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Drug testing for welfare recipients
« on: March 31, 2009, 10:54:41 AM »


People who work hard and make honest, decent livings get drug tested. Why not the undeserving, bottom of the barrel, parasitic welfare recipients who usually squander their money on drugs anyway?

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 11:17:30 AM »
it would be nice if they did that.  but this is america.  some pussy democrat will claim they are discriminating against those on welfare  ::)

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 11:19:37 AM »
                            Fuck yea!!!!


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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 11:20:15 AM »


People who work hard and make honest, decent livings get drug tested. Why not the undeserving, bottom of the barrel, parasitic welfare recipients who usually squander their money on drugs anyway?
You have to have a Job to recieve TANF funds and most states already have a law in place that drug tests.

Please educate yourself.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 11:21:43 AM »
Testing them is a waste of time and money.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 11:22:46 AM »
I do not know what free handouts you are talking about, but I will assume TANF and social welfare.  You cannot get TANF or any social welfare without doing anything. There are VERY strict requirements.  Hope this helps:

The four purposes of TANF are:

    * assisting needy families so that children can be cared for in their own homes
    * reducing the dependency of needy parents by promoting job preparation, work and marriage
    * preventing out-of-wedlock pregnancies
    * encouraging the formation and maintenance of two-parent families.


Highlights of TANF
Work Requirements:

    * Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.
    * Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
    * Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
    * States cannot penalize single parents with a child under six for failing to meet work requirements if they cannot find adequate child care.
    * States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.



Work Activities – Activities that count toward a state’s participation rates (some restrictions may apply):

    * unsubsidized or subsidized employment
    * on-the-job training
    * work experience
    * community service
    * job search – not to exceed 6 total weeks and no more than 4 consecutive weeks
    * vocational training – not to exceed 12 months
    * job skills training related to work
    * satisfactory secondary school attendance
    * providing child care services to individuals who are participating in community service.


Five-Year Time Limit:

    * Families with an adult who has received federally funded assistance for a total of five years (or less at state option) are not eligible for cash aid under the TANF program.
    * States may extend assistance beyond 60 months to not more than 20 percent of their caseload. They may also elect to provide assistance to families beyond 60 months using state-only funds or Social Services Block Grants.


State Maintenance of Effort Requirement (MOE):

    * The TANF block grant has an annual cost-sharing requirement for States, referred to as maintenance of effort or MOE.
    * Every fiscal year each state must spend a certain minimum amount of its own money to help eligible families in ways consistent with the TANF program.

      Penalties

    * The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) may reduce a state's block grant if it fails to do any of the following:
    * satisfy work requirements
    * comply with the five-year limit on assistance
    * meet the state’s Contingency fund MOE requirement
    * reduce recipient grants for refusing to participate in work activities without good cause
    * maintain assistance when a single custodial parent with a child under six can not obtain child care
    * submit required data reports
    * comply with paternity establishment and child support enforcement requirements
    * participate in the Income and Eligibility Verification System
    * repay a federal loan on time
    * establish and maintain work verification procedures
    * use funds appropriately
    * replace federal penalty reductions with additional state funds.



Personal Employability Plans:

    * States must make an initial assessment of a recipient’s skills.
    * States may develop personal responsibility plans for each recipient to identify the education, training, and job placement services needed to move into the workforce.


Teen Parent Live-at-Home and Stay-in-School Requirement:

    * Unmarried minor parents must participate in educational and training activities and live with a responsible adult or in an adult-supervised setting in order to receive assistance.
    * States are responsible for assisting in locating adult-supervised settings for teens who can not live at home.


State Plans:

    * HHS reviews state plans for completeness only.
    * States must allow for a 45-day comment period on the state plan by local governments and private organizations and consult with them.
    * The state plan must have objective criteria for eligibility and benefits that are fair and equitable.
    * The plan must explain appeal rights.
    * In order to remain eligible, i.e., continue to qualify to receive funding under TANF, States will need to submit TANF renewal plans during the applicable 27-month period described in section 402 of the Social Security Act. Only eligible States may receive a TANF block grant.


