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[Decker]

It includes deaths attributed to natural causes....ok Decker...well ur right 108 out of 65k...not bad.

The torture continued for several years and your conclusion, in light of the facts and circumstances, is sick.

[Soul Crusher]

The torture continued for several years and your conclusion, in light of the facts and circumstances, is sick.

Again, who cares about this considering we treat our marine recruits worse in boot camp??? 

[George Whorewell]

Several commentators on the middle east and members of both our military and the international intelligence community have said repeatedly that the scum in Guantanamo live in better conditions, are better fed and have better medical treatment than anything they would ever receive in their wildest dreams from the scum holes they were captured from. I guess being forced to shave your beard and listening to loud music is torture when you come from a place where bathing is against the will of god.

[Dos Equis]

Several commentators on the middle east and members of both our military and the international intelligence community have said repeatedly that the scum in Guantanamo live in better conditions, are better fed and have better medical treatment than anything they would ever receive in their wildest dreams from the scum holes they were captured from. I guess being forced to shave your beard and listening to loud music is torture when you come from a place where bathing is against the will of god.

Yeah.  I've posted the stories about how we treat them like hotel guests a number of times.  It's ridiculous. 

[a_joker10]

Yeah.  I've posted the stories about how we treat them like hotel guests a number of times.  It's ridiculous. 

Even the Miss Universe thought Gitmo was a day camp.
http://www.kbtx.com/national/headlines/42263102.html
Like how the leftist in the media pulled that one down.

BTW Decker, I also never said Canada was part f the coalition of the willing, I was talking about free trade.
If you must know though there were many Canadians that served in Iraq and our current chief of defense helped plan the Iraq invasion. Which is more than some of the coalition of he willing did. Plus we took over Kandahar to free up those US troops to go to Iraq.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.J._Natynczyk
http://www.policyalternatives.ca/monitorissues/2008/09/monitorissue1992/?pa=DDC3F905
What “specific achievements” in Natynczyk’s illustrious career warranted this prestigious “cross”? The government’s statement was clear. Natynczyk was being recognized "for his outstanding leadership and professionalism while deployed as Deputy Commanding General of the Multi-National Corps during Operation Iraqi Freedom... From January 2004 to January 2005, Major General Natynczyk led the Corps' 10 separate brigades, consisting of more than 35,000 soldiers stationed throughout the Iraq Theater of Operations. He also oversaw planning and execution of all Corps level combat support and combat service support operations.

"His pivotal role in the development of numerous plans and operations resulted in a tremendous contribution by the Multi-National Corps to Operation Iraqi Freedom, and has brought great credit to the Canadian Forces and to Canada."

http://www.articlearchives.com/international-relations/national-security-foreign/1877273-1.html

[Dos Equis]

Even the Miss Universe thought Gitmo was a day camp.
http://www.kbtx.com/national/headlines/42263102.html
Like how the leftist in the media pulled that one down.

lol. . . . Torture American style. From the link:

Miss Universe: Gitmo An “Interesting” Place     

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (April 01, 2009)-Reigning Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza, 22, described a recent tour of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as "a loooot of fun" and called the prison a "relaxing, calm, beautiful place," Reuters reported Tuesday.

Medoza and reigning Miss USA Crystle Stewart, 27, had a firsthand look at the facility during a USO-organized tour to entertain American military personnel at the prison.

Following her visit, Mendoza blogged on the pageant’s Website calling the prison a “relaxing, calm, beautiful place.”

"It was a loooot of fun!" Mendoza wrote of her time at the camp, a prison surrounded by razor wire and landmines.

The two also toured the high-security perimeter fence and visited the "unbelievable" beach, Reuters reported Tuesday.

Click here for the full Reuters report.

The Miss Universe Organization was quick to remove Mendoza’s blog post following the report.

Paula M. Shugart, president of the pageant organization, defended Mendoza’s comments, saying they were “in reference to the hospitality she received while meeting the members of the U.S. military and their families who are stationed in Guantanamo.”

Click here for Shugart’s full statement on the posted blog.

