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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Taliban militants who implemented Islamic law in Pakistan's violence-plagued Swat Valley last week have now taken control of a neighboring district.

Control of the Buner district brings the Taliban closer to the capital, Islamabad, than they have been since they started their insurgency. Islamabad is 60 miles (96 km) from the district.

"Our strength is in the hundreds," said Moulana Mohammad Khalil, as heavily armed men openly patrolled the roads in pickup trucks, singing Islamic anthems.

The militants had taken control of the area to ensure that Islamic law, or sharia, is properly imposed, Khalil said.

The government called the advance into Buner a breach of a recently-signed peace agreement.

"Now Taliban are violating the peace agreement, and if they continue the government will take strict action and not allow the Taliban to create a parallel government in that area," said Mian Iftikhar, a spokesman for the regional administration in the North West Frontier Province, where Buner is located.

Last week, the Taliban imposed sharia law in Swat Valley as part of a peace deal with the government. Under the Taliban's strict interpretation, the law prevents women from being seen in public without their husbands or fathers.

Earlier this month, the militant movement made forays into Buner and clashed with locals before withdrawing.

Now the Taliban appear to have returned in force -- a move that indicates the recent government concessions may have emboldened the militants to expand their reach.

The Pakistani government appears unable or unwilling to stop the Taliban's steady advance deeper into the territory of this nuclear-armed country.

In the days after the government's April 13 decision to implement sharia law in Swat, pro-Taliban clerics have staged rallies in Swat and Islamabad. They have demanded the imposition of Islamic law across Pakistan and beyond.

Speaking before an audience of tens of thousands in the Swat Valley town of Mingora on Sunday, cleric Sufi Muhammed declared democracy and Pakistan's judicial system "un-Islamic."


A Taliban spokesman in Swat went a step further Tuesday, calling anyone opposed to his strict interpretation of Islam a non-Muslim. IReport:Should the U.S. interfere in Pakistan?

"Let the judges and the lawyers go to Islamic university," Muslim Khan said. After "they learn Islamic rules, Islamic regulation, they can continue to work."

The rise of the Taliban in Swat has alarmed and frightened some members of local civil society there.

"This is a time bomb for the country," said Aftab Alam, the head of the lawyers' association in Swat district.

Meanwhile, in another Taliban-run region called Orakzai, details emerged of militants forcing a small community of Sikhs to pay a jaziya, or "minority tax," of 10.5 million rupees (roughly $18,000) earlier this month.
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Khan said if his vision of an Islamic society is fulfilled in Pakistan, terror mastermind Osama Bin Laden will be welcome to travel and live openly here. "Sure, he's a Muslim, he can go anywhere," Khan said.

Khan added that he would like to see sharia law implemented beyond Pakistan, even in America, a country he knows intimately. For four years, the Taliban spokesman lived in the United States, working as a painter near Boston, Massachusetts.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/22/pakistan.taliban/index.html




Pretty obvious these nutjobs won't stop until Sharia Law is implemented across the entire planet.


This thread has fuck all to do with HH6's Hugo, so if you're going to bury it in another thread, then I expect that you'll do the same for all the other threads with similar topics.



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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 06:43:33 AM »
 ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistani authorities on Thursday deployed paramilitary troops to a district, only 96 kilometers (60 miles) from the capital, where Taliban militants appeared to be consolidating control after this week's land-grab.
Pakistan has deployed paramilitary troops to a district taken over by the Taliban.

Pakistan has deployed paramilitary troops to a district taken over by the Taliban.

Militants locked up courthouses and seized court documents in the district of Buner, said police Superintendent Arsala Khan.

However, a highly placed Buner official said the judges left voluntarily after meeting with Taliban leaders.

A van carrying Frontier Corps paramilitary troops through the district came under fire Thursday. One police official was killed and another wounded, authorities said.

The troops were sent to protect civilians and properties, said Maj. Gen Athar Abbas, spokesman for Pakistan's military.

He said the government was monitoring the situation closely, and talks were under way among community elders, the civilian administration and the Taliban.

"Taliban is only in control of 25 percent of Buner district," Abbas said. "The Taliban will either move out or they'll be thrown out, one way or another."

The militant group's leaders met with community elders and the civilian administration Thursday and agreed that its members will not move about openly with guns nor will they disturb police, courts, schools, hospitals or non-governmental organizations.

