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The religion of peace strikes again!
« on: April 03, 2009, 03:12:07 PM »
ISLAMABAD – Pakistani authorities ordered inquiries Friday into a video showing the public flogging of a screaming woman in a northwestern valley where officials have yielded to Taliban demands for Islamic law.

A militant spokesman defended the punishment, fueling a furor that cast more doubt on a creaking peace deal in the Swat valley that U.S. officials fear has created another haven for allies of al-Qaida.

Officials vowed to introduce impose Islamic law, or Shariah, in Swat in February to halt 18 months of terror and bloody fighting between militants and security forces that killed hundreds of people.

Shariah has not yet formally been introduced and provincial officials say that, in any case, they would not condone such whippings or the harsh brand of Islamic law practiced under Afghanistan's former Taliban rule. But the video provided a reminder of how hardliners in control of much of valley intrepret Islamic strictures.

Though it was unclear when and where the video was shot, it was believed to have been taken with a mobile phone in the Swat valley. It was broadcast widely Friday on Dunya TV and other Pakistani television stations.

The embattled government of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province struck the deal with a hardline cleric who helped secure a cease-fire. However, President Asif Ali Zardari's office says he won't sign the bill introducing Islamic law there unless he is satisfied that peace has been restored — a prospect that seemed to recede Friday after a sharp outcry by rights groups.

The embattled government of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province struck the deal with a hardline cleric who helped secure a cease-fire. However, President Asif Ali Zardari's office says he won't sign the bill introducing Islamic law there unless he is satisfied that peace has been restored — a prospect that seemed to recede Friday after a sharp outcry by rights groups.

"It is not a peace accord in Swat, instead it is a surrender by the government of Pakistan," said Asma Jehangir, head of Pakistan's main human rights organization. The flogging "is against all the women of Pakistan."

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said the government remained committed to reconciliation in Swat but warned that it would restart the military operation if its authority was challenged.

The two-minute video, widely aired on local television Friday, shows the woman face down on the ground with two men holding her arms and feet. Her all-enveloping burqa has been hitched up to expose a pair of pink trousers.

A third man in a black turban with a long beard whips her backside more than a dozen times, causing her to scream repeatedly and shout "Stop it, stop it! It is painful!" A crowd of men watches silently in the background.

It was unclear who ordered the lashing and when it occurred.

Muslim Khan, spokesman for the Swat Taliban, said the militants publicly flogged a woman nine months ago over allegations that she had an illicit relationship with her father-in-law, but he was not sure if the video showed that incident.

He defended the punishment, although he said it should not have been done in public and should have been carried out by a boy who had not yet reached puberty.

Provincial government spokesman Mian Iftikhar Hussein said the incident occurred Jan. 3 — before the peace agreement was signed. Some regional officials and the Taliban spokesman suggested the release of the video was an attempt to sabotage the agreement.

"The Shariah regulation in no way is going to allow this thing to happen at all," provincial Law Minister Arshad Abdullah said. "Let's not judge our deal by this video."

A spokesman for Zardari, the widower of slain former leader and women's rights torch bearer Benazir Bhutto, described the flogging as "barbarism" that should not be tolerated.

spokesman Farhatullah Babar said Zardari had ordered authorities to apprehend those responsible — a near-impossible task in a zone from which the police and moderate tribal leaders have fled in fear.

Pakistan's recently restored chief justice also opened an inquiry, saying the case represented "a serious violation" of the law and fundamental rights.

Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry, who had been removed by former military ruler Pervez Musharraf in part for pursuing human rights cases, ordered security officials to produce the victim in the Supreme Court in time for a hearing on April 6.

U.S. officials have criticized Pakistan for striking a series of usually short-lived peace deals with militants, arguing that they give extremists time to regroup and focus on launching cross-border attacks against U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

They have expressed concern about the accord in Swat, but are also pressing Pakistan's army to switch its focus to al-Qaida strongholds closer to the Afghan border.







