Rush Tells It Like It Is At Televised CPAC

[MCWAY]

Unfortunately - for your analogy and the GOP - the reversal of fortune won't be coming this early.

The GOP has no party.
The GOP has no message.
The GOP has no flag bearer.  Save for Palin, Jindull, and Rush.  Good luck there.
The GOP has no plan.
The GOP has no platform.
The GOP has retiring members coming up that probably wouldn't win their seats back anyway.

The GOP has to first find it's voice and direction before it can find it's way back into Congress.

That voice is being found rather quickly, thanks in part to the actions of the Obama administration.

The message is returning to its roots. Basically, the GOP realized that it got away from its priniciples, which is why they got beat up in '06 and '08.

The Dems didn't have a plan or a platform in 2005, either. The GOP's blundering (sprinkled with political scandals) spelled their defeat. And at the rate the Democrats are going, the exact same thing can happen to them.

We don’t know who will emerge as the “flag bearer” in the GOP. But, that doesn’t necessarily matter. If you had told anyone in 2005 that someone other than Hilary Clinton would emerge as the Democratic nominee for the 2008 election, you would have been sent to urinalysis.

The Dems eventually got one; but, it wasn’t the one heavily advertised. We could see a candidate come out of the blue and turn the tide. You will recall that it wasn't until McCain picked Palin that he actually started surging ahead of Obama in the polls. Unfortunately, the economic crisis (and McCain's reaction to it) spelled his doom.



We don't know what the political future may hold. But, to suggest that the Dems have a lock on the White House, Congress, or the Senate is rather silly. We've seen the shift happen before (just a few years ago), and if this stimulus causes more problems than it's supposed to solve, the Democrats might be flying out of office in the same fashion as the GOP did.

[Soul Crusher]

I think once people get higher energy bills, higher gas bills, and get higher taxes that they were lied into believing they would not have, than the SHTF.

Again, please explain to me one benefit of a cap and trade scheme like is being discussed?  Give me one?

 

[LurkerNoMore]

That voice is being found rather quickly, thanks in part to the actions of the Obama administration.

What voice is that?  (We can't do shit here).  Who is speaking it?  (Rush)

The message is returning to its roots. Basically, the GOP realized that it got away from its priniciples, which is why they got beat up in '06 and '08.

Sorry, but mainstream America is withdrawing from the "roots" because quite simply, there are none.  Unless of course you account for the religious right and their core beliefs which is a shrinking base and only alienate the potential moderates in their own party.

The Dems didn't have a plan or a platform in 2005, either. The GOP's blundering (sprinkled with political scandals) spelled their defeat. And at the rate the Democrats are going, the exact same thing can happen to them.

Not while the GOP is still having the exact same political scandals.  Unless that old broken record turns, there will be no one left to try to hold onto a Repub seat. 

We don’t know who will emerge as the “flag bearer” in the GOP. But, that doesn’t necessarily matter. If you had told anyone in 2005 that someone other than Hilary Clinton would emerge as the Democratic nominee for the 2008 election, you would have been sent to urinalysis.

Best be getting one and quickly then.  Palin failed.  The last attempt at grooming Jindull failed like the Titanic crossing.  Running out of potential candidates here you know...

The Dems eventually got one; but, it wasn’t the one heavily advertised. We could see a candidate come out of the blue and turn the tide. You will recall that it wasn't until McCain picked Palin that he actually started surging ahead of Obama in the polls. Unfortunately, the economic crisis (and McCain's reaction to it) spelled his doom.

Actually you are incorrect.  It was Palin that turned the tide for McCain to go in a downward spiral.  She was a buffoon that sank the entire campaign every time she opened her mouth.  The gamble for Hillary votes failed miserably. 


We don't know what the political future may hold. But, to suggest that the Dems have a lock on the White House, Congress, or the Senate is rather silly. We've seen the shift happen before (just a few years ago), and if this stimulus causes more problems than it's supposed to solve, the Democrats might be flying out of office in the same fashion as the GOP did.

Not any time soon.  You can't win a seat without a candidate or message that drawers the voters to the polls, and so far the entire GOP is directionless, blowing in the wind, and fighting among themselves. 

And that is that.

[Soul Crusher]

And that is that.

Dude, take you knee pads off and put away your KY for a minute. 

BO, or ZERO as many people correctly call him, was not elected to raise energy taxes on everyone who turns on a light bulb, bankrupt the nation with trillions in wasteful spending, and enact college marxist professors' wet dreams.  He was not elected to crash the stock market and wage war against most peoples' employers. 