The takeover of Buner brings the Taliban closer to the capital, Islamabad, than it has been since the insurgency started.

The Taliban commander in Buner, Mowlana Mohammed Khalil, gave a statement before Pakistani television cameras Wednesday, appearing with his face hidden behind a cloth mask.

"We came here only to preach Islam," Khalil said. He added that his fighters were carrying weapons only because they were an important symbol for Muslims.

The militants said they took control of the Buner district to ensure that Islamic law, or sharia, was properly imposed. The Pakistani government called the advance into the district a breach of a recently signed peace agreement.

Residents of Buner said the militants had set up checkpoints and were patrolling streets throughout the district.

Speaking by telephone from Buner on Wednesday night, Sardar Hussain Babik, education minister for the North West Frontier Province regional government, accused the militants of looting the offices of non-government organizations and stealing cars. Video Watch Clinton on Taliban threat »

"This is an open violation," Babik said. He said it was the government's duty to re-assert its authority in the region, and added that troops were being mustered to resist the Taliban.

"We are collecting from different parts of the province," he said.

A few hours' drive away, in the Pakistani capital, salesmen hawking Urdu newspapers in morning traffic on Thursday called out headlines over the din of car engines. IReport:Should the U.S. interfere in Pakistan?

"Taliban has entered Islamabad," a newsboy yelled.

On Wednesday, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Pakistan was in danger of falling into terrorist hands because of failed government policies, and called on Pakistani citizens and expatriates to voice more concern.

"I think that we cannot underscore the seriousness of the existential threat posed to the state of Pakistan by continuing advances, now within hours of Islamabad, that are being made by a loosely confederated group of terrorists and others who are seeking the overthrow of the Pakistani state, a nuclear-armed state," Clinton told the House Foreign Affairs Committee in her first appearance before Congress since being confirmed.

"I don't hear that kind of outrage and concern coming from enough people that would reverberate back within the highest echelons of the civilian and military leadership of Pakistan."

Mike Mullen, U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, was in Islamabad on Wednesday to meet with Pakistani officials.

Taliban militants implemented Islamic law in Pakistan's violence-plagued Swat Valley last week, before taking control of the neighboring Buner district. But Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, told CNN on Wednesday that the situation was not as dire as Clinton described.

"Yes, we have a challenge," Haqqani said. "But, no, we do not have a situation in which the government or the country of Pakistan is about to fall to the Taliban."

Taliban fighters moved into the Swat Valley as part of a peace deal with the government that has come under fire from U.S. observers. But Haqqani compared it to the deals U.S. commanders in Iraq made to peel insurgents away from Islamic jihadists blamed for the worst attacks on civilians there.

Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani said at a news briefing Thursday: "I want to explain to the West and Hillary Clinton about the agreement. ... The agreement is actually a very good thing. ... It brings two parties to an agreement based on mutual understanding."
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"We have to establish control of government in Malakand division," which includes Swat, he said. "If peace is not restored in that area [Malakand], certainly we have to review our policy."

"If there is an effort of Taliban-ization, we have the right to review our policy."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/23/pakistan.taliban.control.swat/index.html

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 07:15:09 AM »
This is really a very bad thing.  If there is some sort of uprising and the Paki government falls, nukes will fall into Taliban hands.

WTF?   Is going on there?  It look like the paki goverment is losing control of their country.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 07:18:09 AM »
This is really a very bad thing.  If there is some sort of uprising and the Paki government falls, nukes will fall into Taliban hands.

WTF?   Is going on there?  It look like the paki goverment is losing control of their country.
you aint lying if pakistan government fails US invades pakistan and we shouldnt fight with our hands tied this time there is to much at risk.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 07:20:35 AM »
you aint lying if pakistan government fails US invades pakistan and we shouldnt fight with our hands tied this time there is to much at risk.

