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Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« on: April 16, 2009, 01:16:48 AM »
Socialist Programs in America right wingers seem to forget about..

Police
Firemen
Ambulance
Hospitals
Garbage Men (in my state anyways)
Schools
Social Security for our elderly
Medicare
Medicade


Any others I am missing?   Seems Healthcare works in every other country in the civilized world except ours... We got money to Free Iraq, but when it comes to making sure our citizens can have health care its SOCIALIST!!!










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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 06:34:07 AM »
Busted, I don't spend much time on this board but I think I read you said you work for 2 companies.  Do you own them?
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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 06:40:46 AM »
Busted, I don't spend much time on this board but I think I read you said you work for 2 companies.  Do you own them?

This is the same guy who claims to be a multi-millionare yet can't even put together a coherent sentence.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 06:50:55 AM »
Socialist Programs in America right wingers seem to forget about..

Police
Firemen
Ambulance
Hospitals
Garbage Men (in my state anyways)
Schools
Social Security for our elderly
Medicare
Medicade


Any others I am missing?   Seems Healthcare works in every other country in the civilized world except ours... We got money to Free Iraq, but when it comes to making sure our citizens can have health care its SOCIALIST!!!










Department of Transportation
United States Postal Service
Department of Agriculture
Department of Education
United States University System
National Institute of Health
Center for Disease Control
All National Parks
All National Zoos


There are many, many more.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 06:55:23 AM »
Department of Transportation

ENDLESS SPENDING AND NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING. 



United States Postal Service

RUNS AT A LOSS AND WOULD BE BETTER RUN BY UPS OR FEDEX



Department of Agriculture

SUBSIDIZES FARMERS NOT TO GROW FOOD.   



Department of Education

WASTE OF $$$ AND NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION.  EDUCATION WAS FAR BETTER BEFORE WE HAD THIS WASTEFUL AGENCY.


United States University System

OTHER THAN THE MILITARY ACADEMIES, I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.



National Institute of Health

WHAT DO THEY DO???



Center for Disease Control

IMPORTANT FUNCTION.



All National Parks

NOT A HUGE BUDGET ITEM



All National Zoos

I AM UNAWARE OF ANY NATIONAL ZOOS.



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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 07:00:17 AM »
Department of Transportation

ENDLESS SPENDING AND NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING. 



United States Postal Service

RUNS AT A LOSS AND WOULD BE BETTER RUN BY UPS OR FEDEX



Department of Agriculture

SUBSIDIZES FARMERS NOT TO GROW FOOD.   



Department of Education

WASTE OF $$$ AND NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION.  EDUCATION WAS FAR BETTER BEFORE WE HAD THIS WASTEFUL AGENCY.


United States University System

OTHER THAN THE MILITARY ACADEMIES, I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.



National Institute of Health

WHAT DO THEY DO???



Center for Disease Control

IMPORTANT FUNCTION.



All National Parks

NOT A HUGE BUDGET ITEM



All National Zoos

I AM UNAWARE OF ANY NATIONAL ZOOS.






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) is an agency of the United States Department of Health and Human Services and is the primary agency of the United States government responsible for biomedical and health-related research. Its science and engineering counterpart is the National Science Foundation.
As of 2003, the Institutes are responsible for 28%—about $28 billion—of the total biomedical research funding spent annually in the U.S
., with most of the rest coming from industry.[1] The NIH is divided into two parts: the "Extramural" parts of NIH are responsible for the funding of biomedical research outside of NIH, while the "Intramural" parts of NIH conduct research. Intramural research is primarily conducted at the main campus in Bethesda in unincorporated Montgomery County, Maryland, and the surrounding communities. The National Institute of Aging and the National Institute on Drug Abuse are located in Baltimore, Maryland, and the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences is in Research Triangle, North Carolina. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases NIAID maintains Rocky Mountain Labs in Hamilton, Montana,[2] with an emphasis on virology.


The goal of NIH research is to acquire new knowledge to help prevent, detect, diagnose, and treat disease and disability, from the rarest genetic disorder to the common cold. The NIH mission is to uncover new knowledge that will lead to better health for everyone. NIH works toward that mission by: conducting research in its own laboratories; supporting the research of non-Federal scientists in universities, medical schools, hospitals, and research institutions throughout the country and abroad; helping in the training of research investigators; and fostering communication of medical and health sciences information.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 07:02:49 AM »
Why cant universities do this?

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2009, 07:05:25 AM »
Why cant universities do this?
They already do.  That requires tax money as well.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2009, 07:07:04 AM »
Chris,

Would you like me to address the other agencies?

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009, 07:07:49 AM »
They already do.  That requires tax money as well.

Fine, but with Federal employees, we get saddled with pensions, costs, red tape, CSEA, etc.

  

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 06:52:48 AM »
Busted, I don't spend much time on this board but I think I read you said you work for 2 companies.  Do you own them?

bump in case Busted missed this question
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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 06:57:56 AM »
You don't want to socialise university education, believe me I know from first hand experience.
I hate the State.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2009, 07:01:41 AM »
Peter Schiff has a great piece on his youtube channel at how the Ferderal Govt's involvement in college has only sent costs skyrocketing with no real improvement in quality. 

