Author Topic: Dorian had Unmatched Conditioning! (Read 20722 times)

FullROM · « **Reply #75 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:09:44 PM »

After all this time, on a body building forum no picture of dorian and ronnie on stage together has been posted?

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #76 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:10:26 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on April 25, 2009, 12:56:09 PM

I am not making up my own criteria to base conditioning on. Dryness and density play a huge role and are JUDGING criteria, not just mine.

then how do you determine dryness and density? I could just as easily say Ronnie beats Dorian in those criteria.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #77 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:19:41 PM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on April 25, 2009, 01:10:26 PM

then how do you determine dryness and density? I could just as easily say Ronnie beats Dorian in those criteria.

Dryness and Density increase as water retention decreases. Now I am not saying Ronnie at his best was holding water because he was also able to get in freaky condition at his lighter weights. However, when he closed in on 300lbs, I think we was less dry and less dense than he was in 98,99,01 - although just as vascular and separated.

Both Ronnie and Dorian the two "driest" Mr. O's ever (Samir too but d/n have the mass). I still think Dorian was drier than Ronnie, albeit not by much.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #78 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:30:23 PM »

If you look closely at this picture, Doz looks totally shrinkwrapped. It's as if he doesn't have any skin. That is what I mean by grainy

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #79 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:37:49 PM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on April 25, 2009, 12:32:15 AM

no silly boy, that's just genetics like you always say about every other bodybuilder who has better separations and striations than Dorian.

Dorian's conditioning really is based on genetics as well as diet etc but again a point you can't seem to grasp striations with conditioning being great is genetic not all bodybuilders will exhibit striations in the same place regardless of how dry and dense they are .

Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.

This along with Yates ' tissue paper ' thin skin and size is what really makes his conditioning legendary , when the topic of conditioning is brought up it's something he's noted for .

Hulkster · « **Reply #80 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:45:41 PM »

Quote from: FullROM on April 25, 2009, 01:09:44 PM

After all this time, on a body building forum no picture of dorian and ronnie on stage together has been posted?

problem is, ronnie didnt attain really good conditioning until after dorian retired..

it was until 98 and onwards that ronnie really got dry: its no coincidence thats when he started winning everything in sight too..

eg. here he is winning the 98 NOC:

this is DRY:

Hulkster · « **Reply #81 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:50:39 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on April 25, 2009, 01:30:23 PM

If you look closely at this picture, Doz looks totally shrinkwrapped. It's as if he doesn't have any skin. That is what I mean by grainy

whats funny is when relaxed, looks way out of shape.

from 1994, same contest

Royal Lion · « **Reply #82 on:** April 25, 2009, 02:16:24 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 01:50:39 PM

whats funny is when relaxed, looks way out of shape.

from 1994, same contest

Have you seen Ronnie from the front totally relaxed? He looks worse than Dorian...

Hulkster · « **Reply #83 on:** April 25, 2009, 02:21:12 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on April 25, 2009, 02:16:24 PM

Have you seen Ronnie from the front totally relaxed? He looks worse than Dorian...

but only when he was 280+ pounds.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #84 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:04:38 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 01:45:41 PM

problem is, ronnie didnt attain really good conditioning until after dorian retired..

it was until 98 and onwards that ronnie really got dry: its no coincidence thats when he started beating everyone past their primes that Dorian beat in their primes

eg. here he is winning the 98 NOC:

this is DRY:

1996/1997 he had good conditioning Chad did help him to get really dry but he was 249 pounds , Dorian could be that dry at 270

Hulkster · « **Reply #85 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:21:59 PM »

Quote

Dorian could be that dry at 270

yeah, but he looked like Kovacs at that contest weight

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NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #86 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:24:47 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 03:21:59 PM

yeah, but he looked like Kovacs at that contest weight :

Not so in 1993

Hulkster · « **Reply #87 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:39:02 PM »

ronnie still crushes it, conditioning, shape, vascularity you name it..

next..

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #88 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:40:53 PM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on April 22, 2009, 10:59:45 PM

wrong, Andreas Munzer and Ronnie Coleman both surpassed Dorian's level of conditioning. You don't achieve better separation and striations by carrying more body fat and water.

Wrong. Separations and striations are partially genetic. That is, at the exact same level of bodyfat and water, one bodybuilder will have more or less sparations and striations than another.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #89 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:42:04 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 03:39:02 PM

ronnie still crushes it, conditioning, shape, vascularity you name it..

next..

conditioning? NO , shape? depending on the muscle sure , vascularity? you're grasping at straws as usual , how about balance & proportion? NO how about size? NO how about posing & presentation? NO your laughable ' comparisons ' still doesn't beat Dorian at his best

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #90 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:43:22 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on April 25, 2009, 03:40:53 PM

Wrong. Separations and striations are partially genetic. That is, at the exact same level of bodyfat and water, one bodybuilder will have more or less sparations and striations than another.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

This man knows what he's talking about ! great post .

England_1 · « **Reply #91 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:49:26 PM »

hahaha....Ronnie small and smooth like a baby's butt. LOL.

The_Hammer · « **Reply #92 on:** April 25, 2009, 04:45:46 PM »

Both guys had great conditioning and could get certain bodyparts more conditioned than others i.e. Dorian back and torso, Ronnie arms and legs.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #93 on:** April 25, 2009, 05:05:15 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 03:39:02 PM

ronnie still crushes it, conditioning, shape, vascularity you name it..

next..

Great comparison shot there. Both look unreal, but I give the Nod to Dorian. Ronnie has more vascularity, but Dorian has looks thicker to me. It would have been great to see a 93/95 Doz on stage with a 98/99 Ronnie.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #94 on:** April 25, 2009, 05:19:36 PM »

Dorian's arms and quads look great in this picture. Perfect balance!

Hulkster · « **Reply #95 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:09:21 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on April 25, 2009, 03:49:26 PM

hahaha....Ronnie small and smooth like a baby's butt. LOL.

hahaha ronnie crushes dorian there - detail, cuts everywhere - and he's not even doing a lat spread

dorian showing the now classic 'radiation poisoning' quads LOL

Hulkster · « **Reply #96 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:15:07 PM »

fuck, even dorian's sharpest ever 1995 shape is surpassed by ronnie.

and for the record, Shawn was in better condition than dorian at that contest too..he was about as dry as he had ever been in 95..

Hulkster · « **Reply #97 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:16:29 PM »

ironically, an up and coming mid 90's ronnie is standing behind dorian in that shot, and look at what he turned into above...

nycbull · « **Reply #98 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:17:21 PM »

hard to believe some of you have a giant picture of Ronnies' ass on your computer.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #99 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:21:26 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 06:15:07 PM

fuck, even dorian's sharpest ever 1995 shape is surpassed by ronnie.

and for the record, Shawn was in better condition than dorian at that contest too..he was about as dry as he had ever been in 95..

I laugh at you when you commit to statements lol I seriously do , Hulkster I get that you like Ronnie's front latspread better than you do Dorian's however that doesn't mean it is and I can explain why but you don't go by the criteria just what you like

now what makes me laugh is you typed Shawn was in better condition than Dorian 1995 and he was off from his 1994 conditioning , you consistently prove how little you know about competitive bodybuilding