industry and decide for themselves what they like.

[4thAD]

Not the sexual suppression.

HCG might keep your nuts producing, but it won't necessarily maintain your libido.


DIV

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I would think HCG, cabaser, and a nice dose of test would solve the sexual side effects.

[LurkerNoMore]

It is important to note that deca contributes to intramuscular fat gain, which is very very hard to distinguish from lean muscle.  You can measure bodyfat, intracellular fluid retention within the muscles, the extracellular fluid retention and fat levels outside the muscle, but to actually measure intramuscular fat levels is very very hard.  Mainly because fat can at time have the same density of the muscles (especially in non weight training patients.)

Deca was RX'd in the past because of the benefits of (potential) intramuscular fat gains (in addition to the muscle preservation properties the anabolic side contributing to combat wasting) for HIV patients because of the popularity at the time of the addition of AZT, Retrovir, Epivir, and Videx to the common protease inhibitor cocktails out.  These compounds are known for contributing to the rapid fat loss that HIV patients experienced.

As the cocktails were improvished with new meds and as the old cocktails utilizing the nRTI compounds were deemed not suitable for the first phase of treatments for patients, the use of deca in HIV has started to decline over the last few years.

[Fatpanda]

It is important to note that deca contributes to intramuscular fat gain, which is very very hard to distinguish from lean muscle.  You can measure bodyfat, intracellular fluid retention within the muscles, the extracellular fluid retention and fat levels outside the muscle, but to actually measure intramuscular fat levels is very very hard.  Mainly because fat can at time have the same density of the muscles (especially in non weight training patients.)

Deca was RX'd in the past because of the benefits of (potential) intramuscular fat gains (in addition to the muscle preservation properties the anabolic side contributing to combat wasting) for HIV patients because of the popularity at the time of the addition of AZT, Retrovir, Epivir, and Videx to the common protease inhibitor cocktails out.  These compounds are known for contributing to the rapid fat loss that HIV patients experienced.

As the cocktails were improvished with new meds and as the old cocktails utilizing the nRTI compounds were deemed not suitable for the first phase of treatments for patients, the use of deca in HIV has started to decline over the last few years.

lurker i have never heard of this - can you provide a study that backs your statement regarding deca causing intramuscular fat gain ?

thanks.

[DIVISION]

It is important to note that deca contributes to intramuscular fat gain, which is very very hard to distinguish from lean muscle.  You can measure bodyfat, intracellular fluid retention within the muscles, the extracellular fluid retention and fat levels outside the muscle, but to actually measure intramuscular fat levels is very very hard.  Mainly because fat can at time have the same density of the muscles (especially in non weight training patients.)

Deca was RX'd in the past because of the benefits of (potential) intramuscular fat gains (in addition to the muscle preservation properties the anabolic side contributing to combat wasting) for HIV patients because of the popularity at the time of the addition of AZT, Retrovir, Epivir, and Videx to the common protease inhibitor cocktails out.  These compounds are known for contributing to the rapid fat loss that HIV patients experienced.

As the cocktails were improvished with new meds and as the old cocktails utilizing the nRTI compounds were deemed not suitable for the first phase of treatments for patients, the use of deca in HIV has started to decline over the last few years.

Marbled fat gains from Deca?

Never heard of that.

Where did you get the impression that there was a correlation?


DIV

[4thAD]

I would like to see some proof of this as well. I was under the impression that intramuscular fat was an animal trait that did not take place in humans.

[DIVISION]

I would like to see some proof of this as well. I was under the impression that intramuscular fat was an animal trait that did not take place in humans.

Actually, some genetic types are predisposed to marbled fat.

Most guys you see with the "beer belly" have that going on with intra-abdominal fat.

That's the hardest to get rid of because it clings to the muscle tissue.

Watch an autopsy or two and you'll see what marbled fat looks like in humans.



DIV

[Emmortal]

Actually, some genetic types are predisposed to marbled fat.

Most guys you see with the "beer belly" have that going on with intra-abdominal fat.

That's the hardest to get rid of because it clings to the muscle tissue.

Watch an autopsy or two and you'll see what marbled fat looks like in humans.
DIV

Walking at a brisk pace 6 times a week for 30-60 minutes will reduce it tremendously.

[DIVISION]

Walking at a brisk pace 6 times a week for 30-60 minutes will reduce it tremendously.

Those kids who retain the marbled fat don't lose it as easily as the rest of us.

Marbled fat clings and clutches to lean muscle tissue like a whore to cock.

Jack Black, John Goodman, John Candy, Jim & John Belushi are examples of one specific genetic type that has the marbled fat.



DIV

[Emmortal]

Those kids who retain the marbled fat don't lose it as easily as the rest of us.

Marbled fat clings and clutches to lean muscle tissue like a whore to cock.

Jack Black, John Goodman, John Candy, Jim & John Belushi are examples of one specific genetic type that has the marbled fat.



DIV

True, however most of the people who have it  have a host of other health issues, horrible diet, and in the cases you mentioned massive drug abuse.

[LurkerNoMore]

To see evidence of intramuscular fat, you only have to look at a good majority of Type 2 diabetics.