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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2009, 10:22:07 AM »
As for casualty total in Iraq it was the surge not Obama that cause the totals to drop.

Surge started in Jan of 2006.

Two years later, the death numbers suddenly drop when obama takes over?

So it was a time-release surge that wasn't supposed to kick in until Bush left office, because he was never one to take credit?  Sweet!

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2009, 10:24:41 AM »
Yes but Barry the appeaser was going to run the war out of the DOD budget ONLY...he was forced to do another supplemental bill after the Joint Chiefs and the DOD explained they can't run the war if it wasn't. So u can increase the DOD budget by a few % and pretending to support the military, but then cut off our legs by cutting down the number of Bde's supported under Bush and making war funds comew out of the DOD budget.
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2009, 10:45:32 AM »
As for casualty total in Iraq it was the surge not Obama that cause the totals to drop.

Surge started in Jan of 2006.

Two years later, the death numbers suddenly drop when obama takes over?

So it was a time-release surge that wasn't supposed to kick in until Bush left office, because he was never one to take credit?  Sweet!

I posted the numbers .
the average casualty rates is the same as October. Well before Obama.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/2008_defense.htm
FY 2008 Budget Proposal :
For FY 2008, the President has requested the following:

    * The Defense Department Base Budget - $481 billion.
    * WoT(non-DoD) Base Budget - $73 billion.
    * Supplemental Funding for WoT - $145 billion.

Total requested Dod/WoT spending is $699 billion, or 65% of total net Discretionary spending.

Obama
151.7+527=678.7

Again Bush outspent Obama by 3% and I don't need big font to prove it.
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2009, 10:49:53 AM »
I posted the numbers .
the average casualty rates is the same as October. Well before Obama.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/2008_defense.htm
FY 2008 Budget Proposal :
For FY 2008, the President has requested the following:

    * The Defense Department Base Budget - $481 billion.
    * WoT(non-DoD) Base Budget - $73 billion.
    * Supplemental Funding for WoT - $145 billion.

Total requested Dod/WoT spending is $699 billion, or 65% of total net Discretionary spending.

Obama
151.7+527=678.7

Again Bush outspent Obama by 3% and I don't need big font to prove it.
Question, does more money equal better results?  (Obama is spending more)
I personally think that more money is in no way indicative of better results but that seems to be your argument.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2009, 10:55:09 AM »
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederalbudget/p/military_budget.htm
However, there is no additional funding request for the War on Terror or BioShield operations, as there was in last year's budget. Total requested Security/DoD/WoT spending was $738 billion in FY 2009, compared to $663.7 for FY2010.(Source: OMB, Defense Department Budget, 2010; Mid-Session Review , Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009 Table S-2.)

I know its tough to acknowledge that WOT spending is gone.

Oh well.

Spending isn't directly related to better military, but it sure does help.
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2009, 10:56:20 AM »
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederalbudget/p/military_budget.htm
However, there is no additional funding request for the War on Terror or BioShield operations, as there was in last year's budget. Total requested Security/DoD/WoT spending was $738 billion in FY 2009, compared to $663.7 for FY2010.(Source: OMB, Defense Department Budget, 2010; Mid-Session Review , Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009 Table S-2.)

I know its tough to acknowledge that WOT spending is gone.

Oh well.

Spending isn't directly related to better military, but it sure does help.
Any Evidence to back up that more money produces better results?    And what is the percentage threshold where results increase exponentially if you do believe this to be the case.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2009, 12:35:56 PM »
Any Evidence to back up that more money produces better results?    And what is the percentage threshold where results increase exponentially if you do believe this to be the case.
I never said it did.

However the military needs money to operate and sometimes canceling programs doesn't wind up saving very much.
The F-22 and the B-2 are both examples of this. This is due to the cost of initial tooling.

Closing bases would help, but many countries don't want their bases closed because they like the American money.
Both the German and British governments are examples of this.
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2009, 01:33:24 PM »
Every time we close bases in the ROK, the Koreans go apeshit. We were supposed to be closing bases in Germany, but instead we're consolidating bases and then making those much much bigger.
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2009, 07:42:31 PM »
I watch hannity most days.  I enjoy his show.

And he frequently attacks Obama for military spending.  Why?  Because in the primaries, Obama said he'd like to reduce military spending.

He would "like to".

I'd like to spend a weekend with eva longoria in tahiti.  it ain't happening, but i'd like to :)

He took office, ascertained the situation, and took Gates' advice on exactly what to do.  He slashed the bloated Pentagon budget, and he sent all that money - along with 100k more men and another big pile of money - to the troops overseas.

Is it working?  We lost NINE soldiers in iraq in March 09.  We lost 39, in march off 2008.  Daily total allied trop casualties are lower under Obama than Bush - for all of 2009.

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx


It's working, baby.  More money, more troops, and kicking more ass.  And less men are dying.  obama's actually winning this war, and losing less men, because he's making iraqis do their own street corner guarding.



The bottom line is that Obama is spending more money on our troops, and less $ on govt bloated civilian spending.  The former generals (who now coincidentally work for defense contractors) don't like this, as they like the private sector profits. 




Hannity is such a dick

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2009, 09:38:25 PM »
If Taliban gets close to the nukes, the US and other powerful countries must nuke Pakistan's military capability back to the stone age. Too much is at stake here if Taliban gets close. They are not a rational player, and counting on the reassurance from MAD = stupid move.



