Author Topic: Rice personally okayed waterboarding (Read 1763 times)

240 is Back · « **on:** April 23, 2009, 08:26:58 AM »

when she denied it, she was lying guys.

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The CIA first sought in May 2002 to use harsh interrogation techniques including waterboarding on terror suspects, and was given key early approval by then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, a US Senate intelligence document said.

The agency got the green light to use the near-drowning technique on July 26, 2002, when attorney general John Ashcroft concluded "that the use of waterboarding was lawful," the Senate Intelligence Committee said in a detailed timeline of the "war on terrorism" interrogations released Wednesday.

Nine days earlier, the panel said, citing Central Intelligence Agency records, Rice had met with then-director George Tenet and "advised that the CIA could proceed with its proposed interrogation of Abu Zubaydah," the agency's first high-value Al-Qaeda detainee, pending Justice Department approval.

Rice's nod is believed to be the earliest known approval by a senior official in the administration of George W. Bush of the intelligence technique which current Attorney General Eric Holder has decried as "torture."

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:30:49 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:26:58 AM

when she denied it, she was lying guys.

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The CIA first sought in May 2002 to use harsh interrogation techniques including waterboarding on terror suspects, and was given key early approval by then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, a US Senate intelligence document said.

The agency got the green light to use the near-drowning technique on July 26, 2002, when attorney general John Ashcroft concluded "that the use of waterboarding was lawful," the Senate Intelligence Committee said in a detailed timeline of the "war on terrorism" interrogations released Wednesday.

Nine days earlier, the panel said, citing Central Intelligence Agency records, Rice had met with then-director George Tenet and "advised that the CIA could proceed with its proposed interrogation of Abu Zubaydah," the agency's first high-value Al-Qaeda detainee, pending Justice Department approval.

Rice's nod is believed to be the earliest known approval by a senior official in the administration of George W. Bush of the intelligence technique which current Attorney General Eric Holder has decried as "torture."

eric holder is a fuckin idiot and he will prove it during the next 4 years

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:32:04 AM »

Good, at least one person DC cares more about the lives of millions than the discomfort of having water poured over your head.

240 is Back · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:33:14 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 08:32:04 AM

Good, at least one person DC cares more about the lives of millions than the discomfort of having water poured over your head.

No, that isn't the topic here.

The next time someone calls the Bush admin a bunch of liars, and someone denies it, we can now point to the exact quotes where Condi denied torture.

She lied, brah.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:36:06 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:33:14 AM

No, that isn't the topic here.

The next time someone calls the Bush admin a bunch of liars, and someone denies it, we can now point to the exact quotes where Condi denied torture.

She lied, brah.

You people are a disgrace. I seriously would want to throw you off a NYC skyscaper if you think that not waterboarding a terorrist is worth the lives of thousands of our citizens.

240 is Back · « **Reply #5 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:37:04 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 08:36:06 AM

You people are a disgrace. I seriously would want to throw you off a NYC skyscaper if you think that not waterboarding a terorrist is worth the lives of thousands of our citizens.

Settle down, angry man. I've already said that I support torture if we know it'll save lives. I would have punched KSM myself about 1500 times.

however, condi is a liar. You can say it without being angry, dutch boy.

tonymctones · « **Reply #6 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:37:22 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:33:14 AM

No, that isn't the topic here.

The next time someone calls the Bush admin a bunch of liars, and someone denies it, we can now point to the exact quotes where Condi denied torture.

She lied, brah.

