Any Religious People Here?

[lovemonkey]

You can't prove anything.

Still you dont understand.

We havent prove ANYTHING in the history.

Proof or evidence has to become absolutes at some point. Just because we are limited to the human perception doesn't mean everything is not real.

[kyomu]

Mmmm.....ok.......

Its a class for you..


Christian

God=creator, controlar, master.

Human= son of god. controled by god.

Asian

God=everything=Human

[lovemonkey]

You are in the western christian world. Thats why you know only one concept like Jesus or Yejobah.
Asian religious concept is quite opposite from you guys.

No man I understand precisely what you're getting at but you don't seem to understand me.

If the word god is used to describe the natural order (as you like to do) then the word is only a metaphor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

[kyomu]

Proof or evidence has to become absolutes at some point. Just because we are limited to the human perception doesn't mean everything is not real.

In what reason you decide that it is absolute? Some point? For what?
I didnt say Our perception is not limited   but I say WE CANT HAVE PERCEPTION AT ALL when it comes to absolute truth.

[kyomu]

No man I understand precisely what you're getting at but you don't seem to understand me.

If the word god is used to describe the natural order (as you like to do) then the word is only a metaphor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

ah i see. then sorry for misunderstang.

[lovemonkey]

Mmmm.....ok.......

Its a class for you..


Christian

God=creator, controlar, master.

Human= son of god. controled by god.

Asian

God=everything=Human

When I discuss "God's" existence I mainly refer to some type of creator or prime mover. The abrahamic god is too ridiculous to be taken seriously for such a discussion so stop accusing me of that.

[Rami]

Define god.

I think with enough personal garbage interpretations there could be as many religions and gods as there is humans. so why waste your time.

[wavelength]

Proof or evidence has to become absolutes at some point. Just because we are limited to the human perception doesn't mean everything is not real.

Depends on what kind of "proof" and "evidence" you mean. I agree to the second statement.

[kyomu]

When I discuss "God's" existence I mainly refer to some type of creator or prime mover. The abrahamic god is too ridiculous to be taken seriously for such a discussion so stop accusing me of that.

I am not accusing you.
Just I say, OF COURSE such GOD doesnt(cant!) exists! And why you give so much fvck to their stupid argument?

I remember Davinch code. We all japanese were wondering why western world were so nervous at this book and movie.
Not a big deal

[wavelength]

Mmmm.....ok.......

Its a class for you..


Christian

God=creator, controlar, master.

Human= son of god. controled by god.

Asian

God=everything=Human

That's just the surface. The spiritual truth is the same.

[lovemonkey]

In what reason you decide that it is absolute? Some point? For what?
I didnt say Our perception is not limited   but I say WE CANT HAVE PERCEPTION AT ALL when it comes to absolute truth.

Well, since we are limited to our human minds all the absolutes are interpreted by it. That is something we have to accept. I think we're doing ourselves a big disfavor by not thinking anything is true.

Proof/evidence/human truth has gotten us very far in discoveries and science and seems to work very well. I trust in THAT truth.

[kyomu]

Define god.

I think with enough personal garbage interpretations there could be as many religions and gods as there is humans. so why waste your time.

Thats what i keep on saying.

[lovemonkey]

I am not accusing you.
Just I say, OF COURSE such GOD doesnt(cant!) exists! And why you give so much fvck to their stupid argument?

I remember Davinch code. We all japanese were wondering why western world were so nervous at this book and movie.
Not a big deal

But you insist that I'm thinking from a christian perspective? 

[lovemonkey]

Define god.

I think with enough personal garbage interpretations there could be as many religions and gods as there is humans. so why waste your time.

Or just accept that the term "god" is made up by humans. Why keep on insisting that ANY sort of god exists?

[kyomu]

Well, since we are limited to our human minds all the absolutes are interpreted by it. That is something we have to accept. I think we're doing ourselves a big disfavor by not thinking anything is true.

Proof/evidence/human truth has gotten us very far in discoveries and science and seems to work very well. I trust in THAT truth.

Why you cant accept?
Thats why you are not real atheist.

I recommend you to read some books of supreme science. You will know that we didnt discover absolutely anything.

[kyomu]

Or just accept that the term "god" is made up by humans. Why keep on insisting that ANY sort of god exists?

Science is also the god made up by human mind and ilusion. What is the difference between them?

[lovemonkey]

Science is also the god made up by human mind and ilusion. What is the difference between them?

Why you cant accept?
Thats why you are not real atheist.

I recommend you to read some books of supreme science. You will know that we didnt discover absolutely anything.

Kyomu, now you're just twisting the definition of the word God.

The word "god" can mean absolutely anything to you?

[Rami]

Science is also the god made up by human mind and ilusion. What is the difference between them?

I second this, science is just another religion, only it's unbiased to the best of mankind's ability, while religions in the traditional sense are quite the opposite.

But yes, to be 100% sure of something would be a scientific errant in my book, or close minded, at best.

[wavelength]

Science is not a religion. Some scientists make it into an ideology though (scientific positivism).
Just like many religious people make religion into an ideology.

[lovemonkey]

I second this, science is just another religion, only it's unbiased to the best of mankind's ability, while religions in the traditional sense are quite the opposite.

But yes, to be 100% sure of something would be a scientific errant in my book, or close minded, at best.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

[kyomu]

Kyomu, now you're just twisting the definition of the word God.

The word "god" can mean absolutely anything to you?

Unlike you.
I belong to everything and i dont belong to anything at the same time.

I am not twisting. You are just persisting in one.

[Rami]

Or just accept that the term "god" is made up by humans. Why keep on insisting that ANY sort of god exists?

I don't care, let there be gods, fictional or not, do you have something against such existence? are you scared of them being real? why? Seams like Christianity have done a number on you!   If a god from any religion proved itself to you would you then lay down and kiss it's ass and change your life living for it?

I couldn't care less...

[kyomu]

Science is not a religion. Some scientists make it into an ideology though (scientific positivism).
Just like many religious people make religion into an ideology.

Supeficialy different.

But when it comes to our psycological work, its same.
Both start from some absolute untochable defenition.

[Rami]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

Do you understand how limited mankind's senses are in understanding reality on a greater scale? Are you saying you know reality and what it is? Like I said, to the best of mankind's ability science is the most likely belief system to be right.

But to me, it is based on the capacity of human interpretation.

[buffdnet]

your all religious because all men
pray in the foxhole. ask anyone who
has been in the service.
which isn't most of you kids
but do carry on