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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2009, 05:54:26 PM »
"If a host like a pig or a person is infected by both a bird virus and a human or pig virus the segments are in a common pool within the host cell and can become mixed, with some segments coming from one virus and some from another. This can produce another kind of hybrid between a bird and a human influenza virus. The difference between this mechanism and recombination is that the segments move en bloc as a single piece while in recombination bits and pieces of segments might be spliced together as in the human-pig HA example above rather than an HA from a pig or an HA from a human as in reassortment. "

http://www.fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Science.InfluenzaPrimerII

These sources of information are more confusing than helpful and just for the record...what is being said here goes COUNTER to what I learned in college chemistry and biology...we were told that viruses could NEVER hybridize and could only mutate to a certain degree and that degree of mutation depended on the host. All that is being said on the news and these articles goes WAAAAAAAY beyond what we were told was possible...

Could someone tell me what in the hell is going on here?  Could this be one of the ways in which these viruses end up being in a complex hybrid state?

This is from 2002:

Abstract.
Swine influenza virus (SIV) RNA and antigen were detected in 15 naturally infected pigs by in
situ hybridization using a nonradioactive digoxigenin-labeled cDNA probe and by immunohistochemistry using
an influenza virus H1N1–specific monoclonal antibody. A 582–base pair cDNA probe for viral RNA encoding
the nucleocapsid protein of SIV type A H1N1 strain was generated by the reverse transcription polymerase
chain reaction. In situ hybridization and immunohistochemistry gave similar results for serial sections from
each of 15 lung samples. Positive cells typically exhibited a dark brown (in situ hybridization) or red (immunohistochemistry)
reaction product in the nucleus and cytoplasm without background staining. A strong positive
signal for both in situ hybridization and immunohistochemistry was detected mainly in the bronchial and
bronchiolar epithelial cells. A less intense signal was detected in the interstitial and alveolar macrophages.
Simultaneous detection of hybridization and immunohistochemical signals on serial sections provided evidence
that SIV had replicated in positive cells. The in situ hybridization technique developed in this study was useful
for the detection of SIV RNA in tissues taken from naturally infected pigs and may be a valuable technique
for studying the pathogenesis of SIV infection.

"Hybridization was done overnight at 45 C. The digoxigenin-
labeled probe (0.1 ng/ml) was diluted in 300 ml of the
standard hybridization buffer, heated for 10 minutes at 95 C
on a heating block, and quenched on ice before being applied
to the tissue sections."

Results
The SIV H1N1 (A/Seoul/20/91) and human influenza
virus H3N2 (A/Johannesberg/33/95) reacted with
the primers of SIV. The primers did not react with
human influenza B (B/Beijing/184/93), PRRSV,
PRCV, TGEV, PEDV, and PCV types 1 and 2. SIV
was isolated from the lung in five pigs (Nos. 2, 5, 6,
11, 14). All five influenza viruses isolated from pigs
were amplified in MDCK cells, and the resulting virus
RNA was reacted with primers specific for SIV by
PCR (Fig. 1). PCR products from each isolate were
sequenced, and their identity was confirmed as influenza
virus (data not shown).
The results of virus isolation, in situ hybridization,
and immunohistochemistry are summarized in Table
1. The morphology of host cells was preserved despite
the relatively high temperature required in parts of the
incubation procedure. In situ hybridization and immunohistochemistry
gave similar results for serial sections
from each of 15 lung samples (Figs. 2, 3). Positive
cells typically exhibited a dark brown (in situ
hybridization) or red (immunohistochemistry) reaction

http://www.vetpathology.org/cgi/reprint/39/1/10.pdf

This article is essentially saying that in order to get a hybridized or combination virus made from two or more viruses there had to be a manipulation of the DNA/RNA. In short what they are telling you is there is no way in hell two viruses could join together unless there is a manipulation of each virus on a genetic level to make that possible...add to that the genetically manipulated viruses have to be cultured in a certain "ideal" environment to get a response. This is part of the way inwhich scientist get a virus to join to other viruses as well as get viruses that COULD NOT INFECT HUMANS to do so.