Job Subsidies:

    * The law allows States to create jobs by taking money that is now used for welfare checks and using it to create community service jobs, provide income subsidies, or provide hiring incentives for potential employers.

      Waivers:
    * States that received approval for welfare reform waivers before January 1, 1997, have the option to operate their cash assistance program under some or all of these waivers until the waivers expire.


Tribal Programs:

TANF:

    * Federally recognized Indian tribes may apply directly to HHS to operate a TANF block grant program.
    * Like States, Tribes may use their TANF funding in any manner reasonably calculated to accomplish the purposes of TANF.
    * The federal government approves tribal plans.


Native Employment Works Program:

    * The former tribal JOBS program has been replaced with the Native Employment Works (NEW) Program.
    * NEW provides funding to tribes and inter-tribal consortia to design and administer tribal work activities, while allowing tribes and States to provide other TANF services.

Funding
— In FY 2009, $16.5 billion is available for TANF.



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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 11:23:12 AM »
People who work hard and make honest, decent livings get drug tested.

some people get drug tested when they start a job.   other than pilots, police officers and pro sports players, not to many people get random tests.   plenty of MDs and finance people at CMA meetings

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 11:46:48 AM »
the only real valid argument against this in my mind is that of forcing people to have to take a piss while someone watches over them, I can see how that could be a violating feeling for some and it should be addressed.  make it a saliva swab and I say test away.  if someone comes up positive, make drug counseling mandatory and if they continue to not be able to get their act together, revoke their benefits.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 11:55:35 AM »
Yeah TA, as if all of the people that are on welfare in the inter city follow or qualify that criteria.......in your words, please educate yourself!

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 11:59:07 AM »
I do not know what free handouts you are talking about, but I will assume TANF and social welfare.  You cannot get TANF or any social welfare without doing anything. There are VERY strict requirements.  Hope this helps:

The four purposes of TANF are:

    * assisting needy families so that children can be cared for in their own homes
    * reducing the dependency of needy parents by promoting job preparation, work and marriage
    * preventing out-of-wedlock pregnancies
    * encouraging the formation and maintenance of two-parent families.


Highlights of TANF
Work Requirements:

    * Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.
    * Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
    * Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
    * States cannot penalize single parents with a child under six for failing to meet work requirements if they cannot find adequate child care.
    * States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.



Work Activities – Activities that count toward a state’s participation rates (some restrictions may apply):

    * unsubsidized or subsidized employment
    * on-the-job training
    * work experience
    * community service
    * job search – not to exceed 6 total weeks and no more than 4 consecutive weeks
    * vocational training – not to exceed 12 months
    * job skills training related to work
    * satisfactory secondary school attendance
    * providing child care services to individuals who are participating in community service.


Five-Year Time Limit:

    * Families with an adult who has received federally funded assistance for a total of five years (or less at state option) are not eligible for cash aid under the TANF program.
    * States may extend assistance beyond 60 months to not more than 20 percent of their caseload. They may also elect to provide assistance to families beyond 60 months using state-only funds or Social Services Block Grants.


State Maintenance of Effort Requirement (MOE):

    * The TANF block grant has an annual cost-sharing requirement for States, referred to as maintenance of effort or MOE.
    * Every fiscal year each state must spend a certain minimum amount of its own money to help eligible families in ways consistent with the TANF program.

      Penalties

    * The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) may reduce a state's block grant if it fails to do any of the following:
    * satisfy work requirements
    * comply with the five-year limit on assistance
    * meet the state’s Contingency fund MOE requirement
    * reduce recipient grants for refusing to participate in work activities without good cause
    * maintain assistance when a single custodial parent with a child under six can not obtain child care
    * submit required data reports
    * comply with paternity establishment and child support enforcement requirements
    * participate in the Income and Eligibility Verification System
    * repay a federal loan on time
    * establish and maintain work verification procedures
    * use funds appropriately
    * replace federal penalty reductions with additional state funds.



