How we fat/obese people got fat/obese...

[wavelength]

Yes. This is a board about softcore male porn BBing, and since Debussey has never trained, it needs to learn from the best before getting started. So spill the beans bozo

Can't remember all the sites, but 3 of them were upper chest, lower abs and quads, I think. It was an electronic device which calculated bodyfat automatically.

[The Master]

Can't remember all the sites, but 3 of them were upper chest, lower abs and quads, I think. It was an electronic device which calculated bodyfat automatically.

Seems like you got fucked off

[wavelength]

Seems like you got fucked off

how so?

[The Master]

how so?

Because Debussey said so

[wavelength]

Because Debussey said so

damn, too obvious again

[The Master]

damn, too obvious again

 

[wavelength]

don't worry about it, I'm a little drunk already, I can't be taken seriously in this stage

[The Master]

don't worry about it, I'm a little drunk already, I can't be taken seriously in this stage

Do not compute. Do not compute. 52IQ computing error. 52IQ computing error.

[Deicide]

Before I started training maybe 20%.
In my training years maybe around 15%:

And I always stayed fat, lifting or not.  You have a good metabolism compared to mine.

[The Master]

And I always stayed fat, lifting or not.  You have a good metabolism compared to mine.

Do not worry. You are still Debussey's special little friend

[Deicide]

Do not worry. You are still Debussey's special little friend

Maybe but I am sick and tired of being fat. Granted I only started to diet seriously about two weeks ago so maybe I just need patience. It's not like I will SEE a .5-1 kg loss on my body, no?

[The Master]

Maybe but I am sick and tired of being fat. Granted I only started to diet seriously about two weeks ago so maybe I just need patience. It's not like I will SEE a .5-1 kg loss on my body, no?

No, the progress will often be very difficult to see for a long time for yourself, so you should definitely write down your daily weight, and measure your waist, thighs and other key areas every week (and perhaps also a caliper). Log all the results in a spreadsheet, and keep track of your progress. This way you can also more easily see if the diet you = using = giving the desired results.

[dr.chimps]

Maybe but I am sick and tired of being fat. Granted I only started to diet seriously about two weeks ago so maybe I just need patience. It's not like I will SEE a .5-1 kg loss on my body, no?

I always found that when losing weight, time was non-linear. I'd go to about 3-4 weeks before noticing anything and then it just seems to wash off me. In fact, the the first time it got away from me and I ended up losing way to much. Keep up the effort. It's already happening.

[The Master]

I always found that when losing weight, time was non-linear. I'd go to about 3-4 weeks before noticing anything and then it just seems to wash off me. In fact, the the first time it got away from me and I ended up losing way to much. Keep up the effort. It's already happening.

  Did you eat the exact same stuff at least 6 days per week when doing this? Debussey has found (hypotetically of course, since Debussey does not diet) that weight loss = practically linear when Debussey's got data for more than 10 days. For a 3+month diet, the weight loss graphed = practically a straight line.

Are you a mutant or something?

[Camel Jockey]

Well, I am certainly not going to defend myself, fully recognising my inferiority...

I don't understand this at all as you've always come across to me as someone of great discipline.

I was a little chubby in highschool but I changed my eating habits and started working out and leaned out. Went from a 36 waist size to 32 now which is loose but 30 would be tight. I struggled with the first few months but I was consistent enough, and by the time when I was 17 I was not fat anymore.

Most people who say they're dieting and exercising honestly don't do it properly or do it half assed, and when they fail they blame metabolism and genetics. It's a process that requires self motivation each and everyday. Granted, when you are obese it can be tough but it can still be done with patience and consistency.

Weight loss to me is more of a life style thing than strict dieting. I've found that calorie counting with decent protein intake = best for people who lift, and also doing cardio to the point where you burn 400-500 calories a day helps a lot. Today I had a gyro which was probably 650 cals and oats amounting to 260 cals with a glass of whole milk which I measured at 150. I burned 300 calories on the elliptical. I probably eat one more meal totaling 500-600 calories and I should be fine for the day. This is what I've been doing and I've maintained my strength, increased endurance and have gotten leaner. This is a plan anyone can follow, even those with busy schedules.

[dr.chimps]

Did you eat the exact same stuff at least 6 days per week when doing this? Debussey has found (hypotetically of course, since Debussey does not diet) that weight loss = practically linear when Debussey's got data for more than 10 days. For a 3+month diet, the weight loss graphed = practically a straight line.

Are you a mutant or something?