Detention center spokesman Navy Lt. Cmdr. Brook DeWalt says he doesn't know if any prisoners were "out and about" when the two women were inside the prison camp from March 20-25.

President Obama set a one-year deadline, shortly after he took office, to shut the prison that has been the focus of investigation following accusations of torture and prisoner abuse.

[George Whorewell]

In Deckers opinion, if the prisoners aren't given their choice of babaganoush or humus with every meal its torture.

Kind of reminds me of those brain dead spoiled brats that decided to occupy the NYU campus for an aimless protest two months back-- then asked for a vegan chef to come in and prepare food for the students as one of their demands lolollol

[Decker]

Again, who cares about this considering we treat our marine recruits worse in boot camp??? 

This is just a foolish statement of yours.

[Decker]

Several commentators on the middle east and members of both our military and the international intelligence community have said repeatedly that the scum in Guantanamo live in better conditions, are better fed and have better medical treatment than anything they would ever receive in their wildest dreams from the scum holes they were captured from. I guess being forced to shave your beard and listening to loud music is torture when you come from a place where bathing is against the will of god.

You'll believe anything it seems.  How do you marry the notion of murdered, killed, dead untried detainees who were in our custody to your assertion of a desired country club status?

One would seem to be at odds with the other.

[Decker]

lol. . . . Torture American style. From the link:

Miss Universe: Gitmo An “Interesting” Place     

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (April 01, 2009)-Reigning Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza, 22, described a recent tour of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as "a loooot of fun" and called the prison a "relaxing, calm, beautiful place," Reuters reported Tuesday.

Medoza and reigning Miss USA Crystle Stewart, 27, had a firsthand look at the facility during a USO-organized tour to entertain American military personnel at the prison.

Following her visit, Mendoza blogged on the pageant’s Website calling the prison a “relaxing, calm, beautiful place.”

"It was a loooot of fun!" Mendoza wrote of her time at the camp, a prison surrounded by razor wire and landmines.

The two also toured the high-security perimeter fence and visited the "unbelievable" beach, Reuters reported Tuesday.

Click here for the full Reuters report.

The Miss Universe Organization was quick to remove Mendoza’s blog post following the report.

Paula M. Shugart, president of the pageant organization, defended Mendoza’s comments, saying they were “in reference to the hospitality she received while meeting the members of the U.S. military and their families who are stationed in Guantanamo.”

Click here for Shugart’s full statement on the posted blog.

Detention center spokesman Navy Lt. Cmdr. Brook DeWalt says he doesn't know if any prisoners were "out and about" when the two women were inside the prison camp from March 20-25.

President Obama set a one-year deadline, shortly after he took office, to shut the prison that has been the focus of investigation following accusations of torture and prisoner abuse.

You admire mass murderers like Bush and Cheney and Powell so it's no surprise you can joke around with torture where only hundred or so of those ragheads have died.

That's really funny stuff.  Especially when those stupid ragheads are living in the lap of luxury in US custody.  Why they even put weight on and have access to the best medical care this side of the fertile crescent.  Torture?  Why we're just washing their dirty faces with a  little water.

How they manage to die in those circumstances, and with such ingratitude, is beyond me as well.  Serves them right anyways--Islam is a violent religion.  They deserved what they got.

[Decker]

In Deckers opinion, if the prisoners aren't given their choice of babaganoush or humus with every meal its torture.

Kind of reminds me of those brain dead spoiled brats that decided to occupy the NYU campus for an aimless protest two months back-- then asked for a vegan chef to come in and prepare food for the students as one of their demands lolollol

Hahahaha.  Those stupid liberal NYU students.

They should die like the raghead detainees.

[Dos Equis]

You admire mass murderers like Bush and Cheney and Powell so it's no surprise you can joke around with torture where only hundred or so of those ragheads have died.

That's really funny stuff.  Especially when those stupid ragheads are living in the lap of luxury in US custody.  Why they even put weight on and have access to the best medical care this side of the fertile crescent.  Torture?  Why we're just washing their dirty faces with a  little water.