This is some heavy stuff Hugo... This is out of my league as I didn't have to deal with biology on the level of genetic manipulation. This information is however helpful in getting people to understand on a basic level that these HYBRIDIZATIONS ARE NOT POSSIBLE NATURALLY... and that mutations are extremely limited.
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2009, 05:59:47 PM »
question : if one of former Prez Bush's daughters got aids today would we tomorrow have a hallelujah moment and find a cure 2 weeks later?
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2009, 06:02:53 PM »
It is confusing a bit.  If you take the word from some of the sources I posted, it's as simple as taking two seperate flu viruses and placing them in a single cell to obtain a hybrid, but when you actually read through research papers they create flu hybrids like the one I posted, it becomes clear that they had to go through processes that could not possibly occur in a living host.

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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2009, 06:07:03 PM »
question : if one of former Prez Bush's daughters got aids today would we tomorrow have a hallelujah moment and find a cure 2 weeks later?

The cure for AIDS, EBOLA, HANTA VIRUS, WEST NILE, LIME DISEASE and all the other diseases that MAGICALLY appeared in the past two decades has been around for as long as the diseases. Scientist do not release diseases unless they also have the cure. Right now there are extensive experiments going on in how these diseases are transmitted, in which populations of people they aer transmitted the most, which racial group may be more suseptablel than others etc etc. I think if Jenna or barbara Bush turned up positive not only would we not hear about it, but she would be wisked away for treament that NO ONE ELSE COULD EVER GET. I always wonder how Magic Johnson is still here....Hmmmmm...I am just saying
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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2009, 06:13:01 PM »
It is confusing a bit.  If you take the word from some of the sources I posted, it's as simple as taking two seperate flu viruses and placing them in a single cell to obtain a hybrid, but when you actually read through research papers they create flu hybrids like the one I posted, it becomes clear that they had to go through processes that could not possibly occur in a living host.

YOU ARE RIGHT...It is not that simple...Simply placing two viruses in a cell will NOT cause the two viruses to combine. This combination must be done outside of the cell (labratory) by taking genetic material from one virus and literally forcing it into the genetic chain of the other virus through chemical manipulation....otherwis e it will just be a cell with two types of viral material inside. and if the two viral materials are not compatible with the cell/host the cell will either die with the genetic material inside and be eliminated from the body, or the body's immune system will release killer T cells which kill all cells which have genetic material within that is not indigenous to the cell.
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2009, 06:15:12 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2009, 06:28:21 PM »


YEAH He's right this is a strain they have never seen before...you wanna know why??? Because they created this in a lab and it doesn't and has never existed in nature. One thing to keep in mind...despite a virus' ability to mutate it always retains its origins...meaning it can always be traced back to the parent virus from which it came. To make it simple...just like you are different than your parents in appearance..there is genetic links that can be tested for that enables scientist to determine that you are related to your parents. If there are no links, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to exist unless you are like Frankensteins monster and you are a created thing...like these new flu viruses are.

Notice also the guy had to keep looking down to read a chart that has the supposed symptoms on it. If you didn't notice watch the video again and watch his eyes as he tells of the symptoms...As a doctor shouldn't he know the symptoms??...He's probably a agent for the NIH, Plumb Island, USAMRID or similar agency who are hoping this becomes a pandemic...
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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2009, 06:48:18 PM »
One thing is for sure, this meets all the requirements for a major pandemic.  Nobody can argue against that point.  Nobody has any immunity to this and it'll spread like wildfire.  By the time someone is showing symptoms, they'll already have spread it to several new hosts.

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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2009, 07:13:29 PM »
This is very interesting, this guy is in California and went around trying to get some masks and had a very hard time finding anything.  The real WTF thing he says is that employees in one pharmacy said that a manager cleared the shelves of masks "A WEEK BEFORE" ???  hmmm, they don't want people to have these masks?  And what's up with the manager clearing the shelves a week ago?  WTF...