So this threatens the peace accord? Not the bombings or attacks on police stations, eh?

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2009, 05:42:18 AM »
They've lived that way for generations, why pretend to care now?

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2009, 05:47:28 AM »
They've lived that way for generations, why pretend to care now?

Exactly. None of our business and we are never going to change them. We should work on the problems at home and let them rot in their medievalism.
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2009, 05:58:22 AM »

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2009, 07:14:33 AM »
Slapper your such a fucking moron. Everytime some insane muslim does something violent or inhumane you throw christianity into the mix. You are either in complete denial, or were molested by a priest when you were a kid- There's no other plausible reason why you go out of your way to bash christianity every chance you get.


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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2009, 07:27:20 AM »
Slapper your such a fucking moron. Everytime some insane Muslim does something violent or inhumane [...]

There you go, you said it: "Insane". It's the "Muslim" I have a problem with. And I have a problem with it because every religion, culture, country, et cetera, has "insane" individuals/groups. The difference is some people here present ONLY the violent acts perpetrated by Muslims because they have some other motive to present all these people (99.9999999% happen to want good for the rest of the world, talk to them if you do not believe me) in a bad light.



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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 07:37:35 AM »
There you go, you said it: "Insane". It's the "Muslim" I have a problem with. And I have a problem with it because every religion, culture, country, et cetera, has "insane" individuals/groups. The difference is some people here present ONLY the violent acts perpetrated by Muslims because they have some other motive to present all these people (99.9999999% happen to want good for the rest of the world, talk to them if you do not believe me) in a bad light.




great post.

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2009, 08:16:12 AM »
Shocking that the apologists flock to this thread! How amusing!  :D

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2009, 08:19:27 AM »
There you go, you said it: "Insane". It's the "Muslim" I have a problem with. And I have a problem with it because every religion, culture, country, et cetera, has "insane" individuals/groups. The difference is some people here present ONLY the violent acts perpetrated by Muslims because they have some other motive to present all these people (99.9999999% happen to want good for the rest of the world, talk to them if you do not believe me) in a bad light.




I have...more then u I'd imagine, and most can't read or write and are easily swayed by the BS. American muslims don't really count. Look at the polls world wide, how many sypathize with the shitbags. Slapper why don't u go spend some time in a real muslim country and see how they feel about u.
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2009, 08:23:33 AM »
There you go, you said it: "Insane". It's the "Muslim" I have a problem with. And I have a problem with it because every religion, culture, country, et cetera, has "insane" individuals/groups. The difference is some people here present ONLY the violent acts perpetrated by Muslims because they have some other motive to present all these people (99.9999999% happen to want good for the rest of the world, talk to them if you do not believe me) in a bad light.




Oh, cut the sob story bullshit. You liken the actions of a multitude of a small number of different demographics to the greater group.

And, what exactly, have Muslims contributed or done good lately? Hate to break it to you, but no Muslim living under islamic influence has ever won a Nobel Prize. Never. And only five or so who weren't living in Muslims countries have won it. Yes, they're really contributing to making societal gains. Hell, in roughly 50 years, Pakistani scientists have managed to get just eight patents registered internationally.

Silly apologists.

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2009, 08:26:21 AM »
BZ....give em credit. They did develop a nuke and have actively shopped that tech to other shitbags around the world. Thank u Pakistan.
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2009, 08:27:58 AM »
BZ....give em credit. They did develop a nuke and have actively shopped that tech to other shitbags around the world. Thank u Pakistan.

Yeah. Most believe the Pakistani scientists are good at reverse engineering things. They excel at that. Inventing new things on their own? Not so much, as evidenced by the eight international patents they've received in 50 years.