Personal Employability Plans:

    * States must make an initial assessment of a recipient’s skills.
    * States may develop personal responsibility plans for each recipient to identify the education, training, and job placement services needed to move into the workforce.


Teen Parent Live-at-Home and Stay-in-School Requirement:

    * Unmarried minor parents must participate in educational and training activities and live with a responsible adult or in an adult-supervised setting in order to receive assistance.
    * States are responsible for assisting in locating adult-supervised settings for teens who can not live at home.


State Plans:

    * HHS reviews state plans for completeness only.
    * States must allow for a 45-day comment period on the state plan by local governments and private organizations and consult with them.
    * The state plan must have objective criteria for eligibility and benefits that are fair and equitable.
    * The plan must explain appeal rights.
    * In order to remain eligible, i.e., continue to qualify to receive funding under TANF, States will need to submit TANF renewal plans during the applicable 27-month period described in section 402 of the Social Security Act. Only eligible States may receive a TANF block grant.


Job Subsidies:

    * The law allows States to create jobs by taking money that is now used for welfare checks and using it to create community service jobs, provide income subsidies, or provide hiring incentives for potential employers.

      Waivers:
    * States that received approval for welfare reform waivers before January 1, 1997, have the option to operate their cash assistance program under some or all of these waivers until the waivers expire.


Tribal Programs:

TANF:

    * Federally recognized Indian tribes may apply directly to HHS to operate a TANF block grant program.
    * Like States, Tribes may use their TANF funding in any manner reasonably calculated to accomplish the purposes of TANF.
    * The federal government approves tribal plans.


Native Employment Works Program:

    * The former tribal JOBS program has been replaced with the Native Employment Works (NEW) Program.
    * NEW provides funding to tribes and inter-tribal consortia to design and administer tribal work activities, while allowing tribes and States to provide other TANF services.

Funding
— In FY 2009, $16.5 billion is available for TANF.




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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 12:48:22 PM »
I'm all for it. I've had to take 2 piss tests for 2 jobs I've had in the past 2 years. Make these people do the same for FREE MONEY they're getting. It's the least they can do.

Adonis is trying hard again copying and pasting bullshit to create a stir once again. If even half of those guidelines were followed then we would be in a much better position (taxpayers).

I went to 4th-6th grade in Michigan where a decent amount of the kids qualified for the free lunch program and a lot of parents were on welfare. I remember some of the "bad kids" admitting that their parents sit on their ass all day and do absolutely jack shit and drinking all day. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out where their booze money was coming from.

For anyone living in Chicago who takes the State Street bus south past Roosevelt knows what I'm talking about. It's a mothereffing cesspool of people receiving government assistance carrying 40s in brown paper bags and loitering on every street corner and parking lot. I'll take the safe bet that a decent amount are on some sort of drug...paid for by the taxpayer.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 03:04:06 PM »
agreed pluck

but the liberal pussy adonis doesnt see it that way  ::)

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 03:04:52 PM »
It is amazing how willing you mean spirited right wingers are to support a one more big government attack on individual rights.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 03:11:41 PM »
Welfare/Social Assistance should be abolished.   <--- PERIOD

fucking leeches and parasites sit at home get high and fucking procreate to get more $$$$ the kids aren't even cared for, they're locked up in a fucking bedroom and unatended. Most of these fucking losers also get public/government housing.. meaning they pay $60 a month rent, while I'm paying $1000 , fucking pieces of shit.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 03:25:34 PM »
Welfare/Social Assistance should be abolished.   <--- PERIOD

i'd LOVE to see it.

HOWEVER,

A lot of them are going to get very violent and start committing crimes once they start starving to death.  They'll be homeless, stealing from stores, sticking revolvers in your face at grocery stores.  We're talking TEN PERCENT of Americans who are currently getting food stamps.