LOL and what of obama and his lies, no threads for those? hahaha more 240 point at them and run away so they dont have to face the truth, notice how barry said he would investigate and prosecute those who did wrongs during his campaign and now he is saying he is against it? Barrys dumb ass was probably informed about some shit that lifted that ignorant idealogy that hazes most liberals eyes and now he understands. Notice how he kept the wire taps and even expanded in some areas? LOL

yes bush is a BAD MAN

240 is Back · « **Reply #7 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:39:34 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on April 23, 2009, 08:37:22 AM

LOL and what of obama and his lies, no threads for those? hahaha more 240 point at them and run away so they dont have to face the truth, notice how barry said he would investigate and prosecute those who did wrongs during his campaign and now he is saying he is against it? Barrys dumb ass was probably informed about some shit that lifted that ignorant idealogy that hazes most liberals eyes and now he understands. Notice how he kept the wire taps and even expanded in some areas? LOL yes bush is a BAD MAN

So just to be clear.

You kill a guy, and your only defense to the jury is "Hey, Ted Bundy killed way more guys than me. let me go free?"

Just say it Tony. COndi lied repeatedly. She's a liar. Say it, brah. DOn't be scared.

Is it really that hard for you and 333386 to admit condi lied? He goes into empty threats and you attack barry. You two don't have the cajones to just say "Yes, Condi did lie"?

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #8 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:40:39 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:37:04 AM

Settle down, angry man. I've already said that I support torture if we know it'll save lives. I would have punched KSM myself about 1500 times.

however, condi is a liar. You can say it without being angry, dutch boy.

and george jefferson didnt chop down the cherry tree...he told his slave to do it. lol

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #9 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:42:11 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:39:34 AM

So just to be clear.

You kill a guy, and your only defense to the jury is "Hey, Ted Bundy killed way more guys than me. let me go free?"

Just say it Tony. COndi lied repeatedly. She's a liar. Say it, brah. DOn't be scared.

Is it really that hard for you and 333386 to admit condi lied? He goes into empty threats and you attack barry. You two don't have the cajones to just say "Yes, Condi did lie"?

Not is she did not believe water boarding terrorists was torture.

240 is Back · « **Reply #10 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:45:41 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 08:42:11 AM

Not is she did not believe water boarding terrorists was torture.

I see.

So are you saying you honestly believe that Condi did not consider waterboarding a guy 180 times to be torture?

Dude, it's okay to say she lied. Blame it on national security or something. Coach has said he HOPES our leaders lie to us, so he's cool with it. You still want to believe Bush admin never lied, huh?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #11 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:47:07 AM »

If you would have repercussions about waterboarding your dog, cat, son, grandparents, mother, father or daughter then it is torture.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #12 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:47:48 AM »

Its more u don't have a right to know....some things ur better off not knowing....in this instance I could care less.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #13 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:48:48 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on April 23, 2009, 08:47:48 AM

Its more u don't have a right to know....some things ur better off not knowing....in this instance I could care less.

Quick question. If I took your mother and waterboarded her, would you consider it torture?

tonymctones · « **Reply #14 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:51:01 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:39:34 AM

So just to be clear.

You kill a guy, and your only defense to the jury is "Hey, Ted Bundy killed way more guys than me. let me go free?"

Just say it Tony. COndi lied repeatedly. She's a liar. Say it, brah. DOn't be scared.

Is it really that hard for you and 333386 to admit condi lied? He goes into empty threats and you attack barry. You two don't have the cajones to just say "Yes, Condi did lie"?

thats your justification dip shit and every other liberal on this board you yell "bush did this bush did that" the difference is i agree with what bush and now what obama is doing as far as "torture"

and you condemn one and praise another for the same act dip shit.

tonymctones · « **Reply #15 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:53:06 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on April 23, 2009, 08:47:07 AM

If you would have repercussions about waterboarding your dog, cat, son, grandparents, mother, father or daughter then it is torture.

thats the most ignorant liberal arguement ive heard on here and thats saying something when you beat out 240 bro. Are dogs, cats, sons, grandparents, mothers, fathers or daughters trying to kill innocent civilians? NO YOU SAY OHHHHH WELL ITS NOT THE SAME BRAINCHILD.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:54:40 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:45:41 AM

I see.

So are you saying you honestly believe that Condi did not consider waterboarding a guy 180 times to be torture?

