The starvation diet

[Marty Champions]

the biggest problem is aiming for a weightloss by scale

the more 'inshape ' you become , generally the more heavier and leaner you become also, to keep up with working outs that got u in good shape in the first place. think of the compounding muscle stimulation meaning that u should aim to be HEAVIER not lighter over a PERIOD OF A LOONG TIME until you reach your goal. when u eat less u are not GARANTEED a GAINING training session the next time u train and possibly have a shitty 3 set workout because u dont have energys

thuse the goal is to have a shitload of working out per weak, and increasing amounts month by month, THE KEY IS TO HAVE A CONSISTENT HIGH AVERAGE OF TRAINING AND TIME TRAINING  ECT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME[/glow]

[body88]

I don't care if the calories are clean or dirty. I don't care if you eat strictly or not. If you are not burning what you put in your body (the old calories in versus calories out debate) you will NOT lose weight. Simple as that.
Now, I'm not going to argue what you LOOK like, but if the scale is not moving on such a ludicrous plan as some of the guys have mentioned here, it's not your genetics. You are A) lying B) not doing what you think you are or C) an idiot seeking attention via GetBig to up your post count.  

You're missing the point.  Cardio is not the end all be all (as you stated).  I said you can do it with diet....if you do it right.  You don't HAVE to do cardio for hours and hours.  Did you even READ the first post that I wrote? I'm saying that the way to weightloss is caloric deficit and cardio is not the only way to do that. 

[Marty Champions]

You're missing the point.  Cardio is not the end all be all (as you stated).  I said you can do it with diet....if you do it right.  You don't HAVE to do cardio for hours and hours.  Did you even READ the first post that I wrote? I'm saying that the way to weightloss is caloric deficit and cardio is not the only way to do that. 

if a huge heavy guy did cardio for hours and hours and ate enough to sustain this hours and hour cardio, hed be fucking ripped provided he wasnt sitting or laying around the rest of the day thats when where, the bodys demand for food uptake is NILL

[johnnynoname]

eating right, good genes, incredible self loathing,and tabata protocol > starvation diet

[Camel Jockey]

I've been dieting on 2,000-2,200 cals a day and about 40 minutes (500 calories) on the elliptical a day. Non lifting days I do two 40 minute sessions of 500 calories for a total of 1,000 calories burned through cardio.

Been dropping weight steady and leaning out and guess what I haven't lost any strength or muscle. I eat pretty much whatever but exclude sugars and if I have to eat rice I do it early. I just had some lasagna right now with a coors light. Arby's is also a staple in my diet but I just have the roast burger with double meat but no fries and with diet soda and it runs at 560 calories. Eating food high in protein and fat keep me full, sometimes for up to 6-7 hours at a time when I have a busy day.

It ain't rock science, guys. I think some of you just diet halfassedly and fail and you blame genetics, lack of t3 and whatever other shit you can find. Stop rationalizing your failures to evoke pity, because all you are doing is continuing to be fat while coming off as pathetic.

I will add the ECA stack next week at 12.5 mg ephedrine(half a Bronkaid), 200 mg caffeine and aspirin 2x a day

[Marty Champions]

I've been dieting on 2,000-2,200 cals a day and about 40 minutes (500 calories) on the elliptical a day. Non lifting days I do two 40 minute sessions of 500 calories for a total of 1,000 calories burned through cardio.

Been dropping weight steady and leaning out and guess what I haven't lost any strength or muscle. I eat pretty much whatever but exclude sugars and if I have to eat rice I do it early. I just had some lasagna right now with a coors light. 

make sure u are productive and high calorie burning when not doing cardio or lifting

[Camel Jockey]

make sure u are productive and high calorie burning when not doing cardio or lifting

Falcon, what do you think is the best low calorie beer? I've been sipping Coors light but am looking for other options.

Also been jerking off daily for extra thermo effect and I think that's helped alot.

[Marty Champions]

Falcon, what do you think is the best low calorie beer? I've been sipping Coors light but am looking for other options.

Also been jerking off daily for extra thermo effect and I think that's helped alot.

well more calories the beer has the more alcohol

beer is good even cheep beer

malt liquor doesnt do it anymore for me  but a regular old cheap ingredient budweiser will provide energy

[11venthhour]

is the HIT training program really the ideal program to lose weight? i have never done it for more than a week.

also i agree about the cardio. i used to only do cardio the last 2-4 weeks of my summer diet, depending on how strict i was being before that.

what is your eating schedule, deicide? consistency is another key thing well at least for me it was. i come from a family of fat fucks, and i am currently a fat fuck or as like to be called pleasantly fat, so i had to be consistent. this is my problem now, is the lack of it.

as far cutting a bunch of calories to lose weight fast, i don't think that is a great idea either. because you will hit a wall which will be hard to rebound from. healthy fat loss is like 2 pounds a week or a kilo.

well back to my zitti and complaining about how i can't lose weight

[wavelength]

Bingo on this post. You don't need cardio to get lean. Cardio lets you eat more food (because you're weak). It's like taking two steps forward, one back. Wasted effort and time. Cut out the food, lift heavy weights, and you will consistently lose weight.

First, the weight training will preserve lean tissue, keeping metabolic rate high. Muscle is active tissue, so T3 levels aside, that's going to need to burn calories to stay active. That's your key right there. And nothing is more anti-catabolic on a starvation diet than weight training. Studies where subjects consumed less than 1200 calories (male wrestlers) for more than 8 weeks preserved and even added muscle in some cases thanks to a weight training program, versus placebo.