If you really believe that, you are dead wrong and this marxist fraud will lose the congress next year.  Even worse, your girl Palin will be presdient in 2012 because the people will be begging for anyone other than this empty suit marxist dreamer president we have right now.   

[Dos Equis]

That voice is being found rather quickly, thanks in part to the actions of the Obama administration.

The message is returning to its roots. Basically, the GOP realized that it got away from its priniciples, which is why they got beat up in '06 and '08.

The Dems didn't have a plan or a platform in 2005, either. The GOP's blundering (sprinkled with political scandals) spelled their defeat. And at the rate the Democrats are going, the exact same thing can happen to them.

We don’t know who will emerge as the “flag bearer” in the GOP. But, that doesn’t necessarily matter. If you had told anyone in 2005 that someone other than Hilary Clinton would emerge as the Democratic nominee for the 2008 election, you would have been sent to urinalysis.

The Dems eventually got one; but, it wasn’t the one heavily advertised. We could see a candidate come out of the blue and turn the tide. You will recall that it wasn't until McCain picked Palin that he actually started surging ahead of Obama in the polls. Unfortunately, the economic crisis (and McCain's reaction to it) spelled his doom.



We don't know what the political future may hold. But, to suggest that the Dems have a lock on the White House, Congress, or the Senate is rather silly. We've seen the shift happen before (just a few years ago), and if this stimulus causes more problems than it's supposed to solve, the Democrats might be flying out of office in the same fashion as the GOP did.

I agree.  The Dem takeover in 06 wasn't about their strong message, rejection of conservatism, etc., it was about two things:  the war in Iraq and Bush's unpopularity. 

We'll see what kind of coattails Obama has in 2012.  He has gotten off to a reckless start with the insane spending, but he still has time to be more responsible.  If not, I think the voters will send a message in 2012.

And it is silly for either side to be declaring victory in 2012.  Way too much can happen before then.     

[Deicide]

Rush is a fucking joke, a pale mockery of what a Ron Paul is...

[Soul Crusher]

Rush is a fucking joke, a pale mockery of what a Ron Paul is...

Rush has 20 million listeners, hundreds of millions in the bank, 600 stations, and can do wahtever he wants.

Like Reggie Jackson once said - rush is the straw that sirs the drink.

[Deicide]

Rush has 20 million listeners, hundreds of millions in the bank, 600 stations, and can do wahtever he wants.

Like Reggie Jackson once said - rush is the straw that sirs the drink.

Sad as hell!

[Soul Crusher]

Sad as hell!

I dont disagree, however his prominence at CPAC says more about lack of good GOP candidates than it does limbaugh. 

If Sarah Palin had RP knoweldge and delivery, she would be a force of nature.  I think in her heart she agrees with a lot of what he says, its just that she is not as versed as RP is in these issues.

The problem right now is that RP is too old.  If he could do the graph thing like Perot sdid, I think he would be getting a bit further than he is now.   

[liberalismo]

Yes, we need to pay taxes for necessities like infrastructure, local gov, police & fire, etc but Obama is setting up an extended government system where, in general, he will take more in taxes to pay for more government that takes and provides more goods and services.
I feel like his policies swing too far left, whereas, people are not being encouraged to change poor decision making and maladaptive behavior.  I believe in supporting the disadvantage with programs that assist them but I do not agree with creating more people dependent upon the system.  This is what Obama is creating.  Also, today its higher taxes on families making over 250K but I assure you that if he carries through on the vast goals he set forth in the last couple weeks, either our taxes will go up, we have inflation, or our money will become devalued.  We cannot pay for all the things Obama wants to do.

That's a whole nother topic. Getting people to change their decision making.

[liberalismo]

Typical liberal.  You want to tell me and others how to run a business when you yourself have never even run a lemonade stand yourself.

Hey Asshole! You don't know if I've ever run a lemonade stand!

I deal with people of all education levels and backgrounds all the time.  Where someone went to school does not mean shit to me.  In fact, if I see someone from an ivy league school trying to work for me, they are almost automatically disqualified. 

Dumber and dumber...

There are intangible qualities that make a person a good employee or future partner that education alone cannot determine.  I dont want liberal dreamers and know it alls.  I want people with drive, heart, guts, balls, and street smarts.  The book smarts are easy to get.

If book smarts are so easy to get...Then why the fuck are you so lacking?

BTW - I have been in business for 8 years and started with $700.00 to my name and no clients, nothing.