Dude, it's okay to say she lied. Blame it on national security or something. Coach has said he HOPES our leaders lie to us, so he's cool with it. You still want to believe Bush admin never lied, huh?

If the believed that waterboarding did not constitute torture under the Geneva convention for these TERRORISTS, than know.

Like I say, I was at ground zero three days after it happened. Its only 9 miles from me.

Anyone who would let thousands of people die in the name of some bizarre deraged "principle" of not pouring water of someones' head should be the first to get blown up in our next attack that we failed to prevent because we were to timid against these killers.

240 is Back · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:54:48 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on April 23, 2009, 08:47:48 AM

Its more u don't have a right to know....some things ur better off not knowing....in this instance I could care less.

i agree.

however, 333386 can't seem to accept that.

he feels condi was naive and that she honestly didn't believe we were torturing.

33 and tony just can't say it. It hurts them. 33 instantly delivered some rant about tossing me off a building. meltdown.

The Coach · « **Reply #18 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:55:07 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on April 23, 2009, 08:48:48 AM

Quick question. If I took your mother and waterboarded her, would you consider it torture?

If you took my mother for any reason, you'd better damn well hope waterbording will be all I will do.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #19 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:55:37 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on April 23, 2009, 08:47:07 AM

If you would have repercussions about waterboarding your dog, cat, son, grandparents, mother, father or daughter then it is torture.

If by waterboarding by dog it could save thousands of lives, then I will be the one to do it.

240 is Back · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:55:56 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 08:54:40 AM

If the believed that waterboarding did not constitute torture under the Geneva convention for these TERRORISTS, than know.

Like I say, I was at ground zero three days after it happened. Its only 9 miles from me.

Anyone who would let thousands of people die in the name of some bizarre deraged "principle" of not pouring water of someones' head should be the first to get blown up in our next attack that we failed to prevent because we were to timid against these killers.

dutch boy - take a breath-

I've already said this isn't about torture, no matter how hard you want to make it about it.

Condi lied to America. That's all. She might have had her reasons, that's cool. But this is another historical example of the bush admin knowing about somehting and lying all along.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:56:10 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on April 23, 2009, 08:53:06 AM

thats the most ignorant liberal arguement ive heard on here and thats saying something when you beat out 240 bro. Are dogs, cats, sons, grandparents, mothers, fathers or daughters trying to kill innocent civilians? NO YOU SAY OHHHHH WELL ITS NOT THE SAME BRAINCHILD.

So you don`t have a firm moral definition of torture.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:56:21 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 23, 2009, 08:39:34 AM

So just to be clear.

You kill a guy, and your only defense to the jury is "Hey, Ted Bundy killed way more guys than me. let me go free?"

Just say it Tony. COndi lied repeatedly. She's a liar. Say it, brah. DOn't be scared.

Is it really that hard for you and 333386 to admit condi lied? He goes into empty threats and you attack barry. You two don't have the cajones to just say "Yes, Condi did lie"?

The democratic congress lied about it as well.
They knew because they are on the intelligence committee.

Its cool to be against waterboarding. It helps you get elected, but everyone was for it when things were bad in 2002.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/23/top-legislators-knew-of-interrogations/
Between 2002 and 2006, the top Republicans and Democrats on the House and Senate intelligence committees "each got complete, benchmark briefings on the program," said one of the intelligence sources who is familiar with the briefings.

"If Congress wanted to kill this program, all it had to do was withhold funding," said the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the closed-door briefings.

Those who were briefed included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and Rep. Jane Harman of California, all Democrats, and Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, Sen. Richard C. Shelby of Alabama and Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, all Republicans.

Hereford · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:57:00 AM »

Why is this even an issue? If the military gets ahold of some terrorist fuck... why do they even ever see the light of day again?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #24 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:57:12 AM »

Quote from: The Coach on April 23, 2009, 08:55:07 AM

If you took my mother for any reason, you'd better damn well hope waterbording will be all I will do.

So then you admit that waterboarding IS torture.