We might not have too much to worry about going at it alone at least.  India also has vested interest in a stable Paki government.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 10:12:04 AM »
We might not have too much to worry about going at it alone at least.  India also has vested interest in a stable Paki government.
very true lol just turn those fuckers loose im sure they wont fight with their hands tied

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 10:16:11 AM »
haha i'm betting we already have the missiles pointed at whatever nuke facilities we'll be taking out in pakistan should the place fall under taleban rule.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 10:16:59 AM »
haha i'm betting we already have the missiles pointed at whatever nuke facilities we'll be taking out in pakistan should the place fall under taleban rule.
very true and we should hit them in the case that they make it there

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 08:49:03 PM »
anyone who thinks they can negotiate with the Taliban are crazy....they use negotiations as a tactic to appear moderate while they take over and kill the police and others who stand in their way....the Pakistan government is weak and scared.....

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 09:27:14 PM »
Hey, what a great time to be cutting the military budget huh?

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 09:39:16 PM »
Hey, what a great time to be cutting the military budget huh?
This is pretty frightening stuff. The implications of a nuclear armed Taliban is nightmarish. Unlike the Russians, who actually, didn't use them on us because they didn't want their own people destroyed....the Taliban lunatics welcome death. Great time to have an "Appeaser in Chief" in office.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 09:41:20 PM »
Yet Obama want to cut the military budget.....brilliant!!

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 09:41:58 PM »
This is pretty frightening stuff. The implications of a nuclear armed Taliban is nightmarish. Unlike the Russians, who actually, didn't use them on us because they didn't want their own people destroyed....the Taliban lunatics welcome death. Great time to have an "Appeaser in Chief" in office.
very scary indeed, like i said if they get close to it send some ppl in or just level the entire place and everything for a few square miles around it.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 09:49:46 PM »
Yet Obama want to cut the military budget.....brilliant!!
Well..Liberals seem to believe that our enemies only hate us because we're arrogant and that if we talk to them and see things from their side, they will stop being angry with us and start being our friends. Why would you need a miltary budget when all you have to do it negotiate with them. Once they see we're nice people, they won't attack us. Right? Now that they know we won't pour water on their heads anymore, they're really going to friendly.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 10:06:39 PM »
Hey, what a great time to be cutting the military budget huh?

wait, I thought Obama was catching heat from the dems because he was actually spending MORE on the wars than Bush did?

80 billion $ more, I believe?

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2009, 10:28:11 PM »
Really, post a LEGIT link. Regardless he wants to cut the military budget by at least 25%.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2009, 10:31:12 PM »
God bless Israel and India

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2009, 10:50:31 PM »
Really, post a LEGIT link. Regardless he wants to cut the military budget by at least 25%.

Obama's adding 100,000 troops, much to the disdain of lib websites.
http://www.progressive.org/mp_ford011508

Just this week, Gates and Obama proposed increasing overall military size by 4%.  That's HUGE. 
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/04/09/obama-gates-propose-4-increase-in-defense-spending/

Joe, maybe you missed it the last 3 weeks as the liberal talking heads have been trashing obama nonstop for actualy INCREASING spending, instead of cutting it.


Barack Obama campaigned on a platform of increased defense spending.  True to his word, Obama's 2010 fiscal year budget calls for $527 billion in defense spending (not including the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan).  That is more than the U.S. allocated for defense in 2009 and equals what the Bush administration budgeted for 2010:

If enacted, that would be an 8 percent increase from the $487.7 billion allocated for fiscal 2009, and it would match what the Bush administration estimated last year for the Pentagon in fiscal 2010.



Joe,

Obama is outspending Bush by 8% and adding 4% more men than Bush did.

Will you accept that - surprise - Obama's actually NOT cutting defense spending? 

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2009, 10:52:58 PM »
better yet, Joe, this FOX NEWS link will explain that repubs are mad that Obama is CUTTING the pentagon's bloated budget, and sending all that money (and a whole lot more) over to the troops so they have more guys having thier back, and more armor, better vehicles.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/30/defense-official-obama-calling-defense-budget-cuts/


So if you're pissed that he's giving LESS MONEY to bloated civilian govt programs, and MORE MONEY to the troops... well, then I have to wonder...

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2009, 10:57:08 PM »
Wonderful 240 in getting the facts out there.

I think the more we continually point out the facts and evidence, the more their irrationality dwindles and the less disinformation is spread.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2009, 11:11:21 PM »
Wonderful 240 in getting the facts out there.

I think the more we continually point out the facts and evidence, the more their irrationality dwindles and the less disinformation is spread.

I watch hannity most days.  I enjoy his show.

And he frequently attacks Obama for military spending.  Why?  Because in the primaries, Obama said he'd like to reduce military spending.

