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Re: Chins
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2009, 01:00:02 PM »
Chins are a real bugger for me.

My bodyweight is around 18 stones (250) at about 30% b/f, and for my first chins set, I can manage only 11 reps. Second set, again a disappointing 11 good reps.

It's all about lever length, muscle density, bodyweight etc.


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Re: Chins
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2009, 01:20:15 PM »
Alright, BB25, I'll bite.

Who or what are you rolling your eyes at?


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Re: Chins
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2009, 01:50:10 PM »
Alright, BB25, I'll bite.

Who or what are you rolling your eyes at?


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Re: Chins
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2009, 03:48:54 PM »
Apart from the fact that you are a - WANKER ??

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Re: Chins
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2009, 03:55:31 PM »
if you can't do at least 3 sets of 10 chins with just ur bodyweight u prolly shouldn't be lifting weights yet..........ur not strong enough to handle ur bw , why would u add resistance

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Re: Chins
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2009, 04:02:23 PM »
if you can't do at least 3 sets of 10 chins with just ur bodyweight u prolly shouldn't be lifting weights yet..........ur not strong enough to handle ur bw , why would u add resistance

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Re: Chins
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2009, 06:46:07 PM »
or have someone duct tape your hands to the bar and tell him not to take it off until you get 20 reps...or 15 reps, whatever the goal. Of course find someone you trust, because if he pulls a dick move and leaves you there, it'll be funny as hell but very embarrassing. But I like lovemonkey's advice too.

Nothing like whipping out a role of duct tape at the gym and having someone tape you to the freaking chin bar.  Oh brother.  Maybe just set the goal of not giving up till you get 20 reps, or use the assisted pull-up machine to build your strength.....then go for real chins.

Of course that not nearly as HARDCORE as duct taping yourself to a chin bar, lol.  I'm sorry dude, I had to call you out on that one.

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Re: Chins
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2009, 02:23:12 AM »
Apart from the fact that you are a - WANKER ??


Eh!? It's me yer talking to, ya kunt!

Is this wanker stuff about chins or something else?

Although ideally I'd manage more, I reckon two-times-eleven wide chins is pretty good going for a tub of shite like my good self.

I'm not too shabby elsewhere either.

How about a 410lb leg press?

Wanker indeed!

Keep it civil, Pillowcock, this ain't Panda yer talking to.


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Re: Chins
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2009, 03:18:24 AM »

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Re: Chins
« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2009, 03:51:38 AM »
Hey Nub Monster, I just noticed your 'x2' gambit after PT's wanker post.

Who the fuck are you to call me a wanker? Fuckin' Noob getting too big for his breeches or what?

C'mon you shitbags, is it the chins post, or are you conspiring to pull my chain?

Not to mention the fuckin' eye-rolling shite from BB25. I notice he's gone quiet too.

Not impressed.


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Re: Chins
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2009, 03:54:31 AM »
Hey Nub Monster, I just noticed your 'x2' gambit after PT's wanker post.

Who the fuck are you to call me a wanker? Fuckin' Noob getting too big for his breeches or what?

C'mon you shitbags, is it the chins post, or are you conspiring to pull my chain?

Not to mention the fuckin' eye-rolling shite from BB25. I notice he's gone quiet too.

Not impressed.


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Re: Chins
« Reply #61 on: April 28, 2009, 04:16:14 AM »
meltdown.
Is it a meltdownx2 if you're arguing with yourself!? Guy's a headcase.

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Re: Chins
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2009, 04:19:06 AM »
Is it a meltdownx2 if you're arguing with yourself!? Guy's a headcase.

I agree, and i have to say Alex23 has had gimmicks that were funnier.

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Re: Chins
« Reply #63 on: April 28, 2009, 05:02:33 AM »
Jesus, I'm getting a bit jaundiced with this meltdown-meltdown-meltdown shite. Thick Yank kuntz.

Doesn't anyone want to talk about chins anymore?

Fuck, is Panda out there? Maybe HE'LL talk about training.


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Re: Chins
« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2009, 05:18:40 AM »
magnus, try ladders - pavel talks alot about it:



"At the Texas SWAT Competition 2000, two officers from the Houston area told me that they had upped their pull-up max from 10 to 20 with the ‘I go, you go’ approach. Just like that." Pavel Tsatsouline, Milo magazine, December 2000

Pavel’s Ladder

Alternate approach to synaptic facilitation delivers more volume in less time

In "A Small Experiment with Chin-ups" (article No. 49), I related how Pavel Tsatsouline’s "grease the groove" technique allowed me to do the most chin-ups I’d done since high school. By doing multiple sets of chin-ups spread out over the course of the day, several days a week, I was able to work up to 20 full-range chin-ups. The theory is called synaptic facilitation, which simply means doing frequent, non-exhaustive sets of a specific exercise to strengthen the nerve pathway. Bulgarian and Russian Olympic weightlifters have been using the method for years to beat the pants off the rest of the world. The problem is scheduling time to do many sets of an exercise throughout the day. It’s just not practical for most people.

That’s why I was excited to find an article by Pavel in the December 2000 issue of Milo magazine explaining "how to grease the groove on a tight schedule." He says it’s a method used by the Soviet Special Forces to meet the Spetsnaz requirement of 18 dead hang pull-ups wearing a 10-kilo (22 pound) bullet-proof vest. I tried it and it seems to work – with much less training time. It allowed me to reduce my chin-up sessions to one or two a day, and more then double my reps, while still staying fresh.