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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2009, 07:16:53 PM »
One thing is for sure, this meets all the requirements for a major pandemic.  Nobody can argue against that point.  Nobody has any immunity to this and it'll spread like wildfire.  By the time someone is showing symptoms, they'll already have spread it to several new hosts.

NOT SO FAST   NOT SO FAST (make sure you say that with your DAFFY DUCK VOICE...lol)

It will still take many infections and a total lack of an immune response before that can be said. As it stand there are a few cases that "seem" ideal...but I will wait and see brfore I start duck tapping my house up in plastic. As it stands there are 36000 death in america every yearfrom the regular flu and no one panics....these 36000 people are old, weakened immune systems or have other preexistig conditions that makes them suseptable. If in a few weeks there are thousand s of people infected and no immune response of any kind then i will say we have  a possible pandemic. but if the numbers start to dwindle...well.....
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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2009, 07:25:58 PM »
NOT SO FAST   NOT SO FAST (make sure you say that with your DAFFY DUCK VOICE...lol)

It will still take many infections and a total lack of an immune response before that can be said. As it stand there are a few cases that "seem" ideal...but I will wait and see brfore I start duck tapping my house up in plastic. As it stands there are 36000 death in america every yearfrom the regular flu and no one panics....these 36000 people are old, weakened immune systems or have other preexistig conditions that makes them suseptable. If in a few weeks there are thousand s of people infected and no immune response of any kind then i will say we have  a possible pandemic. but if the numbers start to dwindle...well.....
we wouldn't be able to seal ourselves in anyway even if we wanted to.  It's not like I can just tell my wife to quit her job just in case lol...  But if I'm understanding this right, nobody has an immunity to this.  So like with any other flu or cold, some people comming into contact with it will have an immunity.  This will effect everyone infected, they will then either die or get over it and have an immunity but since it's totally new the spread has a higher immediate potential.  By the time a dude is feeling sick, he's already had time to spread it.  It's not like you get it and immediately have symptoms and some of your first symptoms are going to be spreading symptoms like sneezing.  I hope I'm totally wrong but I see this thing as running through the population at this point and nothing they can do about it.  Hope I'm wrong, especially since we're about to have a baby.

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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2009, 07:35:03 PM »
I remember reading about this last year...scientist ressurecting the Spanish Flu virus and wondering what they were doing that for...now I know

Scientists Isolate Genes
That Made 1918 Flu Deadly

From Patricia Doyle, PhD
4-25-9
 
Hello Jeff - Remember this? Scientists isolate genes that made the 1918 flu lethal. This was dated Dec. 29, 2008. It hasn't been very long since this discovery was made then the new strain variant showed up in Mexico and the US, not very long, indeed.
 
"The 1918 virus replicates in the upper respiratory tract, but also in the lungs, causing primary pneumonia among its victims."
 
I think it is pretty obvious that the Mexican variant also replicates in upper respiratory tract and also in the lungs causing primary pneumonia. I think we are seeing this in the Mexican cases. Coincidence? Or, is the Mexican virus a lab developed copy of the Spanish Flu.
 
"For the most part, substituting single genes from the 1918 virus onto the template of a much more benign contemporary virus yielded agents that could only replicate in the upper respiratory tract. One exception, however, included a complex of three genes that, acting in concert with another key gene, allowed the virus to efficiently colonize lung cells and make RNA polymerase, a protein necessary for the virus to reproduce."
 
Interesting.
 
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http://www.news.wisc.edu/16103
 
 
Scientists Isolate Genes That Made 1918 Flu Lethal
By Terry Devitt
12-29-8
 
 
By mixing and matching a contemporary flu virus with the "Spanish flu" - a virus that killed between 20 and 50 million people 90 years ago in history's most devastating outbreak of infectious disease - researchers have identified a set of three genes that helped underpin the extraordinary virulence of the 1918 virus.
 