Hmm. It's been a while since I last dieted but I'd say yes. Pretty much the same food every day with one big cheat day. After three weeks or so, and I hadn't noticed anything, I was pretty pissed. And then it seemed that every time I put my pants on, I had to go one hole smaller on the belt. Maybe my body needs a lot of convincing.

[The Master]

Hmm. It's been a while since I last dieted but I'd say yes. Pretty much the same food every day with one big cheat day. After three weeks or so, and I hadn't noticed anything, I was pretty pissed. And then it seemed that every time I put my pants on, I had to go one hole smaller on the belt. Maybe my body needs a lot of convincing.

Interesting.

[Deicide]

I always found that when losing weight, time was non-linear. I'd go to about 3-4 weeks before noticing anything and then it just seems to wash off me. In fact, the the first time it got away from me and I ended up losing way to much. Keep up the effort. It's already happening.

Thanks doc for the encouraging words. I think you are right. Just keep doing what I am doing; eating clean, low calorie, cardio and weight training; it's gotta happen. 

[Deicide]

Interesting.

Being a mathematician you are precise about everything; I write the calories down and that is about it.

[dr.chimps]

Thanks doc for the encouraging words. I think you are right. Just keep doing what I am doing; eating clean, low calorie, cardio and weight training; it's gotta happen. 

And if things get really tetchy for you, just buy one of those weight drug things like Cytolean or Lipo 6 and load that with a good dose of ephedrine x2 a day.    

[Deicide]

I don't understand this at all as you've always come across to me as someone of great discipline.

I was a little chubby in highschool but I changed my eating habits and started working out and leaned out. Went from a 36 waist size to 32 now which is loose but 30 would be tight. I struggled with the first few months but I was consistent enough, and by the time when I was 17 I was not fat anymore.

Most people who say they're dieting and exercising honestly don't do it properly or do it half assed, and when they fail they blame metabolism and genetics. It's a process that requires self motivation each and everyday. Granted, when you are obese it can be tough but it can still be done with patience and consistency.

Weight loss to me is more of a life style thing than strict dieting. I've found that calorie counting with decent protein intake = best for people who lift, and also doing cardio to the point where you burn 400-500 calories a day helps a lot. Today I had a gyro which was probably 650 cals and oats amounting to 260 cals with a glass of whole milk which I measured at 150. I burned 300 calories on the elliptical. I probably eat one more meal totaling 500-600 calories and I should be fine for the day. This is what I've been doing and I've maintained my strength, increased endurance and have gotten leaner. This is a plan anyone can follow, even those with busy schedules.

You just highlighted my point. Early. That is important.

[The Master]

Being a mathematician you are precise about everything; I write the calories down and that is about it.

What are you talking about? Debussey = a retard living in a mental asylum, too retarded to graduate junior high

In a hypothetical situation of dieting, Debussey would preplan the exact calories and the macronutrient breakdown, and then make a diet that would contain these exact numbers. Then Debussey would measure all the food it ate every day during the diet with a gram weight (during the food preparation phase in the morning) to ensure that the diet = followed, and then allow for one or two cheatmeals per week of up to 500 calories (usually two cheatmeals once the diet had been going on for a while).

This strategy probably explains why Debussey's hypothetical weightloss = almost linear in nature, because other factors that influence weight (salt for example) would not vary that much since every gram of food = accounted for.

In order to succeed with pursuits like this, you need to become a robot that follows the computer program to the binary code.

[Deicide]

What are you talking about? Debussey = a retard living in a mental asylum, too retarded to graduate junior high

In a hypothetical situation of dieting, Debussey would preplan the exact calories and the macronutrient breakdown, and then make a diet that would contain these exact numbers. Then Debussey would measure all the food it ate every day during the diet with a gram weight (during the food preparation phase in the morning) to ensure that the diet = followed, and then allow for one or two cheatmeals per week of up to 500 calories.
This strategy probably explains why Debussey's hypothetical weightloss = almost linear in nature, because other factors that influence weight (salt for example) would not vary that much since every gram of food = accounted for.

In order to succeed with pursuits like this, you need to become a robot that follows the computer program to the binary code.

Well I figure I have at least 13, probably more like 15 or 16 kg to lose so for the beginning I will just count calories.

[dr.chimps]

one or two cheatmeals per week of up to 500 calories.

LOL. My cheat meals/days were more like 5,000 cals.  

[Camel Jockey]

You just highlighted my point. Early. That is important.

Stick to what you are doing and gradually it will come.

I do not count calories exactly per say, but I have a decent grasp of how much a certain portion of food contains.

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