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2009, 08:42:22 AM »
Shocking that the apologists flock to this thread! How amusing!  :D

Who's apologising? No doubt Islam is a barbaric religion stuck in the 12th century. But that shit has been going on for a long time and pretending to care is just that, pretense. I dislike all religion but there is so much that needs to be done domestically that this stuff is just irrelevant to the average American.
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2009, 08:43:37 AM »
Who's apologising? No doubt Islam is a barbaric religion stuck in the 12th century. But that shit has been going on for a long time and pretending to care is just that, pretense. I dislike all religion but there is so much that needs to be done domestically that this stuff is just irrelevant to the average American.

It's not irrelevant in the least. This is a major issue in Pakistan right now and is threatening that pseudo-cease fire they established with the Taliban militants in the Swat region. Yes, very irrelevant.  ::)

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2009, 08:47:46 AM »
Who's apologising? No doubt Islam is a barbaric religion stuck in the 12th century. But that shit has been going on for a long time and pretending to care is just that, pretense. I dislike all religion but there is so much that needs to be done domestically that this stuff is just irrelevant to the average American.

Ur not even in the States, how do u know what the average American cares about. Sticking ur head in the sand won';t make em go away either.
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2009, 08:58:34 AM »
Ur not even in the States, how do u know what the average American cares about. Sticking ur head in the sand won';t make em go away either.

I have friends in the USA. It is still my country.
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2009, 09:01:37 AM »
See u couldn't even say "my country".
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2009, 09:05:50 AM »
See u couldn't even say "my country".

Fair enough. ;D
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2009, 09:53:31 AM »
OK- So what the fuck does Jesus have to do with this thread? Was a christian flogging a woman in public?

The person doing the flogging was a MUSLIM. Are you disputing that? What is your point exactly? This thread shows a video of a MUSLIM flogging another MUSLIM.

Your argument is not only unsound, but irrelevant to this topic. Tell you what, you can post a christian bashing thread and put up all the videos you can find of christians flogging other people for similar infractions ( good luck on that) and then you're argument will have some teeth. Otherwise stop hijacking this thread into a discussion that has nothing to do with the topic.

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2009, 10:00:24 AM »
It's not irrelevant in the least. This is a major issue in Pakistan right now and is threatening that pseudo-cease fire they established with the Taliban militants in the Swat region. Yes, very irrelevant.  ::)

Relevant to what!?

All fundamentalist religions are a danger, IMO.

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2009, 11:08:08 AM »
Relevant to what!?

All fundamentalist religions are a danger, IMO.

Let's see, a nuclear armed country is having a massive insurgency and is wavering back and forth near collapse. Of course it's relevant.


Fucking apologists. You'll be the first ones crying for blood when your family gets blown up in a terrorist attack, too.




Hey Doc, I have to say that I'm SHOCKED that you're trying to bring all religions into a thread about Muslims flogging a woman. Haven't seen that happen before.

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2009, 12:11:09 PM »
They've lived that way for generations, why pretend to care now?

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2009, 12:26:20 PM »
Let's see, a nuclear armed country is having a massive insurgency and is wavering back and forth near collapse. Of course it's relevant.


Fucking apologists. You'll be the first ones crying for blood when your family gets blown up in a terrorist attack, too.




Hey Doc, I have to say that I'm SHOCKED that you're trying to bring all religions into a thread about Muslims flogging a woman. Haven't seen that happen before.

What is the solution then?
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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2009, 12:29:43 PM »
Let's see, a nuclear armed country is having a massive insurgency and is wavering back and forth near collapse. Of course it's relevant.


Fucking apologists. You'll be the first ones crying for blood when your family gets blown up in a terrorist attack, too.




Hey Doc, I have to say that I'm SHOCKED that you're trying to bring all religions into a thread about Muslims flogging a woman. Haven't seen that happen before.

I said all fundamentalist religions and stand by the opinion that they are equally dangerous.

Read the bible, it allows for wives to be chastised.

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Re: The religion of peace strikes again!
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2009, 12:56:42 PM »
I said all fundamentalist religions and stand by the opinion that they are equally dangerous.

Read the bible, it allows for wives to be chastised.

You speak the truth man of NY...
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