Writing today (Dec. 29) in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a team led by University of Wisconsin-Madison virologists Yoshihiro Kawaoka and Tokiko Watanabe identifies genes that gave the 1918 virus the capacity to reproduce in lung tissue, a hallmark of the pathogen that claimed more lives than all the battles of World War I combined.
 
"Conventional flu viruses replicate mainly in the upper respiratory tract: the mouth, nose and throat. The 1918 virus replicates in the upper respiratory tract, but also in the lungs," causing primary pneumonia among its victims, says Kawaoka, an internationally recognized expert on influenza and a professor of pathobiological sciences in the UW-Madison School of Veterinary Medicine. "We wanted to know why the 1918 flu caused severe pneumonia."
 
Autopsies of 1918 flu victims often revealed fluid-filled lungs severely damaged by massive hemorrhaging. Scientists assumed that the ability of the virus to take over the lungs is associated with the pathogen's high level of virulence, but the genes that conferred that ability were unknown.
 
Discovery of the complex and its role in orchestrating infection in the lungs is important because it could provide a way to quickly identify the potential virulence factors in new pandemic strains of influenza, Kawaoka says. The complex could also become a target for a new class of antiviral drugs, which is urgently needed as vaccines are unlikely to be produced fast enough at the outset of a pandemic to blunt its spread.
 
To find the gene or genes that enabled the virus to invade the lungs, Kawaoka and his group blended genetic elements from the 1918 flu virus with those of a currently circulating avian influenza virus and tested the variants on ferrets, an animal that mimics human flu infection.
 
For the most part, substituting single genes from the 1918 virus onto the template of a much more benign contemporary virus yielded agents that could only replicate in the upper respiratory tract. One exception, however, included a complex of three genes that, acting in concert with another key gene, allowed the virus to efficiently colonize lung cells and make RNA polymerase, a protein necessary for the virus to reproduce.
 
"The RNA polymerase is used to make new copies of the virus," Kawaoka explains. Without the protein, the virus is unable to make new virus particles and spread infection to nearby cells.
 
In the late 1990s, scientists were able to recover genes from the 1918 virus by looking in the preserved lung tissue of some of the pandemic's victims. Using the relic genes, Kawaoka's group was able to generate viruses that carry different combinations of the 1918 virus and modern seasonal influenza virus.
 
When tested, most of the hybrid viruses only infected the nasal passages of ferrets and didn't cause pneumonia. But one did infect the lungs, and it carried the RNA polymerase genes from the 1918 virus that allowed the virus to make the key step of synthesizing its proteins.
 
In 2004, Kawaoka and his team identified another key gene from the 1918 virus that enhanced the pathogen's virulence in mice. That gene makes hemagglutinin, a protein found on the surface of the virus and that confers on viral particles the ability to attach to host cells.
 
"Here, I think we are talking about another mechanism," Kawaoka says. The RNA polymerase is used to make copies of the virus once it has entered a host cell. The role of hemagglutinin is to help the virus gain access to cells.
 
In addition to the study's lead authors, Watanabe and Kawaoka, co-authors of the new PNAS paper are Shinji Watanabe, Jin Hyun Kim and Masato Hatta, also of UW-Madison; and Kyoko Shinya of Kobe University. The work was funded by the Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology and by grants-in-aid from the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare of Japan.

 
 
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2009, 07:40:49 PM »
lol, I just got done reading that off of Rense's site before you posted it.

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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2009, 07:53:57 PM »
lol, I just got done reading that off of Rense's site before you posted it.

I just hope the real reason behind all of this is not this..

Venture capital firm set to reap rewards on swine flu
Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:11pm BST 

LOS ANGELES, April 24 (Reuters) - The swine flu outbreak is likely to benefit one of the most prolific and successful venture capital firms in the United States: Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Thomson Reuters Private Equity Week reported on Friday.

Shares of the two public companies in the firm's portfolio of eight Pandemic and Bio Defense companies -- BioCryst Pharmaceuticals (BCRX.O) and Novavax (NVAX.O) -- jumped Friday on news that the swine flu killed a reported 60 people in Mexico and has infected people in the United States.