I hate the idea of handouts, and I love drug testing... but seriously.. that's 30 million americans who are soon going to be hungry and desperate... kids starving to death on the street... parents stabbing strangers in the gut for $10 for groceries.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2009, 03:35:16 PM »
Olympic level testing on every US citizen once a month is the only right way to go

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2009, 03:55:06 PM »
Because the only thing holding back welfare recipients from financial success is drugs.  ::)


People on welfare are citizens same as you and have the same constitutional right to privacy.  Instead of some Nancy Reagan SS bullshit, how about we modify the welfare program to require a day's work for a day's pay?  Picking up trash, graffiti removal, whatever, and build in an educational/ vocational program to get these people marketable?

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2009, 04:08:21 PM »
It is amazing how willing you mean spirited right wingers are to support a one more big government attack on individual rights.

since its the government supplying the income, they have just grounds to drug test recipients. nothing to do with being right wing or "big government". if anything, it is the dependency on big government for an income that perpetuates their power over the individual.

Because the only thing holding back welfare recipients from financial success is drugs.  ::)

No. It is a series of bad choices, including an unchecked use of drugs, which put people in that position.

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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2009, 04:19:08 PM »
since its the government supplying the income, they have just grounds to drug test recipients. nothing to do with being right wing or "big government". if anything, it is the dependency on big government for an income that perpetuates their power over the individual.

No. It is a series of bad choices, including an unchecked use of drugs, which put people in that position.

Paying welfare does not give the government the right to negate rights guaranteed to its citizens by its own constitution.  By your logic, the government is allowed to demand anything of anyone within its boarders by virtue of the benefit of its provisions.  Want little Johnny to be allowed to go to school?  Then you must allow us to search your home every Tuesday.  Want to remain in the country?  Then anything we say goes because we foot the bill.  It is, after all, for the betterment of society.


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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2009, 05:21:40 PM »
Paying welfare does not give the government the right to negate rights guaranteed to its citizens by its own constitution.  By your logic, the government is allowed to demand anything of anyone within its boarders by virtue of the benefit of its provisions.  Want little Johnny to be allowed to go to school?  Then you must allow us to search your home every Tuesday.  Want to remain in the country?  Then anything we say goes because we foot the bill.  It is, after all, for the betterment of society.



my point was depending on the gov't for  income perpetuates the problems of big government that many people complain about. if everyone took on personal responsibilities, government involvement in people's lives would not be as intense or as necessary.

your misuse of what you claim to be my logic is a bit of a stretch on various grounds...

you think it's unconstitutional to simply drug test people who receive an income entirely from their government? typical malignant mentality.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2009, 05:27:54 PM »
my point was depending on the gov't for  income perpetuates the problems of big government that many people complain about. if everyone took on personal responsibilities, government involvement in people's lives would not be as intense or as necessary.

you really don't realize how much the deck is stacked against you by corporations and their owners

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2009, 05:30:09 PM »
Welfare isn't supposed to help people. Welfare is nothing more than enlightened self interest, it keeps poor people from getting too desperate and prevents us from needing a police state.

Drug testing would imply we care and also end up costing too much because so many children would become wards of the state. They aren't going to starve children because mommy/daddy is a crackhead. There's no point making the govt bigger.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2009, 05:36:59 PM »
Olympic level testing on every US citizen once a month is the only right way to go
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any kind of drug testing on anybody is  nonsense, unless of course its something like drug testing a pilot before he flies, as to protect the passengers.

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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2009, 05:43:36 PM »
you really don't realize how much the deck is stacked against you by corporations and their owners

you mean employers of the american people? oh yeah those corporations are really infringing upon my ability to succeed.  ::)



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Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2009, 05:54:50 PM »



People on welfare are citizens same as you and have the same constitutional right to privacy.  Instead of some Nancy Reagan SS bullshit, how about we modify the welfare program to require a day's work for a day's pay?  Picking up trash, graffiti removal, whatever, and build in an educational/ vocational program to get these people marketable?

a step in the right direction either way