Hold on to your over priced liberal "education" if you wish.  There is a reason your marxist college professor can afford to spout his garbage, its because he/she is not accountable to results.  Liberalism does not work in the real world, and in fact will REALLY not work in the next few years as big companies lay people off and people are going to have to start their own businesses or free lance.

Talk to any business owner and they will confirm most of what I am saying. 

Just like Coach doesn't know what socialism is, You don't know what liberalism is either. It's a random and vague derogatory putdown that you use as synonymous with "stupid" or something you disagree with.

It's like this:

Ah, That asshole at work disrespected me..That damn liberal!

These people pulled out in front of me! Those damn liberals!

[liberalismo]

That's not necessarily exclusionary. In many cases, the private schools provide a better education (and their teachers often get paid LESS than those in public schools).

As for the roads, police, fire dept, etc., you hardly need to hike up taxes the way Obama plans to do so, to take care of these items.

Education ain't free. Somebody has to pay for it and the simple fact is that we have schools that SUCK, despite major money being spent (in excess of $10,000 per student in some places) on them.
 
No, it's not a requirement to provide general healthcare. Our society has been productive for decades, without it. To a degree, it is "every man for himself". You are responsible for yourself and your family, not me or Coach. The wise decisions you make will bless you and those under your care; and the foolish decisions you make will hurt you and yours.

As for people being healthy, too many people dig their graves with their knives and forks. That goes back to personal responsibility. There's a fine line between being your brother's keeper and propping up irresponsible people.


Education is hardly a socialist idea. But education is WORTHLESS without wisdom that leads to smart and practical application. That is what is lacking in our society today. There's more knowledge available today than there has ever been, perhaps, in human history. Yet people are making the most BONE-HEADED decisions ever seen.

We have more gyms, informercials for fitness gadgets, and every "diet" under the sun. Yet, we're fatter than ever. We have the information superhighway; yet (as demonstrated time and time again on this forum), half the people here can barely spell or form a decent sentence.

We can communicate with anyone on the planet, using the phone that's smaller than a candy bar. Yet, we have little-to-no time for our families; hence you see kids acting a fool.

Without wisdom, knowledge simply makes it easier for a society to destroy itself.

The post was in response to Coach, and I expect Coach to respond to it.

I'd respond to you, but I don't respond to people who say that they would murder 2 year old girls if God told them to.

[shootfighter1]

Thanks for reading my post liberalismo, it seemed to get glossed over and I thought it highlighted some important points.

I don't care for the back and forth party line arguing.  Whats happening right now is so serious, there's no time for the back and forth fighting.  IMO the spending, bailouts, proposed increases in gov programs, spending and limiting our personal freedoms is extremely scary.  I had some hope for Obama but every conservative, moderate democrats and libertarians should be appauled right now.  This excessive spending is way out of control.  Government can only help the economy so much.  The consequences of outrageous debts, increased overall taxation, increased dependency on gov programs, and gov limiting personal freedom are too much to pay for the questionable stimulation the spending may have. Some of these far left democratic ideas being tossed around right now are very Orwelian.  Scary.

[liberalismo]

Thanks for reading my post liberalismo, it seemed to get glossed over and I thought it highlighted some important points.

I don't care for the back and forth party line arguing.  Whats happening right now is so serious, there's no time for the back and forth fighting.  IMO the spending, bailouts, proposed increases in gov programs, spending and limiting our personal freedoms is extremely scary.  I had some hope for Obama but every conservative, moderate democrats and libertarians should be appauled right now.  Some of these far left democratic ideas being tossed around right now are very Orwelian.  Scary.

Most of the things Obama is doing right now aren't really things that the Democratic party would have done anyway. They are things that Obama thinks are best based on his knowledge and advising. Republicans have done all of the same things in the past. The bailout scale is a bit larger here because the problem is larger, but the methods are nothing new.

[Soul Crusher]

Most of the things Obama is doing right now aren't really things that the Democratic party would have done anyway. They are things that Obama thinks are best based on his knowledge and advising. Republicans have done all of the same things in the past. The bailout scale is a bit larger here because the problem is larger, but the methods are nothing new.

When was the last time the GOP proposed a 660 billion a year energy tax on people and businesses?

When was the last time the GOP raised domestic spending to levels not seen since 1944?

GWB was a reckless maniac w spending, but Obama is just GWB on roids as far as spending goes.