The World Health Organization said the virus appears to be susceptible to Roche's (ROG.VX) flu drug Tamiflu, also known as oseltamivir, but not to older flu drugs such as amantadine.

Shares of Swiss drugmaker Roche Holding AG closed up 3.48 percent after falling sharply earlier in the week on a cancer drug disappointment, while shares of U.S. biotechnology company Gilead Sciences Inc (GILD.O), which gets royalties from Roche on Tamiflu sales, slipped 10 cents to $45.80 on Friday.

But BioCryst, a maker of drugs that block key enzymes in viral diseases, jumped more than 26 percent on Friday to $2.21 per share. Viral vaccine maker Novavax rose more than 75 percent to $1.42 per share.

BioCryst CEO John Stonehouse said his company does not anticipate the use of its technology in treating this episode of swine flu.

"We're in clinical trials right now and not on the market," Stonehouse said.

Still, the companies will have to go even higher for Kleiner Perkins to make its investment back. Both BioCryst and Novavax experienced long drops from price peaks in 2006, when reports of avian flu dominated headlines.

BioCryst is down nearly 90 percent from its 2006 high of $20.75 per share and Novavax is down more than 85 percent from a high of $7.98 per share.

Kleiner Perkins invested $30 million in BioCryst in December 2005 alongside Fort Worth, Texas-based buyout firm TPG. The two firms invested again in August 2007, picking up $65 million worth of shares and warrants. The investors bought shares in BioCryst at $13.46 and then $7.80.

Kleiner Perkins put $20 million in Novavax in February 2006 alongside Palo Alto, Calif.-based Prospect Venture Partners. The two firms picked up the shares at $4.35.

Novavax can produce a vaccine from an emergent strain of flu virus in 12 weeks, according to CEO Rahul Singhvi. The company has contacted the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to offer help and is trying to contact the Ministry of Health in Mexico, Singhvi said.

The company uses genetic information and "recombinant, virus-like particle technology" to rapidly engineer a vaccine. Its technology has been proven to work in humans during Phase II trials, Singhvi said, and it might be used in the case of an emergency.

"There is an emergency authorization avenue that is available that would allow us to use the vaccine in an emergency without further testing," said Singhvi.

Kleiner Perkins typically only invests in early stage start-up technologies. It is best known for its investments in Netscape, Amazon.com (AMZN.O), Google (GOOG.O) and Genentech (ROG.VX).

The Menlo Park, California-based VC firm launched a $200 million Pandemic Bio Defense fund in 2006 to invest in technology companies working on drugs, diagnostics and inoculations against flu-like diseases.

"We will invest to accelerate innovation, and we're in a hurry," Investor John Doerr said at the time. "We hope even a mild pandemic never recurs."

Investors at Kleiner Perkins were not immediately available for comment.

The firm's other Pandemic Bio Defense investments include: * San Francisco-based Anza Therapeutics, which is working on therapeutic vaccines for treating certain types of cancer and hepatitis C. * Fremont, Calif.-based Breathe Technologies, which is working on lightweight respiratory ventilator systems. * Emeryville, Calif.-based HX Diagnostics, which is working to make diagnostic tools for seasonal and emerging diseases. * Pleasanton, Calif.-based Juvaris BioTherapeutics Inc., which is working on vaccines and immunotherapeutics to treat infectious disease and cancer. * San Diego-based Trius Therapeutics, which is developing drugs to fight resistant-strains of bacteria. * Marlborough, Mass.-based Xcellerex Inc., which has developed tools and manufacturing processes to speed the deployment of new vaccines.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2009, 07:59:21 PM »
A second disturbing article...


New Spanish Flu Variant & Navy Experiment At Border?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
4-24-9
 
Hello Jeff - I wonder what the heck the following means? Was the Navy doing some sort of testing at the Mexican border? This Swine Flue outbreak stinks. Something is wrong.
 
