Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA

[IFBBwannaB]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

The Nuremberg holdings are still good law to this day.

Hey there fucking Arab Nazi, please go fuck yourself.

Supporting this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws  = mega troll.

[Busted]

This whole thread is a lie... The damn "threat they stopped in LA" turns out to be a lie... The guy they claimed told him about this.. wasnt arrested for almost 6 months after they claimed this was going to happen... sum bags..

[tu_holmes]

LOL you equate waterboarding to cuting the heads of ppl, suicide bombings, killing innocents and using innocents to hide behind, using mentally diaabled and children to harm ppl and this is a far leap for you? hahahah wow

No I equate our ability to be better than them in all instances... You're talking about murder, I'm talking about torture... I hate to mention it, but they are two different things.

Yes, those people are wrong, but we're not "less wrong" because we use torture against those people we consider evil.

We're just as wrong, just about something different... For a group of people who consider themselves Christians, the Christians are acting the least Christian among us about this.

[IFBBwannaB]

No I equate our ability to be better than them in all instances... You're talking about murder, I'm talking about torture... I hate to mention it, but they are two different things.

Yes, those people are wrong, but we're not "less wrong" because we use torture against those people we consider evil.

We're just as wrong, just about something different... For a group of people who consider themselves Christians, the Christians are acting the least Christian among us about this.

By your logic we will fall into anarchy, do you realise that the Police and Military are purely violent entities?
You follow the law because you fear the violent action of the Police, no one goes to jail just because he agree with the law it's because he knows he will get dragged in anyway if he wouldn't want to.

The fear and the usage of violence is a mandatory part of a lawful society.

[tu_holmes]

By your logic we will fall into anarchy, do you realise that the Police and Military are purely violent entities?
You follow the law because you fear the violent action of the Police, no one goes to jail just because he agree with the law it's because he knows he will get dragged in anyway if he wouldn't want to.

The fear and the usage of violence is a mandatory part of a lawful society.

I disagree... I think most people do not commit certain acts because they know it is wrong and have been taught correctly by society as a whole.

You disagree and that's fine, but don't hold me to your standard... I don't rape or kill because I know it's wrong, not because I'm afraid of what the Police may do or think.

[IFBBwannaB]

I disagree... I think most people do not commit certain acts because they know it is wrong and have been taught correctly by society as a whole.

You disagree and that's fine, but don't hold me to your standard... I don't rape or kill because I know it's wrong, not because I'm afraid of what the Police may do or think.

You take it to the extreme on your specific case, but I'm sure that you would love to pay a little less tax, drive a little bit faster and so on. There are plenty of laws who we disagree completely with or partly and we uphold them because of fear and not because we support them.

You as such a big Bush hater should know that very well, you didn't agree with everything he brought to the table but followed it because he is the President and the law support him but mostly because you knew that you would get kicked by Police officers if you didn't, it might not be conscious but that fear is in everyone of us just like you fear fire you fear the retribution of the law.

[tu_holmes]

You take it to the extreme on your specific case, but I'm sure that you would love to pay a little less tax, drive a little bit faster and so on. There are plenty of laws who we disagree completely with or partly and we uphold them because of fear and not because we support them.

You as such a big Bush hater should know that very well, you didn't agree with everything he brought to the table but followed it because he is the President and the law support him but mostly because you knew that you would get kicked by Police officers if you didn't, it might not be conscious but that fear is in everyone of us just like you fear fire you fear the retribution of the law.

Sure there are laws I disagree with... So what... I do obey them... not because of fear though... I just believe in Society making the laws and people should follow them.

If there is a law I truly don't believe in... I just break it... I have no fear of the police as you put it.

I don't know how you can say "I hate Bush"... I do not... I think he was a terrible President... but hating him is quite beyond my realm of thought.

You are still holding me to your standard... You can not do that... Everyone does not think like you.

[IFBBwannaB]

If there is a law I truly don't believe in... I just break it... I have no fear of the police as you put it.

If the punishment will be severe enough and enforced commonly enough you will not break a law that you don't disagree with, don't bullshit us just to get your point across.

And I don't hold you or me to any standart it just basic physiology and logic, if tomorrow a new law will determine that driving on a highway is limited at 30mph and a 10 year jail time you will not do it, the risk vs reward will be too great.

The exception to that rule is breaking the law as an act of defiance and trying to create some political change, otherwise, regular law obeying citizens obey the law mostly due to fear.

Don't mix it up with laws that you think they are sensible and you obey them because you agree with them.

[tu_holmes]

If the punishment will be severe enough and enforced commonly enough you will not break a law that you don't disagree with, don't bullshit us just to get your point across.

And I don't hold you or me to any standart it just basic physiology and logic, if tomorrow a new law will determine that driving on a highway is limited at 30mph and a 10 year jail time you will not do it, the risk vs reward will be too great.

The exception to that rule is breaking the law as an act of defiance and trying to create some political change, otherwise, regular law obeying citizens obey the law mostly due to fear.

Don't mix it up with laws that you think they are sensible and you obey them because you agree with them.