[shootfighter1]

See, I don't dislike Obama.  Actually, I'd love to sit down and talk with him.  I agree in your assessment that he is doing what he thinks is right for the country but I propose these ideas are less mainstream and more a product of some of his liberal and socialist mentors that shaped his thinking.  There is no doubt that Obama believes in some redistribution and some increase in the governments control of the production and allocation of goods and services to whom they believe need it most.  Your right, these are not all new ideas but no one has pushed them so hard, and so fast before.  I don't remember Carter though I hear from some older people that Obama reminds them a lot of Carter (not good).  The only democratice president I remember well is Clinton and though he shared some of the same ideas, he was far, far more of a centrist, as I was hoping Obama would be.  I suppose we should have known him better prior to voting.

Socialism isn't necessarily all bad, but it will not work well outside the halls of academia.  Conversely, I don't believe unchecked capitalism is without major problems.  IMO he is swinging too far left on multiple issues and cramming them through so quickly without enough real debate and discussion.  I think many people who voted for him did not expect this.

[Soul Crusher]

See, I don't dislike Obama.  Actually, I'd love to sit down and talk with him.  I agree in your assessment that he is doing what he thinks is right for the country but I propose these ideas are less mainstream and more a product of some of his liberal and socialist mentors that shaped his thinking.  There is no doubt that Obama believes in some redistribution and some increase in the governments control of the production and allocation of goods and services to whom they believe need it most.
Socialism isn't necessarily all bad, but it will not work well outside the halls of academia.  Conversely, I don't believe unchecked capitalism is without major problems.  IMO he is swinging too far left on multiple issues and cramming them through so quickly without enough real debate and discussion.  I think many people who voted for him did not expect this.

Obama and Geithner are making things worse:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29468601

[liberalismo]

When was the last time the GOP proposed a 660 billion a year energy tax on people and businesses?

When was the last time the GOP raised domestic spending to levels not seen since 1944?

GWB was a reckless maniac w spending, but Obama is just GWB on roids as far as spending goes.

You have a reading comprehension problem don't you?

[MCWAY]

And that is that.

What voice is that?  (We can't do shit here).  Who is speaking it?  (Rush)[/quote]

Rush Limbaugh doesn't lead the GOP. The liberals want to paint him as such, in hopes of securing their own political fortunes.

Sorry, but mainstream America is withdrawing from the "roots" because quite simply, there are none.  Unless of course you account for the religious right and their core beliefs which is a shrinking base and only alienate the potential moderates in their own party.

Mainstream America wants the economy fixed. If Obama and his administration can't do that, they will be shown the door.

Not while the GOP is still having the exact same political scandals.  Unless that old broken record turns, there will be no one left to try to hold onto a Repub seat. 

Scandals are on BOTH sides of the aisle. But those among the party in power get highlighted more.

Best be getting one and quickly then.  Palin failed.  The last attempt at grooming Jindull failed like the Titanic crossing.  Running out of potential candidates here you know...

One response to a presidental speech hardly spells the end for the political career of Bobby Jindal (and that's under the gross assumption that he was being "groomed" to be the 2012 candidate, anyway). The point you missed was Clinton was "groomed" to be the 2008 candidate. But, guess who's the President now.

Actually you are incorrect.  It was Palin that turned the tide for McCain to go in a downward spiral.  She was a buffoon that sank the entire campaign every time she opened her mouth.  The gamble for Hillary votes failed miserably. 

In what bizarro world were you, during the campaign. McCain did NOT surge ahead of Obama in the polls, until he picked Palin, because she did the one thing that he could not do: Energize the base of conservatives. McCain's doom came as a result of the economic crisis. He seemed to have no answer for it. And, since Obama did (or at least, appeared to do so), he got the momentum back and won it all.

Not any time soon.  You can't win a seat without a candidate or message that drawers the voters to the polls, and so far the entire GOP is directionless, blowing in the wind, and fighting among themselves. 

And, unless you start that revisionist history again, you will note that the Democrats were in the EXACT SAME SPOT four years ago: Reeling from losses in the House and Senate and the re-election of "W".

[Hedgehog]

And, unless you start that revisionist history again, you will note that the Democrats were in the EXACT SAME SPOT four years ago: Reeling from losses in the House and Senate and the re-election of "W".

I thought you supported George Bush?

Even voted for him twice?

[muscleforlife]

I dont disagree, however his prominence at CPAC says more about lack of good GOP candidates than it does limbaugh. 

If Sarah Palin had RP knoweldge and delivery, she would be a force of nature.  I think in her heart she agrees with a lot of what he says, its just that she is not as versed as RP is in these issues.

The problem right now is that RP is too old.  If he could do the graph thing like Perot sdid, I think he would be getting a bit further than he is now.   

