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MORON...THese "nations" many of which are break away republics of Russia or former French colonies don't speak Russsian or French as their primary language...your own statistics show 4%, 9% 20 %  yadda yadda. These countries had/have their own languages and the few who do speak other languages are those most effected by the colonization of their nation by France or Russia. THe Vietnamese DO NOT SPEAK FRENCH despite the French colonizing their nation until the Vietnamese kicked their asses out. The same has been done in Haiti where Patoi is the language which is a combination of French, Spanish and English...what did the Haitians speak before the INVADERS came??? And even Patoi is hard to understand by the French. Russian is spoken in a few former satellite nations in what is now eastern Europe...thanks to the colonization, but there are many people who still speak their original tongue in those lands. and as they seperate themselves more from their former occupiers, they return to their original tongues.

Nonetheless this argument has gone away from the topic which is ACTIVE THERMITE into stupefying argument started over a clown not liking the Danish language... Back to the topic..

Everything I cited is current and Belgium and Switzerland were never colonies of France. I did not highlight Vietnam for that very reason; they have given up French. I personally know Khazaks here who spend all day speaking Russian, NOT the Turkic language of the country.
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MORON...THese "nations" many of which are break away republics of Russia or former French colonies don't speak Russsian or French as their primary language...your own statistics show 4%, 9% 20 %  yadda yadda. These countries had/have their own languages and the few who do speak other languages are those most effected by the colonization of their nation by France or Russia. THe Vietnamese DO NOT SPEAK FRENCH despite the French colonizing their nation until the Vietnamese kicked their asses out. The same has been done in Haiti where Patoi is the language which is a combination of French, Spanish and English...what did the Haitians speak before the INVADERS came??? And even Patoi is hard to understand by the French. Russian is spoken in a few former satellite nations in what is now eastern Europe...thanks to the colonization, but there are many people who still speak their original tongue in those lands. and as they seperate themselves more from their former occupiers, they return to their original tongues.

Nonetheless this argument has gone away from the topic which is ACTIVE THERMITE into stupefying argument started over a clown not liking the Danish language... Back to the topic..

Got to rural Quebec and try to use English.

Quebec is 80% french and has the language laws to prove it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_demographics_of_Quebec

Its because arguing about language is far more interesting, then some people that don't even know what thermite is, proposing a wack job theory that even the creator has had to admit doesn't hold up, melting pools of steel " oh I mean metal that may or may not be steel".

We should investigate air now because a strong wind gust can bring down a building and there might have been a tornado, but all of the twisted steel was removed and we can't investigate air residue.
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That is not a question I need to answer since the 9-11 commission and NIST has already covered this.

I beg to differ old chasp.
You may as well just go get the 'Warren commission" & try & convince us that 'Oswald' shot 'JFK' from a window in the book depository building, with a 'single bolt action 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle', a shot that 'Verille Zaitsev' himself could not have made !!
I mean, come on.


It is up to you the conspiracy theorists to come up with one plausible theory that actually has some burden of proof connect to it.

That is going to be virtually impossible, & you know it, oh & I am not a 'CT' either.
'Judicial systems' work on never having seen a crime take place, however, you do get to review an amount of evidence & make up your mind to a level deemed 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
That is our task at hand.

We are not far of 10 years down the road, there has been so much diss-info pumped out there it's not funny.
You have to play detective, & go back to basics.
Who had to most to gain out of the events of that day ??

As I already stated Steven Jones has been proved wrong.
The remote control and missile theories are also proved wrong.
Incorrect, nothing of the sort my man, you are going to need to do better than this.
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I beg to differ old chasp.
You may as well just go get the 'Warren commission" & try & convince us that 'Oswald' shot 'JFK' from a window in the book depository building, with a 'single bolt action 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle', a shot that 'Verille Zaitsev' himself could not have made !!
I mean, come on.



If you take the time to look at the facts.  Oswald easily made a pre-sighted shot with expert marksman skills he achieved in the military.

Try the bolt action test your self.  3 shots in 8 seconds.

Bang!
timer starts
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang!
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang


PS 'Verille Zaitsev' would have nailed him on the first shot.