So cardio isn't necessary. Do it if you want, or like to. But it's a joke way of burning fat, truly. Lift weights. Far more effective for fat burning. The EPOC of weight training is off the charts compared to steady state cardio. It beat HIIT cardio. It beats steady state.

For what it's worth, most bodybuilders back in the day didn't do regular cardio. They just ate less carbs, ate more meat, trained longer in the gym with weights (2-3 hours/day), and that was that.

Cardio is boring monotonous pointless work. I'd rather starve on low cals than do cardio. It works too. I do it all the time to get lean.

QFT.
Doing cardio is solely a matter of convenience.

[Eisenherz]

Hold up, so you can eat as low as 1200 cals and preserve muscle? I thought max of 500-1000 below maintanance is as low as one should go otherwise you lose allot of muscle.


Anyone here have any experience with dropping cals real low below maintanance i.e. more than 1k and still decently holding onto muscle naturaly?

[Deicide]

is the HIT training program really the ideal program to lose weight? i have never done it for more than a week.

also i agree about the cardio. i used to only do cardio the last 2-4 weeks of my summer diet, depending on how strict i was being before that.

what is your eating schedule, deicide? consistency is another key thing well at least for me it was. i come from a family of fat fucks, and i am currently a fat fuck or as like to be called pleasantly fat, so i had to be consistent. this is my problem now, is the lack of it.

as far cutting a bunch of calories to lose weight fast, i don't think that is a great idea either. because you will hit a wall which will be hard to rebound from. healthy fat loss is like 2 pounds a week or a kilo.

well back to my zitti and complaining about how i can't lose weight

4-6 meals a day, protein shakes, fish/meat broccoli/cauliflower, etc.

[Stormspirit]

ive been eating 1800 cals a day + 4 hours cardio a week....hoping i can get in shape pretty fast

[johnnynoname]

ive been eating 1800 cals a day + 4 hours cardio a week....hoping i can get in shape pretty fast

stop with the 4 hours of cardio and switch to empty stomach HIIT or tabata's 4x times a week

[Deicide]

ive been eating 1800 cals a day + 4 hours cardio a week....hoping i can get in shape pretty fast

Sounds good. How long?

[Stormspirit]

stop with the 4 hours of cardio and switch to empty stomach HIIT or tabata's 4x times a week

I don't know what either of those are dude.  I have about 20lbs to lose..I actually have never dieted or lost my babyfat in my life.

[Stormspirit]

Sounds good. How long?

how long do i plan to diet or how long have i been dieting?  been dieting 2 weeks, noticeably thinner in the face and my love handles have shrunk.
my waist is 38 around the bellybutton, i was pretty shocked at this because it doesnt look like it. im wondering if it is my lower back muscle that increases the measurment or that i am fatter than i think.

[Deicide]

how long do i plan to diet or how long have i been dieting?  been dieting 2 weeks, noticeably thinner in the face and my love handles have shrunk.
my waist is 38 around the bellybutton, i was pretty shocked at this because it doesnt look like it. im wondering if it is my lower back muscle that increases the measurment or that i am fatter than i think.

I think all of us who are too fat are always astounded at just how fat we actually are. I know I am. Sounds good though. I honestly think consistency is the key. Months and months of it. I am going to try to go full stop and spend the next 4-5 months doing it.

[Stormspirit]

sample diet for a day

2 egg yolks 4 egg whites
2pcs of whole wheat toast or some oatmeal

can of tuna and a little rice or ww chex

some chicken and toast( i am a lazy cooker, toast is easy)

and i eat 6 times a day, try to keep around 300 cals per meal

[Red Hook]

Honestly, there is no a way that I can 1,000K calories for more than 1 day.   What does that look like? 1 can of tuna, 1 slice of bread and 3 peanuts?

How do you find the strength to walk around let alone actually work out?

[Stormspirit]

I think all of us who are too fat are always astounded at just how fat we actually are. I know I am. Sounds good though. I honestly think consistency is the key. Months and months of it. I am going to try to go full stop and spend the next 4-5 months doing it.

i sure hope it doesn't take me months to diet down...i am not going for contest shape. right now steve namat hasnt even started dieting and his abs show, i would be very happy with BF level like that.
but when you think about it, it takes a 3000 calorie defecit to lose a lb of fat.
20x3000 is 60,000 calorie defecit..damn.

[Deicide]

Honestly, there is no a way that I can 1,000K calories for more than 1 day.   What does that look like? 1 can of tuna, 1 slice of bread and 3 peanuts?

How do you find the strength to walk around let alone actually work out?

Hmm...a 1000...well theoretically...

Protein shake 230 cal
150grams white fish 140cal
protein shake 230 cal
150grams white fish 140 cal
protein shake 230 cal

970 cal

[Eisenherz]

Hmm...a 1000...well theoretically...

Protein shake 230 cal
150grams white fish 140cal
protein shake 230 cal
150grams white fish 140 cal
protein shake 230 cal

970 cal

You need fish oil brah.

[Stormspirit]

You need fish oil brah.

does it help with fat loss? ive never used fish oil, i eat a lot of tuna though so maybe i get enough already.

[Eisenherz]

does it help with fat loss? ive never used fish oil, i eat a lot of tuna though so maybe i get enough already.

noways you'll get enough from tuna, heres an article on fish oil and fat loss, I personally dont take less than 10 grams of fish oil per day.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_supplements/fish_oil_and_fat_loss