How they manage to die in those circumstances, and with such ingratitude, is beyond me as well.  Serves them right anyways--Islam is a violent religion.  They deserved what they got.

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.  Especially Colin Powell.  Too bad he isn't president. 

But who is joking?  What's a joke is how we feed detainees enormous amounts of specially prepared food.  It's almost like the darn Four Seasons.  But turn up the AC and take away a blanket and you got people crying about torture.  Don't engage in terrorist activities or the big bad U.S. will lock you up on an island and feed you cheeseburgers till you're literally obese. 

Someone needs to teach our people how to engage in real torture.  Maybe our people should watch clips of those animals beheading noncombatants. 

We really suck at the whole torture thing.   

[tu_holmes]

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.  Especially Colin Powell.  Too bad he isn't president.

Powell, is a great human... fortunately he's an American... Bush and Cheney great anythings? You are smoking crack.

Bush is just proof that drunken frat boy idiot can become President if your family has a prestigious name and enough money.

Cheney is an old guy who got away with shooting someone in the face, attempting to cover it, and didn't get into any trouble because he was Vice President...

[Decker]

Especially Colin Powell.  Too bad he isn't president. 

But who is joking?  What's a joke is how we feed detainees enormous amounts of specially prepared food.  It's almost like the darn Four Seasons.  But turn up the AC and take away a blanket and you got people crying about torture.  Don't engage in terrorist activities or the big bad U.S. will lock you up on an island and feed you cheeseburgers till you're literally obese. 

Someone needs to teach our people how to engage in real torture.  Maybe our people should watch clips of those animals beheading noncombatants. 

We really suck at the whole torture thing. 

 

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.

You're right Beach Bum. 

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.

You are an independent. 

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.

Why you even voted for Bill Clinton.

Bush, Cheney, and Powell are great Americans.

As for the ragheads and their detention: 

  It's almost like the darn Four Seasons.

....

Do they murder their clientele?  That would be bad business.  I guess hooking up the patrons's nuts to car batteries is more titillating.

I guess my last question for you is do you, hate ragheads that much or do you love being a republican more?

Something has to explain your obvious disdain for their treatment.

[Decker]

Powell, is a great human... fortunately he's an American... Bush and Cheney great anythings? You are smoking crack.

Bush is just proof that drunken frat boy idiot can become President if your family has a prestigious name and enough money.

Cheney is an old #### who got away with shooting someone in the face, attempting to cover it, and didn't get into any trouble because he was Vice President...

Powell is shit.  It's b/c of his great reputation that his UN bullshit fest sold the public on the idea of invading Iraq.

He has much to answer for.

[tu_holmes]

Powell is shit.  It's b/c of his great reputation that his UN bullshit fest sold the public on the idea of invading Iraq.

He has much to answer for.

Powell simply did what his CIC told him to do... I am upset, but not THAT much.

I understand why he did it.

[George Whorewell]

Hahahaha.  Those stupid liberal NYU students.

They should die like the raghead detainees.

Bump for truth. And way to change the subject.

Decker for a smart guy you really are indoctrinated to such an obscenely close minded level that I think its  permanetly ingrained in your makeup to advocate as many useless causes as possible as long as they are aimed at making America look bad or making America look like its responsible for all the ills of the world. My mother was a 60's radical who went to Columbia U and was tear gassed for being an anti war protester. She actually stood for something that was real. She is still a democrat to this day. You know what she thinks of these fucking douchebags at NYU and the terrorist detainees? She thinks these rich, spoiled brat half wits with too much time on their hands prancing around with their ipods and lattes fighting for the rights of people who would kill their own families just to kill one of them should do exactly that; They should go to one of these repressive third world shitholes and stand united with these poor innocent souls that America "forced into terrorism" and see how fast they end up in body bags.

You say we'll believe anything? Dude the same exact thing can be said for you. Your postings are so predictable that its an honest shock when you write something that isn't intended to berate America, the Bush administration, capitalism or anything else that has been spood fed to you via a Michael Mooresque blog or from an "Urban Perspective/ Social Justice" course I'm sure you took while being educated at an American University.