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I beg to differ old chasp.
You may as well just go get the 'Warren commision" & try & convince us that 'Oswald' shot 'JFK' from a window in the book depository building, with a 'single bolt action 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle', a shot that 'Verille Zaitsev' himself could not have made !!
I mean, come on.


That is going to be virtually impossible, & you know it.
'Judicial systems' work on never having seen a crime take place, however, you do get to review an amount of evidence & make up your mind to a level deemed 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
That is our task at hand.
We are not far of 10 years down the road, there has been so much diss-info pumped out there it's not funny.
You have to play detective, & go back to basics.
Who had to most to gain out of the events of that day ??
Incorrect, nothing of the sort my man, you are going to need to do better than this.
Your ball.


I proved through Steve Jones own writing that he is wrong.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down
in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to
subterranean fires after the collapses.

The NIST report refuted this. Now Steven Jones agrees with the NIST report.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.

You can keep believing in it. I hear that Santa and the Easter Bunny are looking for believers too.

As for me I believe that 19 hijackers and 4 planes were used that day. That there were some warning signs, but the CIA and FBI couldn't operate together because of their organizational rules and that wire tapping of American residents wasn't allowed because the government didn't have a strong enough case.
This all came out during the Moussaoui trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui

On August 16, 2001, Moussaoui was arrested by Harry Samit of the FBI and INS agents in Minnesota and charged with an immigration violation[15]. Materials itemized when he was arrested included a laptop computer, two knives, flight manuals pertaining to Boeing's 747 aircraft, a flight simulator computer program, fighting gloves and shin guards, and a computer disk with information about crop dusting.[15]

Some agents worried that his flight training had violent intentions, so the Minnesota bureau tried to get permission (sending over 70 emails in a week) to search his laptop, but they were turned down.[16] FBI agent Coleen Rowley made an explicit request for permission to search Moussaoui's personal rooms. This request was first denied by her superior, Deputy General Counsel Marion "Spike" Bowman, and later rejected based upon FISA regulations (amended after 9/11 by the USA Patriot Act). Several further search attempts similarly failed.

FBI watchdog Sen. Chuck Grassley, Republican-Iowa, later wrote to FBI Director Robert Mueller:

    If the application for the FISA warrant had gone forward, agents would have found information in Moussaoui's belongings that linked him both to a major financier of the hijacking plot working out of Germany, and to a Malaysian al-Qaida boss who had met with at least two other hijackers while under surveillance by intelligence officials.

I agree with Ozmo on the whole JFK thing.
However this is the same deflect technique that seems all the rage with truthers. Move to another almost plausible conspiracy then try to link it to the one that you are arguing.
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Let's make this more interesting. I am not a conspiracist. I do believe however that US foreign policy was the primary cause of the attack. What do people think of that?
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Let's make this more interesting. I am not a conspiracist. I do believe however that US foreign policy was the primary cause of the attack. What do people think of that?

Lets flip it and say that there wasn't enough American intervention.

Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998.
Bush senior should have finished his invasion in Iraq in 1990.
The Americans shouldn't have disengaged Haiti.

All of these things would have saved countless lives and money.
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Lets flip it and say that there wasn't enough American intervention.

Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998.
Bush senior should have finished his invasion in Iraq in 1990.
The Americans shouldn't have disengaged Haiti.

All of these things would have saved countless lives and money.

Well, technically 9/11 could be traced all the way back to 1953. At what point do we stop intervening?
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Well, technically 9/11 could be traced all the way back to 1953. At what point do we stop intervening?
When does intervention start to become occupation.
My answer would be just before then.

I like the South Korea or European model of intervention.
Sign a status of forces agreement, then prop up the government.

For that matter. America and Britain should have reinstalled the shah in Iran.

This would have stopped the 1980's war with Iraq.
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http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/i-am-in-very-good-company-prof-jones-and-the-evidence-of-thermite/
Post the text.
Oh wait. He already did and in this supposed peer reviewed document.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
It seems his paper hasn't been peer reviewed after all.

Because Steve Jones was wrong.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down
in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to
subterranean fires after the collapses.

The NIST report refuted this. Now Steven Jones agrees with the NIST report.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.