Here we are in 2009, science = booming. And still, we have millions of smelly bearded apes spending their entire lives trying to impose some outdated stupid religious crap on everybody ::)



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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2009, 09:58:55 PM »
I think this is the most delusional thread I have ever seen on here. That commie bastard already said he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget, he's been in office almost 100 days and already weakend the security of this country. Fuck are you libs really that delusional??

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2009, 10:10:28 PM »
If Taliban gets close to the nukes, the US and other powerful countries must nuke Pakistan's military capability back to the stone age. Too much is at stake here if Taliban gets close. They are not a rational player, and counting on the reassurance from MAD = stupid move.



Here we are in 2009, science = booming. And still, we have millions of smelly bearded apes spending their entire lives trying to impose some outdated stupid religious crap on everybody ::)


Just be happy your not living in the U.S. where we have a leader that empathizes with the transgenic chimps, and deems their "comfort", while in custody, to outweigh the safety of the nation.  A leader who fears offending suicide bombing, decapitation broadcasting, primitive savages- that he demands the phrase War on Terror be changed to "Overseas Contingency Operation," as not to hurt the feelings of these entities by calling them Terrorists. I may end up moving to your country.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2009, 10:17:18 PM »
Just be happy your not living in the U.S. where we have a leader that empathizes with the transgenic chimps, and deems their "comfort", while in custody, to outweigh the safety of the nation.  A leader who fears offending suicide bombing, decapitation broadcasting, primitive savages- that he demands the phrase War on Terror be changed to "Overseas Contingency Operation," as not to hurt the feelings of these entities by calling them Terrorists. I may end up moving to your country.



These savages are getting even better threatment here. The US = still playing 100000x more hardball against these shit smelling cavediggers.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2009, 12:06:05 AM »
I think this is the most delusional thread I have ever seen on here. That commie bastard already said he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget, he's been in office almost 100 days and already weakend the security of this country. Fuck are you libs really that delusional??

He said it in the primaries to get the nomination?

Just like every lib and every neocon all sucked up to their base.  Mitt wanted to open another gitmo, remember?  They kiss ass then become centrists when they win.

Action talks a lot louder than babble he fed the lefty base.  His spending is right up there with Bush.  We can argue about the way he's spending it, which funds it's out of, etc, but they both spend just about the same amount, barring the various accounting methods or which categories you count or don't count.

You don't want to list all the silly things the repubs said in the primaries.  You know how that works.  Obama isn't shrinking the military, and you're still pissed.  You'd be mad if he shrunk it, and you're mad that he's growing it.

There's no pleasing ya, joe :)

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2009, 12:14:54 AM »
Hey, what a great time to be cutting the military budget huh?

Obama has increased the military budget, not cut it.
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2009, 12:15:59 AM »
Obama has increased the military budget, not cut it.

I dont think that fact matters to Joe.  He's all riled up.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2009, 12:17:42 AM »
He said it in the primaries to get the nomination?

Just like every lib and every neocon all sucked up to their base.  Mitt wanted to open another gitmo, remember?  They kiss ass then become centrists when they win.

Action talks a lot louder than babble he fed the lefty base.  His spending is right up there with Bush.  We can argue about the way he's spending it, which funds it's out of, etc, but they both spend just about the same amount, barring the various accounting methods or which categories you count or don't count.

You don't want to list all the silly things the repubs said in the primaries.  You know how that works.  Obama isn't shrinking the military, and you're still pissed.  You'd be mad if he shrunk it, and you're mad that he's growing it.

There's no pleasing ya, joe :)

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2009, 12:20:28 AM »
I dont think that fact matters to Joe.  He's all riled up.

Hey Rob, go picture this:

*the economy starts booming again
*the wars around the world cool down and America is still #1
*overall quality of life in the US improves

Imagine if this all happened under Obama, Coach would still be bitching... :D
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2009, 07:49:50 AM »
I have a message to all those who think the taleban pose a threat to The People of the USA:


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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2009, 08:13:54 AM »
I didn't say he already did, I said he want too. His words

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2009, 11:59:03 AM »
Obama has increased the military budget, not cut it.

That is a myth.
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederalbudget/p/military_budget.htm
However, there is no additional funding request for the War on Terror or BioShield operations, as there was in last year's budget. Total requested Security/DoD/WoT spending was $738 billion in FY 2009, compared to $663.7 for FY2010.(Source: OMB, Defense Department Budget, 2010; Mid-Session Review , Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009 Table S-2.)
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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2009, 03:54:25 PM »

These savages are getting even better threatment here. The US = still playing 100000x more hardball against these shit smelling cavediggers.
Sorry then, Debussey..guess I won't be visiting you there anytime soon.

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2009, 05:42:54 PM »
well dropping bombs from drogues in N Paki is is seriously fackin working for us...

all we've managed to do is radicalize the region ...


guess we didn't learn a damn thing from Russia....


bombs from drogues might kill 2 terrorists and 20 innocent folks...

now the families of those 20 Innocent folks are future possible terrorists....
carpe` vaginum!

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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2009, 05:44:41 PM »
also ..what a fucking shame..swat is beautifull country



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Re: Taliban inches close to Islamabad. So much for that cease fire.
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2009, 07:02:38 PM »
the guys on here who are anti-obama are so biased against him they stretch the truth tremendously