Sorry dude... I just think people are generally good at heart and don't do things because they think they're wrong.

I don't believe fear is the reason... We will disagree on this.

[loco]

"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." - James Madison

[IFBBwannaB]

Sorry dude... I just think people are generally good at heart and don't do things because they think they're wrong.

I don't believe fear is the reason... We will disagree on this.

Even if we take your (to be honest sanctimonious approach) it will still not contradict the fact that the Police and Military are purely violent entities and base their power on their option to legally use extreme violence.

[tu_holmes]

Even if we take your (to be honest sanctimonious approach) it will still not contradict the fact that the Police and Military are purely violent entities and base their power on their option to legally use extreme violence.

I agree with that statement. I don't particularly like the police... I understand the need for military powers, but I see them as two different entities and requirements.

[IFBBwannaB]

I agree with that statement. I don't particularly like the police... I understand the need for military powers, but I see them as two different entities and requirements.

Well that was the original statement that you went off topic from and brought yourself as an example to contradict 

I didn't said they were the same but they both base their power on the same principle.

[Decker]

Hey there fucking Arab Nazi, please go fuck yourself.

Supporting this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws  = mega troll.

Some day you'll thank me.

Torture is wrong.  Torture is illegal.

Bush's use of torture was not to elicit some life-saving information from suspected terrorists.

Bush ordered the torture to get 'confessions' that would support his illegal war:  Hussein's ties to Al Qaeda, Iraqi terror plots etc. 

Why do you think some guys were tortured 180+ times?  The torture continued until the inquisitor got what he wanted.

Don't you see that?

Of course you don't.  You buy into the party line that torture is a fine way to treat an untried person.

As for calling me a Nazi, remember the company you keep with your defense of torture.  It ain't the USA.






And your post makes no sense again.

[Decker]

Obama is still campaigning.  I can honestly say I'm concerned about the safety of our country given what he has done so far.  I saw a bumper sticker the other day:

OneBigA**MistakeAmerica

Obama will bring socialism to America and destroy our country.

Why he'll bring us to the precipice of financial collapse.

He'll start things he can't possibly pay for...

Oh, wait, we already have those things under your Bush-capitalist system.

Come on Beach Bum, give Obama a chance.

[headhuntersix]

...to destroy the country completely...i finished for u Decker.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama will bring socialism to America and destroy our country.

Why he'll bring us to the precipice of financial collapse.

He'll start things he can't possibly pay for...

Oh, wait, we already have those things under your Bush-capitalist system.

Come on Beach Bum, give Obama a chance.

You are right in one respect.

Bush is responsible for ushering in the bailouts and chaos we see right now.  However, Obama picked up the ball and sprinted with it.

[IFBBwannaB]

Some day you'll thank me.

Torture is wrong.  Torture is illegal.

Bush's use of torture was not to elicit some life-saving information from suspected terrorists.

Bush ordered the torture to get 'confessions' that would support his illegal war:  Hussein's ties to Al Qaeda, Iraqi terror plots etc. 

Why do you think some guys were tortured 180+ times?  The torture continued until the inquisitor got what he wanted.

Don't you see that?

Of course you don't.  You buy into the party line that torture is a fine way to treat an untried person.

As for calling me a Nazi, remember the company you keep with your defense of torture.  It ain't the USA.






And your post makes no sense again.

1.Supporting the Nuremberg laws makes your post nothing but wasted bytes.

2.Your logic that all laws are the absolute truth and will always stay that way make you seem even more idiotic, see #1.

[Decker]

1.Supporting the Nuremberg laws makes your post nothing but wasted bytes.

2.Your logic that all laws are the absolute truth and will always stay that way make you seem even more idiotic, see #1.

I thought George Whorewell was sophomoric with his criticism.

You put him to shame.

You don't even pretend to make a coherent argument.

Nothing personal, but you are about the dumbest person I've encountered on this board. 

Like I said, don't take that personally.

[IFBBwannaB]

I thought George Whorewell was sophomoric with his criticism.

You put him to shame.

You don't even pretend to make a coherent argument.

Nothing personal, but you are about the dumbest person I've encountered on this board. 

Like I said, don't take that personally.

 

[Dos Equis]

Obama will bring socialism to America and destroy our country.

Why he'll bring us to the precipice of financial collapse.

He'll start things he can't possibly pay for...

Dude you're a prophet.  I hope you're wrong. 

[tu_holmes]

Well that was the original statement that you went off topic from and brought yourself as an example to contradict 

I didn't said they were the same but they both base their power on the same principle.

No... My statement was that people do not obey laws because they are scared.

I made no other statement about the topic.

[IFBBwannaB]

No... My statement was that people do not obey laws because they are scared.

I made no other statement about the topic.

If that was true we would be living in a much better world, too bad reality wants to take part in this too.

[tu_holmes]

If that was true we would be living in a much better world, too bad reality wants to take part in this too.

I think that's simply the "vocal minority" if you will.

If everyone was just evil, then if wouldn't matter how much military or police you had... They couldn't stop the rampage.

[Soul Crusher]

BUMP