Patty
 
The unusual strain this year was noticed, said Dr. Anne Schuchat [director of respiratory diseases the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention], only because the agency was trying out a new diagnostic test at a Navy laboratory and doing more testing than usual through a new Border Infectious Disease Surveillance Project along the Mexican border. [See: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no1/pdfs/02-0047.pdf --The U.S.-Mexico Border Infectious Disease Surveillance Project: Establishing Bi-national Border Surveillance (cdc.gov).]
 
http://www.legitgov.org/
 
Mexico City suspends school over flu epidemic 24 Apr 2009 Mexico City has suspended classes at schools and universities to contain what could be a new flu strain. Health Secretary Jose Cordova says private and public schools in this metropolis of 20 million have been ordered to remain closed Friday. The measure could be extended in coming days. Cordova says the flu is a "new, different strain that can attack anyone." [See: http://www.legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html --- Flu 'Oddities']
 
 
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2009, 09:32:35 PM »
we wouldn't be able to seal ourselves in anyway even if we wanted to.  It's not like I can just tell my wife to quit her job just in case lol...  But if I'm understanding this right, nobody has an immunity to this.  So like with any other flu or cold, some people comming into contact with it will have an immunity.  This will effect everyone infected, they will then either die or get over it and have an immunity but since it's totally new the spread has a higher immediate potential.  By the time a dude is feeling sick, he's already had time to spread it.  It's not like you get it and immediately have symptoms and some of your first symptoms are going to be spreading symptoms like sneezing.  I hope I'm totally wrong but I see this thing as running through the population at this point and nothing they can do about it.  Hope I'm wrong, especially since we're about to have a baby.

Speaking of Immunity, I was watching a Secrets of the Dead episode and a guy who was a descendant of someone who survived the Bubonic Plague, he got AIDS, but somehow developed some sort of immunity. This was back in the 80's when this happened, and he was thought of as an anomaly.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2009, 09:51:07 PM »
What does this mean?

“This strain of swine influenza that’s been cultured in a laboratory is something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that’s been identified,” Dr. John Carlo, Dallas Co. Medical Director

Video:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090424.wvswine_flu0424/VideoStory/International/?pid=RTGAM.20090424.wswine0424

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2009, 10:15:56 PM »
Anybody know if there are any microbiology majors

I'm not a microbiology major, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night.

Seriously, this is an interesting thread!  :o
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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2009, 10:52:10 PM »
I'm not a microbiology major, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night.

Seriously, this is an interesting thread!  :o
LOL ;D

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2009, 01:31:11 AM »
we wouldn't be able to seal ourselves in anyway even if we wanted to.  It's not like I can just tell my wife to quit her job just in case lol...

Speak for yourself. I can lock my doors and not have to venture outside if I don't want to. I'm Canadian. I'm used to it. As long as I'm stocked up on food, ...I'm good to stay in for a while. Won't even have to quit a thing.
So Mexicans and Americans drop dead... my income will still keep rolling in.  Now, if it hits China... that might be a problem. 

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I hope I'm totally wrong but I see this thing as running through the population at this point and nothing they can do about it.  Hope I'm wrong, especially since we're about to have a baby.

Ooooh congratulations! Is it a little boy or a little girl?  :)
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2009, 01:36:57 AM »
Speak for yourself. I can lock my doors and not have to venture outside if I don't want to. I'm Canadian. I'm used to it. As long as I'm stocked up on food, ...I'm good to stay in for a while. Won't even have to quit a thing.
So Mexicans and Americans drop dead... my income will still keep rolling in.  Now, if it hits China... that might be a problem. 

Ooooh congratulations! Is it a little boy or a little girl?  :)
actually I was speaking for myself.  girl thanks.

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« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2009, 04:26:16 AM »
actually I was speaking for myself.  girl thanks.

 :o  A girl?! HA! Serves you right! Karma! It get's 'em every time! {lolololzzz}  ;D
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2009, 07:03:31 AM »
What does this mean?