Where were palin and jindal?  I thought cpac was about taking getting the party back together...
I don't like the idea of Rush wishing the president fails.  Hell, that means if the leader fails, we all as a country.

Changing topic slightly....is there a death pool with Rush in it?
He looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.
Sandra

[Soul Crusher]

I thought you supported George Bush?

Even voted for him twice?

how many times do you people need to hear this - no one is defending Bush around here yet you clown still want to roll out that tired carnard.  

GWB was a disaster, however that does not mean it is ok for Obama to be worse and be GWB on roids.  Obama is GWB's third term on fiscal issues, but much much worse.

There is not even one responsible or sensible person on CNBC/bloomberg/WJS/IBD supporting Obama and what he is doing.  

Cramer even called him a radical communist last night on his show.  I posted the link.

ZERO is pushing a radical ideological agenda devoid of any responsiblity, sanity, common sense, or trasck record of success.

Shit - the fool never even had a job in his life before this one.  

[muscleforlife]

After Bush, this country knows that we are in deep, deep trouble.
Obama is doing unprecedented things to stimulate this economic disaster that is also unprecedented.

I have no clue as to how to get things right and running again.
For those who bitch and moan about where we are going economically, what would you do?

We know the Bush administrations' plan didn't work.
We are watching the Obama administration spending in numbers that are unreal.

No one seems to have a definitive answer as how to stop the downward spiral.

So, if any of you have an idea the economists, strategists and corporations haven't come up with to stop the bleeding, do speak up!
Sandra

[Soul Crusher]

After Bush, this country knows that we are in deep, deep trouble.
Obama is doing unprecedented things to stimulate this economic disaster that is also unprecedented.

I have no clue as to how to get things right and running again.
For those who bitch and moan about where we are going economically, what would you do?

We know the Bush administrations' plan didn't work.
We are watching the Obama administration spending in numbers that are unreal.

No one seems to have a definitive answer as how to stop the downward spiral.

So, if any of you have an idea the economists, strategists and corporations haven't come up with to stop the bleeding, do speak up!
Sandra

Good question - let me put this in a way you will understand.

Lets say you lose your job or have your hours cut substantially (Current economic situation).  Lets say you still have some income coming in, but not like what you had (gross Federal tax receipts)  You were living high on the hog, buying goods going out to dinner a few times a week, bought a boat, etc. (War on Iraq/Entitlements/Medicaid/Medicair/Illegal aliens etc) 

You have alot of existing debt, but have a good credit score and your creditors are not afraid of your ability to pay it back because you have always made the minimum payment. (China and those who lend us $$$)

What do you do?

1.  Look where you can trim your expenses and lifestyle to meet your new income reality while looking for a new job?

2.  Keep your lifestyle as is until your cash runs out?

3.  Go out on a spending spree on your credit cards on new suits/shoes/cosmetic surgery/jewelry etc for your new job search because you think by making youerself look better you will be able to get a better job and replensish your income?
   
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Take a guess what we are doing now?

[muscleforlife]

Good question - let me put this in a way you will understand.

Lets say you lose your job or have your hours cut substantially (Current economic situation).  Lets say you still have some income coming in, but not like what you had (gross Federal tax receipts)  You were living high on the hog, buying goods going out to dinner a few times a week, bought a boat, etc. (War on Iraq/Entitlements/Medicaid/Medicair/Illegal aliens etc) 

You have alot of existing debt, but have a good credit score and your creditors are not afraid of your ability to pay it back because you have always made the minimum payment. (China and those who lend us $$$)

What do you do?

1.  Look where you can trim your expenses and lifestyle to meet your new income reality while looking for a new job?

2.  Keep your lifestyle as is until your cash runs out?

3.  Go out on a spending spree on your credit cards on new suits/shoes/cosmetic surgery/jewelry etc for your new job search because you think by making youerself look better you will be able to get a better job and replensish your income?
   
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Take a guess what we are doing now?

On a personal side, I will cut back on expenses, look for a job in Mcdonald&burgerking&anywhere else to keep my children feed.

On a global side, it is quite different, not only do you have to cut expenses to the bone, you have to get the economy going so that the people don't run to the banks pulling money out and stuffing the mattresses.
So, say the gov. cuts expenses and the bleeding doesn't stop?  No buying of bad mortgages, no corporation bailouts, everybody sink or swim.
What do you think would happen on a national scale?
I am all for personal responsibility.  I actually didn't want corporations bailed out,  I wanted to see capitalism at work.
Sandra