12 year old speaks out on gay marriage and her two moms...

[OzmO]

It is the main point of life and not just human life but all life...everybody does they may not be yelling it out loud but they are in their actions...We like to have children b/c it serves to fullfill our need to reproduce

everybody does they may not be yelling it out loud but they are in their actions...We like to have children b/c it serves to fullfill our need to reproduce ................


..........which gives us pleasure.

 

[tu_holmes]

It is the main point of life and not just human life but all life...everybody does they may not be yelling it out loud but they are in their actions...We like to have children b/c it serves to fullfill our need to reproduce

I think we have children because women want them... I'm not really a fan of having kids and I really didn't want them before my wife talked me into them... I damn sure don't want anymore.

I do love having sex though... Thank God for vasectomies

[Soul Crusher]

I think we have children because women want them... I'm not really a fan of having kids and I really didn't want them before my wife talked me into them... I damn sure don't want anymore.

I do love having sex though... Thank God for vasectomies

Because without kids and new people, we die off.

Without kids, you have no SS.

Without Kids, you hjave no military and future workforce.

Without kids, you have no one to help you in your old age.

[LurkerNoMore]

I always wondered why heterosexual people care so much about what homosexual people do.

I mean... I'm not going to be gay either way, so I certainly don't care if two people decide they want to be gay with each other.

It just doesn't matter to me.

Well said.

The same people condemning homos are usually the same one getting aroused with girl on girl action and wtching dicks in straight porn movies.

[Soul Crusher]

Well said.

The same people condemning homos are usually the same one getting aroused with girl on girl action and wtching dicks in straight porn movies.

Sounds like you speak from experience.   

[Deicide]

I always wondered why heterosexual people care so much about what homosexual people do.

I mean... I'm not going to be gay either way, so I certainly don't care if two people decide they want to be gay with each other.

It just doesn't matter to me.

I am however an advocate for everyone being able to marry who they want to. Everyone has the right to be as miserable as I was.

There are a lot of economic pluses as well... like marriage licenses, wedding ceremonies, and divorce proceedings.

All of that helps the economy... I just don't understand why straight people want gay people to not get married... They should be all for it.

Hell... Show a few gay people how much a pain in the ass it is, and none of them will ever do it anyway.

QFT

[MCWAY]

Well said.

The same people condemning homos are usually the same one getting aroused with girl on girl action and wtching dicks in straight porn movies.

And, the same people, condemning those who call homosexuality morally wrong or sick or disgusting, are usually the same ones who insult people (especially on the forums here) by calling them gay.

[Dos Equis]

And, the same people, condemning those who call homosexuality morally wrong or sick or disgusting, are usually the same ones who insult people (especially on the forums here) by calling them gay.

Agree.  It's such an intellectually weak copout response. 

[tonymctones]

everybody does they may not be yelling it out loud but they are in their actions...We like to have children b/c it serves to fullfill our need to reproduce ................


..........which gives us pleasure.

 

which also serves the main goal in life...see like I said I can justify all behaviour by saying it serves to help reproduce just like you can justify all behaviour as being avoiding pain or seeking pleasure and like there being no altruistic acts. There is one thing you cant deny though homosexuality is a pointless and futile evolutionary trait and more then likely will sooner or later be cleansed from our population.

[24KT]

Out of the mouths of babes. 

[OzmO]

which also serves the main goal in life...see like I said I can justify all behaviour by saying it serves to help reproduce just like you can justify all behaviour as being avoiding pain or seeking pleasure and like there being no altruistic acts. There is one thing you cant deny though homosexuality is a pointless and futile evolutionary trait and more then likely will sooner or later be cleansed from our population.

Recorded history says otherwise.


If homosexuality is a pointless evolutionary trait so are many others things that give us pleasure.  In other words, so what?

[24KT]

Hey, if sex were only there for reproduction then the entire birth control industry would not exist; sure, it gets the job done but most people fuck for pleasure, not to reproduce, unless of course you are a Quaker.

Ya right. I'll betcha more than a few Quakers are trying to 'reproduce' at the most unlikely times.  

Then they're probably a whole bunch of Quaker wives on the pill, but trying like heck to make a baby.  

[24KT]

Recorded history says otherwise.


If homosexuality is a pointless evolutionary trait so are many others things that give us pleasure.  In other words, so what?

The ability to derive pleasure from sex is in itself an inherited evolutionary trait guaranteeing survival of the species.

[tonymctones]

Recorded history says otherwise.


If homosexuality is a pointless evolutionary trait so are many others things that give us pleasure.  In other words, so what?

LOL recorded history goes back how many yrs, 32 thousand yrs and thats if you count cave paintings if you count actually language what a few thousand yrs. Evolution takes hundreds of thousands of years if not more in a stable enviroment.

Homosexuality is not just a trait it is also a choice you refuse to recognize that, if it were merely a trait it would be different but its not its a behavior. Again I can defend any behavior other then homosexuality as a behavior that contributes to our continued species, just like you can defend just about any behavior as being seeking pleasure or avoiding pain.

[OzmO]

LOL recorded history goes back how many yrs, 32 thousand yrs and thats if you count cave paintings if you count actually language what a few thousand yrs. Evolution takes hundreds of thousands of years if not more in a stable enviroment.