Here's another useless cause for you to support: Islam- "The religion of peace, or at least it used to be, until George W. Bush took office." -- Maybe you can get Nancy Pelosi to put on a Burka and hold a few fund raisers in Tehran?

[James]

Bump for truth. And way to change the subject.

Decker for a smart guy you really are indoctrinated to such an obscenely close minded level that I think its  permanetly ingrained in your makeup to advocate as many useless causes as possible as long as they are aimed at making America look bad or making America look like its responsible for all the ills of the world. My mother was a 60's radical who went to Columbia U and was tear gassed for being an anti war protester. She actually stood for something that was real. She is still a democrat to this day. You know what she thinks of these fucking douchebags at NYU and the terrorist detainees? She thinks these rich, spoiled brat half wits with too much time on their hands prancing around with their ipods and lattes fighting for the rights of people who would kill their own families just to kill one of them should do exactly that; They should go to one of these repressive third world shitholes and stand united with these poor innocent souls that America "forced into terrorism" and see how fast they end up in body bags.

You say we'll believe anything? Dude the same exact thing can be said for you. Your postings are so predictable that its an honest shock when you write something that isn't intended to berate America, the Bush administration, capitalism or anything else that has been spood fed to you via a Michael Mooresque blog or from an "Urban Perspective/ Social Justice" course I'm sure you took while being educated at an American University.

Here's another useless cause for you to support: Islam- "The religion of peace, or at least it used to be, until George W. Bush took office." -- Maybe you can get Nancy Pelosi to put on a Burka and hold a few fund raisers in Tehran?

Now this is a post !

[Decker]

Bump for truth. And way to change the subject.

Decker for a smart guy you really are indoctrinated to such an obscenely close minded level that I think its  permanetly ingrained in your makeup to advocate as many useless causes as possible as long as they are aimed at making America look bad or making America look like its responsible for all the ills of the world. My mother was a 60's radical who went to Columbia U and was tear gassed for being an anti war protester. She actually stood for something that was real. She is still a democrat to this day. You know what she thinks of these fucking douchebags at NYU and the terrorist detainees? She thinks these rich, spoiled brat half wits with too much time on their hands prancing around with their ipods and lattes fighting for the rights of people who would kill their own families just to kill one of them should do exactly that; They should go to one of these repressive third world shitholes and stand united with these poor innocent souls that America "forced into terrorism" and see how fast they end up in body bags.

You say we'll believe anything? Dude the same exact thing can be said for you. Your postings are so predictable that its an honest shock when you write something that isn't intended to berate America, the Bush administration, capitalism or anything else that has been spood fed to you via a Michael Mooresque blog or from an "Urban Perspective/ Social Justice" course I'm sure you took while being educated at an American University.

Here's another useless cause for you to support: Islam- "The religion of peace, or at least it used to be, until George W. Bush took office." -- Maybe you can get Nancy Pelosi to put on a Burka and hold a few fund raisers in Tehran?

You start your deconstruction of my character by referencing tried and true liberal bogeymen "with their ipods and lattes fighting for the rights of people who would kill their own families just to kill one of them should do exactly that" and you continue in that vein.

Wow, the world is sure an easy place for you - it's not that the US has a history predicated on allegiance to the law where every man deserves his day in court, it's that my latte's are rich and creamy and my Ipod is working overtime (I don't even know what an Ipod does nor do I drink lattes but I'll play).

It's not that our country despises torture to such a degree that it's written into our constitution - it's b/c I want to feel good about myself helping out people who are poor yet want to kill me.

My postings are predictable?  The law, human life, the golden rule--simple concepts that have stood the test of time.  Do not confuse that with gun toting, libertarian torture loving anti-tax small government shit-for-brains he-men who are truly so pathetically macho that their BS barely conceals their homo-erotic insecurities.  Jesus Christ, talk about predictable....torture, no problem, killing, that's what real men do, I ain't soft on terror.

I see you wound down your post with a democrat joke.  hahaha.  Those stupid democrats.  They are soft.  We have to be hard.  Hard and veiny. 

