investigating "palumboism"

[Marble]

Is it possible that the receptors get shut down permanently through continous use? And that the receptors in the limbs gets shut down first? Hence causing the atrophy in legs and arms seen clearly in both Kovacs and Palumbo. Could the GH somehow be blamed?

sort-of.  it's probably a chain that looks something like this(independent of growth of bones & gut):

gh megadoses ->           fat cell necrosis          ->         insulin resistance -> diabetes + lipodystrophy -> limb atrophy
                                       (arrow down)
androgen megadoses -> hyperlipidemia + visceral adiposity ^


adiponectin probably mediates a lot of these flows, but i've just begun learning about that hormone.  apparently the imbalance is only temporary, and goes away when gh is ceased, but the effects caused during the imbalance are permanent.  the reason limbs atrophy first is that the fat cells there are simply more vulnerable.  intra-muscular fat is important for muscle function and mass, and when insulin sensitivity drops your muscles everywhere will shrink.  think nicely marbled steak.

i'd kill for the full text of this article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15573230

[Azzhowl]

i'd kill for the full text of this article 

http://www.smj.org.sa/PDFFiles/Nov04/14Dysregulation20040120.pdf

[Marble]

i'd kill for the full text of this article 

http://www.smj.org.sa/PDFFiles/Nov04/14Dysregulation20040120.pdf

you're the man, asshole.   time to go bury myself in it.  thanks so much for the help, and take care.

[Soldier of Iron]

The final aftermath of palumboism?

[Soldier of Iron]

Shameless bump.

[619Rules]

As much as I'd like to take credit for the "Diagnosing Paluboism" post, I can't. Back when it was originally posted I loved it so much I uploaded the pics to my own server and posted it on my website. It's  a club music related site with a message board. There's also a small section devoted to fitness and stuff. Everyone over there loved it too. I'm glad I saved it because I didn't realize it was deleted over here.

Im glad you saved it also-but is that the whole post? I thought it was longer.

[flexfan]

Im glad you saved it also-but is that the whole post? I thought it was longer.

No, I think that is it. Maybe it was shorter than you remembered it. He claims that he saved the entire post.

[tony b]

newly diagnosed cases

[Mars]

newly diagnosed cases

lol.. ik thought 240 would make the palumboism website?

[SLYY]

The gut is bad....but damn he is huge! 

[SlyIzLegend]

Damn, I suddenly lost my appetite watching this topic

[DIVISION]

Shameless bump.

You fucking slut!   

Cesar from GTA would slit you from knees to nutz......

Palumboism is a microcosm of several factors, it's not one all encompassing "disease".   

Kovacs has always had bad genetics for bodybuilding, he should have stayed with powerlifting, his poundages are higher than anyone, including Coleman. 

Like others have stated, Palumbo maxed out his genetic potential and then some years ago, what you see now is the degradation.  Not sure if it's receptor downgrade/shutdown as that is a speculative topic, but it's obvious that whatever he's doing his muscles aren't responding anymore.  He's atrophying before our eyes.



DIV

[davinci]

The final aftermath of palumboism?

PWAHAHAHHAHAw!!!!

[flexfan]

Kovacs has always had bad genetics for bodybuilding, he should have stayed with powerlifting, his poundages are higher than anyone, including Coleman. 




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I'm not so sure he was as strong as Coleman. Every picture I saw with Kovacs involved a smith machine.

[DIVISION]

I'm not so sure he was as strong as Coleman. Every picture I saw with Kovacs involved a smith machine.

You transfer his legpress maxes to squats and he easily outpushes Coleman.....Not to mention Coleman's form isn't exactly "proper".



DIV

[Gord]

There was a time when Kovacs looked half decent as a bodybuilder.

[DIVISION]

There was a time when Kovacs looked half decent as a bodybuilder.

True.

That was the best Kovacs ever looked as a bodybuilder, after that everything snowballed.  Amazing how we can look back on these things in retrospect and realize that it was his prime.   




DIV

[SlyIzLegend]

Dave Palumbo or whatever the hell his name is, is a TRUE example of how FAKE bodybuilding has become. ANYONE with extremely poor genetics can make it in this sport, you just have to be crazy/dumb enough to inject 101 sorts of drugs.

[NJ BBER]

The gut is bad....but damn he is huge! 

gotta admit he looks awesome in that pic.

[ToxicAvenger]

:

a)  lipodystrophy, or abnormal fat distribution.  apparently there's reduced limbic fat but greater trunk and visceral fat.  this means arms and legs would still be very cut but your torso and abdomen in particular would always appear watery and bloated.  is this a good observation?

excellent observation...


on palumbo the skin around the abdominal reagion looks wierd...bumpy..aged??

..and there is no seperation from muscle to muscle...its like someone smeared em all over his body..

[Marble]

on palumbo the skin around the abdominal reagion looks wierd...bumpy..aged??

..and there is no seperation from muscle to muscle...its like someone smeared em all over his body..

the skin is actually the largest human organ, and gh causes it to thicken considerably as well.

[DIVISION]

the skin is actually the largest human organ, and gh causes it to thicken considerably as well.

The more we learn about GH, the more it seems like it's overrated.

The risks seems to outweigh the rewards......

Doesn't help that most of these IFBB pros megadose on it.



DIV

[buffbodz]

Booooooooom Babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Shawn, remember when you did this to Kamili?  Get ready for some flaming.  Glass houses.

[SNB]

does anyone else see the resembelence?

[240 or bust]

does anyone else see the resembelence?

anyone else have pictures of a backstreet boy on their computer?