 

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2009, 07:03:50 AM »
Peter Schiff has a great piece on his youtube channel at how the Ferderal Govt's involvement in college has only sent costs skyrocketing with no real improvement in quality. 

 

I am talking about having gone through the French and German system where you pay next to nothing; I got a much better education in the US despite the ripoff price...
I hate the State.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2009, 07:07:14 AM »
Peter Schiff has a great piece on his youtube channel at how the Ferderal Govt's involvement in college has only sent costs skyrocketing with no real improvement in quality. 

 
Quality eh?

You can`t really do much with people who are blind to Science and cannot understand a fact or comprehend the context of it, or know what a credible source entails and where to find them.


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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2009, 07:08:41 AM »
I am talking about having gone through the French and German system where you pay next to nothing; I got a much better education in the US despite the ripoff price...

His point is that the huge availability of loans lets the schools drive the tution to whatever prices because they know students can borrow and go into debt to pay for it. 

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2009, 07:09:18 AM »
Quality eh?

You can`t really do much with people who are blind to Science and cannot understand a fact or comprehend the context of it, or know what a credible source entails and where to find them.



So now you know more than Peter Schiff?

 

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2009, 07:21:49 AM »
So now you know more than Peter Schiff?

 
I am sure that I know many things he does not and he knows many things I do not.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2009, 07:23:34 AM »
I am sure that I know many things he does not and he knows many things I do not.

Ok, the topic is economics.  Maybe you know more about diet, etc, but I will bet everything I have that he knows far more than you on economics.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2009, 07:26:05 AM »
I am sure that I know many things he does not and he knows many things I do not.



Listen to his April 15, 2009 piece called Wall Street unspun and tell me what he is wrong about.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2009, 07:32:27 AM »
His point is that the huge availability of loans lets the schools drive the tution to whatever prices because they know students can borrow and go into debt to pay for it. 
I have been saying that for a long time regarding student loans. Corporations and Employers LOVE when they get someone who has an outstanding student loan.  They know they are not going anywhere and will be good little obedient workers.  It should not take any loan to want to learn a fact.  In fact, it should be free.  George Washington`s dream was a free National University system with the first one built in Washington DC with the money left in his will.  Sadly it has never been realized.


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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2009, 07:43:22 AM »
Its called debt slavery.  These college kids dont know a damn thing about finance when they take on these massive loans to get educated and then are screwed for life.

Its really sad.  I could not imagine being 23 y/o right now owing 150k for loans. 

Peter Schiff calls it the mortgage without a house.

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2009, 07:51:10 AM »
Did I miss something?

Nobody is arguing there should be NO taxes. Basic services such as Police, Fire, Sanitation and the like are essential features of any functioning society- and everyone should contribute their FAIR share.

What people object to is a massive hike on taxes to pay for things that are a waste of money, forcing some people to pay high taxes while others pay none and the concept of "spreading the wealth" and class warfare being espoused by the Obama administration. Being penalized for success is something no President should stand for.

Further, people complain about socialism when 40 million+ illegals who pay no taxes drain the services our tax dollars pay for, while many Americans can't afford to pay for basic necessities. Also, throw in the fact that more than half the country pays little to no taxes at all and it's beyond socialism, its the poor parasites leeching off of society's productive members.

Pointing out a bunch of random government departments which are by and large useful to the country is totally irrelevant to the gripes people have with Obama.

Also- Statewide taxes have increased exponentially as several states are on the verge of bankruptcy- NY, CA, MI, etc. etc.-- Why are they on the verge of bankruptcy? Because of too many useless, wasteful and cash hemorrhaging social programs, higher business and corporate tax rates and entitlements passed in legislation by incompetent politicians. Socialism does not work- Raising taxes in the middle of a recession will not work*

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2009, 08:44:31 AM »
Yes I do...  I own one Business free and clear and the other one I have a business partner...

Busted, I don't spend much time on this board but I think I read you said you work for 2 companies.  Do you own them?

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Re: Anti Socialist Hypocrites..
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2009, 08:45:16 AM »
Did I miss something?

Nobody is arguing there should be NO taxes. Basic services such as Police, Fire, Sanitation and the like are essential features of any functioning society- and everyone should contribute their FAIR share.

What people object to is a massive hike on taxes to pay for things that are a waste of money, forcing some people to pay high taxes while others pay none and the concept of "spreading the wealth" and class warfare being espoused by the Obama administration. Being penalized for success is something no President should stand for.

Further, people complain about socialism when 40 million+ illegals who pay no taxes drain the services our tax dollars pay for, while many Americans can't afford to pay for basic necessities. Also, throw in the fact that more than half the country pays little to no taxes at all and it's beyond socialism, its the poor parasites leeching off of society's productive members.

Pointing out a bunch of random government departments which are by and large useful to the country is totally irrelevant to the gripes people have with Obama.

Also- Statewide taxes have increased exponentially as several states are on the verge of bankruptcy- NY, CA, MI, etc. etc.-- Why are they on the verge of bankruptcy? Because of too many useless, wasteful and cash hemorrhaging social programs, higher business and corporate tax rates and entitlements passed in legislation by incompetent politicians. Socialism does not work- Raising taxes in the middle of a recession will not work*


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