He would "like to".

I'd like to spend a weekend with eva longoria in tahiti.  it ain't happening, but i'd like to :)

He took office, ascertained the situation, and took Gates' advice on exactly what to do.  He slashed the bloated Pentagon budget, and he sent all that money - along with 100k more men and another big pile of money - to the troops overseas.

Is it working?  We lost NINE soldiers in iraq in March 09.  We lost 39, in march off 2008.  Daily total allied trop casualties are lower under Obama than Bush - for all of 2009.

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx


It's working, baby.  More money, more troops, and kicking more ass.  And less men are dying.  obama's actually winning this war, and losing less men, because he's making iraqis do their own street corner guarding.



The bottom line is that Obama is spending more money on our troops, and less $ on govt bloated civilian spending.  The former generals (who now coincidentally work for defense contractors) don't like this, as they like the private sector profits. 


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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2009, 08:26:34 AM »


Joe,

Obama is outspending Bush by 8% and adding 4% more men than Bush did.

Will you accept that - surprise - Obama's actually NOT cutting defense spending? 


The lie is dead Joe.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2009, 09:51:15 AM »
Actually Obama isn't spending as much as Bush.

Bush used  supplemental spending bills for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2002 to 2008.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0409/040909cdpm2.htm
The additional request, if approved, would bring this year's total to $151.4 billion - far less than the $187.7 billion appropriated in fiscal 2008 and the $171 billion approved for fiscal 2007.

As for casualty total in Iraq it was the surge not Obama that cause the totals to drop.

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
4-2009     4-2009     14     0     0     14     24     0.58
3-2009    3-2009    9    0    0    9    31    0.29
2-2009    2-2009    17    1    0    18    28    0.64
1-2009    1-2009    16    0    0    16    31    0.52
12-2008    12-2008    14    2    0    16    31    0.52
11-2008    11-2008    17    0    0    17    30    0.57
10-2008    10-2008    14    0    0    14    31    0.45
9-2008    9-2008    25    0    0    25    30    0.83
8-2008    8-2008    23    0    0    23    31    0.74
7-2008    7-2008    13    0    0    13    31    0.42
6-2008    6-2008    29    0    2    31    30    1.03
5-2008    5-2008    19    0    2    21    31    0.68

Looking deeper in the numbers many of these deaths are non-combat related.
Though tragic none the less.
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2009, 10:15:22 AM »
Actually Obama isn't spending as much as Bush.

Bush used  supplemental spending bills for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2002 to 2008.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0409/040909cdpm2.htm
The additional request, if approved, would bring this year's total to $151.4 billion - far less than the $187.7 billion appropriated in fiscal 2008 and the $171 billion approved for fiscal 2007.

As for casualty total in Iraq it was the surge not Obama that cause the totals to drop.

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
4-2009     4-2009     14     0     0     14     24     0.58
3-2009    3-2009    9    0    0    9    31    0.29
2-2009    2-2009    17    1    0    18    28    0.64
1-2009    1-2009    16    0    0    16    31    0.52
12-2008    12-2008    14    2    0    16    31    0.52
11-2008    11-2008    17    0    0    17    30    0.57
10-2008    10-2008    14    0    0    14    31    0.45
9-2008    9-2008    25    0    0    25    30    0.83
8-2008    8-2008    23    0    0    23    31    0.74
7-2008    7-2008    13    0    0    13    31    0.42
6-2008    6-2008    29    0    2    31    30    1.03
5-2008    5-2008    19    0    2    21    31    0.68

Looking deeper in the numbers many of these deaths are non-combat related.
Though tragic none the less.
uh, you are not using total Defense Spending.  You are Cherry Picking in an attempt to portray Obama as not a defense spender which in fact he is.

Barack Obama campaigned on a platform of increased defense spending.  True to his word, Obama's 2010 fiscal year budget calls for $527 billion in defense spending (not including the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan).  That is more than the U.S. allocated for defense in 2009 and equals what the Bush administration budgeted for 2010:

If enacted, that would be an 8 percent increase from the $487.7 billion allocated for fiscal 2009, and it would match what the Bush administration estimated last year for the Pentagon in fiscal 2010.


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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2009, 10:19:46 AM »
Also note that military operations are winding down in Iraq so less money is called for.