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When does intervention start to become occupation.
My answer would be just before then.

I like the South Korea or European model of intervention.
Sign a status of forces agreement, then prop up the government.

For that matter. America and Britain should have reinstalled the shah in Iran.

This would have stopped the 1980's war with Iraq.

Wow...we have VERY different takes on things... :o
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Everything I cited is current and Belgium and Switzerland were never colonies of France. I did not highlight Vietnam for that very reason; they have given up French. I personally know Khazaks here who spend all day speaking Russian, NOT the Turkic language of the country.

Much of the info you posted is almost 40 YEARS OLD... some are ten to 15 years old, but nonetheless OLD. These countries have switched languages and customs since their oppressors/occupiers have left. Eee Gad

Got to rural Quebec and try to use English.

Quebec is 80% french and has the language laws to prove it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_demographics_of_Quebec

Its because arguing about language is far more interesting, then some people that don't even know what thermite is, proposing a wack job theory that even the creator has had to admit doesn't hold up, melting pools of steel " oh I mean metal that may or may not be steel".

We should investigate air now because a strong wind gust can bring down a building and there might have been a tornado, but all of the twisted steel was removed and we can't investigate air residue.

UH..Quebec is a province in the COUNTRY of Canada. They MADE French the official language after English started to become the tongue of choice. The mandatory teaching of French starts in school children and works it way to the adults assuring the language's survival....otherwise English would be spoken like the rest of Canada.

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Much of the info you posted is almost 40 YEARS OLD... some are ten to 15 years old, but nonetheless OLD. These countries have switched languages and customs since their oppressors/occupiers have left. Eee Gad

UH..Quebec is a province in the COUNTRY of Canada. They MADE French the official language after English started to become the tongue of choice. The mandatory teaching of French starts in school children and works it way to the adults assuring the language's survival....otherwise English would be spoken like the rest of Canada.



Quebec has been french since it was founded by Champlain you moron.
Which precedes the Brits.
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=112881491

Also the Quebecois are a nation in a united Canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/11/27/nation-vote.html
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Post the text.
Oh wait. He already did and in this supposed peer reviewed document.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
It seems his paper hasn't been peer reviewed after all.

Because Steve Jones was wrong.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down
in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to
subterranean fires after the collapses.

The NIST report refuted this. Now Steven Jones agrees with the NIST report.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.



You see, for every claim/reference you provide.
I will provide an equally convincing  counter claim/reference

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM



There in lies our dichotomy !!
We could pass this Ball back & forth for 50 pages & get no-where.

As I have already stated "the amount of diss-info that is now in circulation, neigh on a decade later leaves this entire point moot !!
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You see, for every claim/reference you provide.
I will provide an equally convincing  counter claim/reference

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM



There in lies our dichotomy !!
We could pass this Ball back & forth for 50 pages & get no-where.

As I have already stated "the amount of diss-info that is now in circulation, neigh on a decade later leaves this entire point moot !!
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The difference is that I post the materials that you conspiracy people are following right from Steve Jones's website.
notice the direct links to journalism of 9-11 links.
You add more conspiracy crap.

Again Steve Jones has already said his information isn't peer reviewed.
The article you posted was from Steve Jones.
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Name the countries were the official language is French or Russian other than France or Russia?



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French: -  Canada, Benin, Cote D'Ivoire, Haiti, Switzerland, etc

Russian: - Khazakstan

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French: -  Canada, Benin, Cote D'Ivoire, Haiti, Switzerland, etc

Russian: - Khazakstan



I already named all those countries and more Ms. Swindler.
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I already named all those countries and more.


I was only responding to a ridiculous statement, ...but hadn't yet read your post.
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The difference is that I post the materials that you conspiracy people are following right from Steve Jones's website.
notice the direct links to journalism of 9-11 links.
You add more conspiracy crap.

Again Steve Jones has already said his information isn't peer reviewed.
The article you posted was from Steve Jones.


ENGLISH & LOGIC NOT YOUR STRONG POINT ??
I am, first of all NOT a 'CT' as I have stated.