“This strain of swine influenza that’s been cultured in a laboratory is something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that’s been identified,” Dr. John Carlo, Dallas Co. Medical Director

Video:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090424.wvswine_flu0424/VideoStory/International/?pid=RTGAM.20090424.wswine0424

It means exactly what I have been saying all through this thread...and exactly what you think. These new viruses DO NOT EXIST NATURALLY IN NATURE. Nearly every new viral strain of everything for the past 10 to 20 years has been "CULTURED" in a labratory. MEANING it is a hybrid (made by scientist combinng two or more viruses genetic material together) or it is a forced mutation (grown in different animals and human tissue in order to make the virus adopt genetic traits it would naturally never have). This game that is being played on the public exposes the incredible lying the medical science world plays on the public. First they say "there is a new strain of virus X"... what they don't say is THEY CREATED THE NEW STRAIN OF VIRUS X.

Have you ever wondered how scientist know what strain of flu is going to exist in the following year (Oui Ji board, Tarot Cards, What?)? and how is it that they can make vaccines for it so fast whereas vaccines for all other infections takes years if not decades to produce and cost BILLIONS of dollars? Hate to say it but the masses have been used as Guinea pigs for years now. No one asks these question, neither do they ask about the side effects of these supposed vaccines (of which there are always side effects) and in all honesty no one even knows if what they are being injected with is a vaccine at all!!!...or at least not a vaccine for the flu. For all intents and purposes these "flu vaccines" could be experimental vaccines for other types of diseases or they could actually be injecting people with crippled forms of diseases to see what happens. I don't put anything past the military and the medical science world as they have a goal different from bringing health to people... keep in mind the american soldiers sent to Iraq who were injected with all types of experimental vaccines and given all types of experimental drugs. Many came down with debilitating sickness, many died and some are living with all manner of side effects from twitching, to nerve damage, to psychological damage, to blindness, hearing loss, cancers, leukemia etc etc...
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2009, 08:21:23 AM »
It means exactly what I have been saying all through this thread...and exactly what you think. These new viruses DO NOT EXIST NATURALLY IN NATURE. Nearly every new viral strain of everything for the past 10 to 20 years has been "CULTURED" in a labratory. MEANING it is a hybrid (made by scientist combinng two or more viruses genetic material together) or it is a forced mutation (grown in different animals and human tissue in order to make the virus adopt genetic traits it would naturally never have). This game that is being played on the public exposes the incredible lying the medical science world plays on the public. First they say "there is a new strain of virus X"... what they don't say is THEY CREATED THE NEW STRAIN OF VIRUS X.

Have you ever wondered how scientist know what strain of flu is going to exist in the following year (Oui Ji board, Tarot Cards, What?)? and how is it that they can make vaccines for it so fast whereas vaccines for all other infections takes years if not decades to produce and cost BILLIONS of dollars? Hate to say it but the masses have been used as Guinea pigs for years now. No one asks these question, neither do they ask about the side effects of these supposed vaccines (of which there are always side effects) and in all honesty no one even knows if what they are being injected with is a vaccine at all!!!...or at least not a vaccine for the flu. For all intents and purposes these "flu vaccines" could be experimental vaccines for other types of diseases or they could actually be injecting people with crippled forms of diseases to see what happens. I don't put anything past the military and the medical science world as they have a goal different from bringing health to people... keep in mind the american soldiers sent to Iraq who were injected with all types of experimental vaccines and given all types of experimental drugs. Many came down with debilitating sickness, many died and some are living with all manner of side effects from twitching, to nerve damage, to psychological damage, to blindness, hearing loss, cancers, leukemia etc etc...
I agree with a lot of this. I also believe that some fairly sinister things have been perpetrated on the public by the whole corporate/pharmaceutical industry. Profits being way more important to them than the safety and health of the general public.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2009, 08:22:14 AM »
:o  A girl?! HA! Serves you right! Karma! It get's 'em every time! {lolololzzz}  ;D
we both wanted a girl.