Homosexuality is not just a trait it is also a choice you refuse to recognize that, if it were merely a trait it would be different but its not its a behavior. Again I can defend any behavior other then homosexuality as a behavior that contributes to our continued species, just like you can defend just about any behavior as being seeking pleasure or avoiding pain.

You can defend any behavior other than homosexuality as a behavior that contributes to continued species?

Ok:  Picking your nose.

[OzmO]

LOL recorded history goes back how many yrs, 32 thousand yrs and thats if you count cave paintings if you count actually language what a few thousand yrs. Evolution takes hundreds of thousands of years if not more in a stable enviroment.

Homosexuality is not just a trait it is also a choice you refuse to recognize that, if it were merely a trait it would be different but its not its a behavior. Again I can defend any behavior other then homosexuality as a behavior that contributes to our continued species, just like you can defend just about any behavior as being seeking pleasure or avoiding pain.

Well if you believe in evolution:

 While the homosexual bonding system in Bonobos represent the highest frequency of homosexuality known in any species, homosexuality has been reported for all great apes (a group which includes humans), as well as a number of other primate species.[36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44]

From wiki.

It's been around. 

[tonymctones]

You can defend any behavior other than homosexuality as a behavior that contributes to continued species?

Ok:  Picking your nose.

pp in general prefer mates that take care of themselves and are healthy so that they will be able to take care and provide for their offspring. An unkept person gives the impression of a weakly irresponsible individual and one not well suited to produce offspring. So picking your nose could be looked at as keepig yourself groomed and more attractive to the opposite sex. SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just like picking your nose could be described as seeking pleasure....heres one for you, how about ppl who get pleasure from pain?

[OzmO]

pp in general prefer mates that take care of themselves and are healthy so that they will be able to take care and provide for their offspring. An unkept person gives the impression of a weakly irresponsible individual and one not well suited to produce offspring. So picking your nose could be looked at as keepig yourself groomed and more attractive to the opposite sex. SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just like picking your nose could be described as seeking pleasure....heres one for you, how about ppl who get pleasure from pain?

lolololololoololol


I feel pleased once i get that nugget out!
 

[tonymctones]

Well if you believe in evolution:

 While the homosexual bonding system in Bonobos represent the highest frequency of homosexuality known in any species, homosexuality has been reported for all great apes (a group which includes humans), as well as a number of other primate species.[36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44]

From wiki.

It's been around. 

No doubt ive known this since my monkeys, apes and humans class in college that in no way justifies homosexuality, also the majority of homosexual behavior in primates isnt intercourse, humping in bonobos, apes, baboons etc...is a way of recognition/reconciliation...they also practice infantcide and the patriarch or matriarch will often kill the babies of other children so that their linage will be the next ruling leader of their group should we also adopt those behaviors as well. No there is a huge difference betweeen us as humans and them as apes and that is cognitive ability we have it and should use it.

[tonymctones]

No doubt ive known this since my monkeys, apes and humans class in college that in no way justifies homosexuality, also the majority of homosexual behavior in primates isnt intercourse, humping in bonobos, apes, baboons etc...is a way of recognition/reconciliation...they also practice infantcide and the patriarch or matriarch will often kill the babies of other children so that their linage will be the next ruling leader of their group should we also adopt those behaviors as well. No there is a huge difference betweeen us as humans and them as apes and that is cognitive ability we have it and should use it.

actually ive never heard of sexual intercourse between two same sex species...

[OzmO]

No doubt ive known this since my monkeys, apes and humans class in college that in no way justifies homosexuality, also the majority of homosexual behavior in primates isnt intercourse, humping in bonobos, apes, baboons etc...is a way of recognition/reconciliation...they also practice infantcide and the patriarch or matriarch will often kill the babies of other children so that their linage will be the next ruling leader of their group should we also adopt those behaviors as well. No there is a huge difference betweeen us as humans and them as apes and that is cognitive ability we have it and should use it.

I'm not trying to justify homosexuality.  I'm only saying its been around since recorded history, it was likely around before that, and it will be around hundreds of thousands of years from now.

[tonymctones]

I'm not trying to justify homosexuality.  I'm only saying its been around since recorded history, it was likely around before that, and it will be around hundreds of thousands of years from now.

again recorded history is a blip in time compared to total history, evolution takes hundreds of thousands if not millions of years. If it is still around in a hundred thousand years it will probably still be just as pointless...

NOW onto the important shit explain ppl who get pleasure from pain using your theory that are actions are either seeking pleasure or avoiding pain?

[OzmO]

again recorded history is a blip in time compared to total history, evolution takes hundreds of thousands if not millions of years. If it is still around in a hundred thousand years it will probably still be just as pointless...

NOW onto the important shit explain ppl who get pleasure from pain using your theory that are actions are either seeking pleasure or avoiding pain?

Perception is reality.  To them, this kind of pain is pleasurable. 

However, John Mellencamp said it best:  "Hurts so good!"

[24KT]

Perception is reality.  To them, this kind of pain is pleasurable. 

However, John Mellencamp said it best:  "Hurts so good!"

Ooooh, ...you just got my attention there. 

[tonymctones]

Ooooh, ...you just got my attention there. 

LOL i thought that wasnt your cup of tea but im pleased it is