2'nd you are citing GOV documentation (that was the end for me).
But most important of all, are the facts that stare us in the face.

The pipe-line is on track - Iraq now has permanent military bases (made of concrete) this was never going to happen (BUSH) & Opium production has gone up every single year since 2003 - we are now at well over a 1000% up on 2002 harvests !!

I rest - MY FUCKING CASE YOUR HONOR.
I could put you in touch with a guy called 'Lion-Axe' - he could bore the paint off a wall with this shit.
You 2 would get on fro hours - weeks of e-mail exchanges on the finer detail - every subtle nuance.

Personally at neigh on a decade later, I am bored of the whole fucking episode.
Bush is gone, 'Obama' is in, & as Micheal Moor will no doubt tell you in his next (EPIC,  ::) shill - movie) problem solved !!
The Diamond part of this game plan is that you will buy it.

Thanks for playing.
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I was only responding to a ridiculous statement, ...but hadn't yet read your post.

Gotta love the on going linguistic diatribe, slap bang in the middle of a 9/11 thread, FFS !!
Only on Get-Big  ::) ;D  ;)
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If you take the time to look at the facts.  Oswald easily made a pre-sighted shot with expert marksman skills he achieved in the military.

Try the bolt action test your self.  3 shots in 8 seconds.

Bang!
timer starts
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang!
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang


PS 'Verille Zaitsev' would have nailed him on the first shot.


 1 major issue with your little theory here (sorry for the tardy response, only just saw it  ::) )

Have you been & looked out of the window in question ??
You can not even see the road, from that position - no sniper in his right mind would have picked that for 'eyes on target' 'LUP' no in a Million years, mate ~ !!

This of course is now impossible, because the powers that be have put a - BIG - Glass display case full of facts about 'LHO' blocking you from doing so !!
I wonder why ??  ???  ::)
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Let's make this more interesting. I am not a conspiracist ??. I do believe however that US foreign policy was the primary cause of the attack. What do people think of that?

Go do some reading on 'Zibignew Brzezinski' & his involvment in the 'Russian Afghan war'
Now look at who is behind the (Wizard of OZ) screen pulling 'Obama's' US foreign policy strings.

His own book Brzezinski - 'the grand chess board' - will answer a lot of your questions in his own words.
Then take a closer look.
What do he & H.Kissinger share, as far as commonality ?? ;D
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ENGLISH & LOGIC NOT YOUR STRONG POINT ??
I am, first of all NOT a 'CT' as I have stated.

2'nd you are citing GOV documentation (that was the end for me).
But most important of all, are the facts that stare us in the face.

The pipe-line is on track - Iraq now has permanent military bases (made of concrete) this was never going to happen (BUSH) & Opium production has gone up every single year since 2003 - we are now at well over a 1000% up on 2002 harvests !!

I rest - MY FUCKING CASE YOUR HONOR.
I could put you in touch with a guy called 'Lion-Axe' - he could bore the paint off a wall with this shit.
You 2 would get on fro hours - weeks of e-mail exchanges on the finer detail - every subtle nuance.

Personally at neigh on a decade later, I am bored of the whole fucking episode.
Bush is gone, 'Obama' is in, & as Micheal Moor will no doubt tell you in his next (EPIC,  ::) shill - movie) problem solved !!
The Diamond part of this game plan is that you will buy it.

Thanks for playing.
Now get another 'Bud' from the fridge & put the game on the '30 ft Plasma screen' - go back to the herd moron  ( ruff-ruff-woof - sheep dog herding sounds).

You can't deny what you already are.
You are quoting Steven Jones.
He is the backbone of the whole CT movement.
The fact that you will believe a non-peer reviewed paper over the findings of many peer reviewed papers speaks volumes.


Also what does Iraq have to do with 9-11.

And not one inch of pipeline has been laid down for TAPI.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Mumbai-attack-casts-shadow-on-Tapi--IPI-projects/394026/


The plan is now to send as much natural gas into Europe as possible by avoiding Russia.
See Nabucco pipeline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_Pipeline

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A few days ago 2 F16's intercepted a stolen single engine Piper. Estamated time to intercept = 15 mins.

Just like 9/11.  :-*