Real men can torture anyone to death b/c our very survival depends on that.

See what I mean?  You guys will believe anything....either out of fear or out of insecurity...which is a type of fear.  You guys are afraid.

[Dos Equis]

 
 
 
 
 

You're right Beach Bum.   
You are an independent.   
Why you even voted for Bill Clinton.





As for the ragheads and their detention:  ....

Do they murder their clientele?  That would be bad business.  I guess hooking up the patrons's nuts to car batteries is more titillating.

I guess my last question for you is do you, hate ragheads that much or do you love being a republican more?

Something has to explain your obvious disdain for their treatment.

Hahaha.  Meltdown.  Was it something I said?  lol . . . .  

I've stayed at the Four Seasons and I had to pay for my specially prepared meals.  I'll be staying at a hotel this week and I doubt I'll eat better than those fatties at Hotel Guantanamo.    

I have no answer for your last straw man question.  

[Decker]

Hahaha.  Meltdown.  Was it something I said?  lol . . . .  

I've stayed at the Four Seasons and I had to pay for my specially prepared meals.  I'll be staying at a hotel this week and I doubt I'll eat better than those fatties at Hotel Guantanamo.    

I have no answer for your last straw man question.  

Specially prepared meals?  That wouldn't be quiche would it?

We don't want strawman arguments (no offense to Strawman) so let's restate what I've been claiming all along:

Our country's history and traditions do not include torture.

The now banned 'enhanced interrogation' techniques are torture under federal and international law.  And now the CIA is no longer excepted from that ban.

Beach Bum (that's you) sees no problem with torture and any raghead dying in US custody.

Now whom is the conservative and whom is the radical?

Decker:  honors the anti-torture history of the USA

Beach Bum:  Torture is the way to go!

Now does this question make sense?:  Beach Bum do you, hate ragheads that much that you eschew conservative principals or do you love being a republican more than our US conservative principals?

Is it hatred of a people or party allegiance that drives you?

[Soul Crusher]

Specially prepared meals?  That wouldn't be quiche would it?

We don't want strawman arguments (no offense to Strawman) so let's restate what I've been claiming all along:

Our country's history and traditions do not include torture.

The now banned 'enhanced interrogation' techniques are torture under federal and international law.  And now the CIA is no longer excepted from that ban.

Beach Bum (that's you) sees no problem with torture and any raghead dying in US custody.

Now whom is the conservative and whom is the radical?

Decker:  honors the anti-torture history of the USA

Beach Bum:  Torture is the way to go!

Now does this question make sense?:  Beach Bum do you, hate ragheads that much that you eschew conservative principals or do you love being a republican more than our US conservative principals?

Is it hatred of a people or party allegiance that drives you?

More nonsense. 

No one is saying that use torture for fun, but only as a last resort if we need vital info to stop attacks on the citizens or soldiers. 

Do you think the CIA tortured for fun or because they thought it would be an effective way to get info?

[Decker]

More nonsense. 

No one is saying that use torture for fun, but only as a last resort if we need vital info to stop attacks on the citizens or soldiers. 

Do you think the CIA tortured for fun or because they thought it would be an effective way to get info?

You'd have to answer that for me.

Since torture doesn't work, you'd have to explain the motive?

Remember, 24 is a TV show.  It's not real.  It's pretend.

[Soul Crusher]

You'd have to answer that for me.

Since torture doesn't work, you'd have to explain the motive?

Remember, 24 is a TV show.  It's not real.  It's pretend.

Nonsense,  I some cases torture does work.   And I think that it should only be used as a last resort when everything else has failed that you claim does work.

And no, I do not think the CIA or FBI or military people torture for fun when interrogating suspects.   

[Decker]

Nonsense,  I some cases torture does work.   And I think that it should only be used as a last resort when everything else has failed that you claim does work.

And no, I do not think the CIA or FBI or military people torture for fun when interrogating suspects.   

Torture is illegal.

Are you suggesting that our gov. officials break the law?

Torture does not work. 

Why use something that doesn't work?

Torture is not in the history/traditions of the US.

Are you a radical?