Here’s how Pavel describes the technique used by special forces personnel to work pull-ups into their busy classroom and training schedule: "We would file out to the pull-up bars and perform what we called ladders. I do a pull-up, you do one. I do two, you match me, etc. until one of us cannot keep up. Then, if we still had time, we started over. One rep, 2 reps, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,... 1,2,3,4,5. We totaled hundreds of pull-ups almost daily without burning out, and the extreme PT tests of our service were a breeze."

If you train alone, you can simply time your breaks by estimating how long it would take a partner to match your reps. That’s what I do, and it works fine. In fact, Pavel says it’s better that way, because "your odds of burning out are lower." To maximize volume without overtraining, you should stop each ladder one or two reps short of your limit. In other words, if you can work up to 10 reps at the top of the ladder, it’s best to stop at about 8, and then begin at 1 again. The non-competitive approach allows you to stop at a preset number that suits your capacity, not that of your partner.

The beauty of the technique is that you get a break each time you return to the bottom rung, which allows you to do more total reps. If you tried to do repeated limit sets or used the pyramid approach (1,2,3,4,5, 6,7,8,9,10, 9,8,7,6,5...), for example, fatigue would build much faster and volume would be compromised. As Pavel says, "The ladder, on the other hand, enables the strong man to grease the groove of his chosen feat with extraordinary volume."

I’ve found that to be true. During the experiment described in my earlier article, I generally did sets of 12 or 13, for about 50 total reps a day. Using the ladder technique, I can easily do 150 chin-ups in two sessions lasting a little over 15 minutes each, or occasionally in one session of about 35 minutes. ( I generally do chin-ups only two days a week, because I don’t want to interfere with my regular training sessions.) Ladders are obviously a more efficient use of one’s time, and they give your synapses plenty of work. As Pavel says, they allow more volume, without burnout, than any other structure.

I haven’t tried for a new PR, but if Pavel’s "high-volume plus specificity minus burnout" principle works as well as he says, it shouldn’t be long before I am doing more than 20 chin-ups or, better yet, working my way up to the Spetsnaz requirement of 18 chin-ups with a 10-kilo plate attached.

Give it a try, and let me know what happens. You’ll have fun, and you may be surprised at what you can accomplish.

Thanks to Pavel and his commandoes for the tip.



on a personal note - i've never had any problems with chins. If i wanted more i found eating lots of chinese food made them increase without even trying  ;D

Damy - i think that is very respectable reps at your weight and bf.
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Re: Chins
« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2009, 05:51:40 AM »
Panda, with respect, I'm a qualified fitness coach, and I can tell you that everything you've typed/pasted above is guff.

It blows me away how people are prepared to listen to and credit anyone with a big enough mouth and enough arrogance to sell themselves as an expert.

Scrape away all the horseshit, you are always left with the fact that you can either do lots of chins or you can't. You included. If everyone could do lots of chins given a little practice and some self-trickery, there'd be no need for pulldowns at all, so why invent the wide cambered bar?

Exactly how much progress have you made in the chin-reps department in say the past couple of years?


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Re: Chins
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2009, 06:03:36 AM »
Panda, with respect, I'm a qualified fitness coach, and I can tell you that everything you've typed/pasted above is guff.

It blows me away how people are prepared to listen to and credit anyone with a big enough mouth and enough arrogance to sell themselves as an expert.

Scrape away all the horseshit, you are always left with the fact that you can either do lots of chins or you can't. You included. If everyone could do lots of chins given a little practice and some self-trickery, there'd be no need for pulldowns at all, so why invent the wide cambered bar?

Exactly how much progress have you made in the chin-reps department in say the past couple of years?


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Chins are a real bugger for me.

My bodyweight is around 18 stones (250) at about 30% b/f, and for my first chins set, I can manage only 11 reps. Second set, again a disappointing 11 good reps.

It's all about lever length, muscle density, bodyweight etc.


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Re: Chins
« Reply #67 on: April 28, 2009, 06:10:12 AM »
good job DK

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Re: Chins
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2009, 06:12:24 AM »
good job DK

Well, it's not impossible, he could have gotten fat....

But i just LOVE the explanation "I'm a QUALIFIED fitness coach"! And if the "Fitness coach" sits at 30% bf (it's the internet, that means you can add 10% to all bf%s given) i'd say he's a fat slob.

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Re: Chins
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2009, 06:14:15 AM »
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Don't forget his spelling Fawlty Towers, F-A-U-L-T-Y.  So much BS and too many gimmicks. Guy must be posting from a rubber room.

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Re: Chins
« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2009, 06:21:17 AM »
Don't forget his spelling Fawlty Towers, F-A-U-L-T-Y.  So much BS and too many gimmicks. Guy must be posting from a rubber room.

he'll melt down in an instant again...

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Re: Chins
« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2009, 06:26:17 AM »
he'll melt down in an instant again...
I'm sure his inability to remain in a solid state is due to Blacks and Jews.    ::)

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Re: Chins
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2009, 06:27:35 AM »
Two words: pull DOWNS.

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Re: Chins
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2009, 06:59:51 AM »
Don't forget his spelling Fawlty Towers, F-A-U-L-T-Y.  So much BS and too many gimmicks. Guy must be posting from a rubber room.


Check your work, asshole. That sure as hell wasn't me.


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Re: Chins
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2009, 07:07:59 AM »

Check your work, asshole. That sure as hell wasn't me.
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Just another gimmick of yours. Asshole, eh! Is that a step up or down from Wanker.   ::)