Author Topic: Democratic Socialist BERNIE SANDERS- THE TRUE representative of THE PEOPLE (Read 3895 times)

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:49:47 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on April 28, 2009, 06:08:04 PM

Bernie is against amnesty for illegal aliens and open borders.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:59:28 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 28, 2009, 06:49:47 PM

Bernie is against amnesty for illegal aliens and open borders.

WHERE and WHY do you make this shit up?

Take a look at Bernie Sanders stances on immigration. You really embarass yourself when you resort to lies and fiction.

Bernie Sanders on Immigration
Click here for 10 full quotes on Immigration OR background on Immigration.
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
Rated 0% by FAIR, indicating a voting record loosening immigration. (Dec 2003)
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:00:32 PM »

Last year he was against the amnesty bill.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:03:46 PM »

You can apologize now.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:10:05 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 28, 2009, 07:00:32 PM

Last year he was against the amnesty bill.

Again, he does not want to increase the Guest Worker program. He is not against amnesty and is for open borders as the video you posted shows.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:13:18 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on April 28, 2009, 07:10:05 PM

Again, he does not want to increase the Guest Worker program. He is not against amnesty and is for open borders as the video you posted shows.

He said specificially he is not in favor of increasing poverty by brining in millions of peasants. What dont you understand about that?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:16:10 PM »

2006: Voted for temporary amnesty for certain Central Americans Rep. Sanders voted against the Tancredo Amendment to H.R. 5441, the fiscal year 2007 Department of Homeland Security (DHS) appropriations bill. The Tancredo Amendment would prohibit funds appropriated by H.R. 5441 from being used to administer extensions of the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) amnesty for Guatemalans, Hondurans, or Nicaraguans. The Tancredo Amendment failed by a vote of 134-284-1 on May 25, 2006 (10:06 PM).

2007: Voted in favor of the DREAM Act amnesty for illegal aliens Sen. Sanders voted in favor of a motion to invoke cloture on S. 2205, the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act of 2007. S. 2205 would reward up to 2.1 million illegal aliens with amnesty. The motion to invoke cloture failed by a vote of 52 to 44 (24 October 2007; 12:27pm).

2007: Voted against amendment to strip amnesty provisions from S. 1348 in 2007 Sen. Sanders voted against the Vitter Amendment to strip the amnesty provisions from S. 1348 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Harry Reid). The Vitter Amendment failed by a vote of 29 to 66 (24 May 2007; 5:59pm).

2007: Voted on Senate floor against amendment to create a disincentive to apply for amnesty Sen. Sanders voted against the Cornyn Amendment (SA 1250) to S. 1348 to discourage applicants from applying for amnesty by eliminating the provisions protecting the confidentiality of the information contained in amnesty applications and, instead, requires the sharing of application-related information upon the request of a law enforcement agency, intelligence, or national security agency, or DHS component when requested in connection with a duly-authorized investigation of a civil violation. The Cornyn Amendment passed by a vote of 57 to 39 (6 June 2007; 6:50pm).

2007: Voted on Senate floor against amendment to bar certain criminals from amnesty Sen. Sanders voted against the Cornyn Amendment (SA 1184) to S. 1385 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Harry Reid) to bar criminal aliens from receiving amnesty. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff has estimated that 15% of illegal aliens are criminals. The Cornyn Amendment failed by a vote of 46 to 51 (6 June 2007; 12:25pm).

2002: Voted to reward illegal immigrants with the Section 245(i) amnesty Rep. Sanders voted for H RES 365, a four-month extension of Section 245(i), an amnesty for illegal aliens that rewards illegal immigrants with residency by allowing certain illegal aliens to pay a $1,000 fine, to apply for a green card in this country, and to stay without fear of deportation. H RES 365 passed by a vote of 275 to 137.

1998: H.R.3553, co-sponsored legislation to award amnesty to illegal aliens. Rep. Sanders co-sponsored H.R.3553, which would have awarded amnesty to almost 1.2 million illegal immigrants, in addition to the almost one million who were granted amnesty in 1997. It would have sent a clear message to other would-be illegal immigrants that they might as well come to the U.S. and wait for Congress to reward them with legal status, too.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:17:04 PM »

1999: Co-sponsored H.R.36, legislation to pass another amnesty. H.R.36 would have rewarded approximately one million illegal aliens from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Haiti, including their spouses and children, with a direct path to U.S. citizenship.

1997: Voted against the Rohrabacher Motion to H.R. 2267 to kill the Section 245(i) amnesty Rep. Sanders voted against the Rohrabacher Motion to H.R. 2267 to kill the Section 245(i) amnesty that allowed certain illegal aliens to pay a fee and avoid a 1996 law\'s provision that punishes illegal aliens by barring them for 10 years from entering the U.S. on a legal visa as a student, tourist, worker or immigrant. The Rohrabacher Motion failed by a vote of 153-268.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:18:35 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 28, 2009, 07:13:18 PM

He said specificially he is not in favor of increasing poverty by brining in millions of peasants. What dont you understand about that?

He is talking of the Guest Worker program and the proposed increase which he does not support. He supports amnesty and open borders as his record indicates.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:19:45 PM »

You can post whatever garbage you want. You never debate, only post nosense and clips from whatever site you can drum up that you think proves some type of point.

This clip i showed you was about the amnesty bill last year and he was against it for the same reasons people like myself are against it, IT SUCKS!

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:21:50 PM »

Play your little word games all you want, the clip i posted completely destroyed your argument. Last years bill was amnesty and also increased the guest worker plan. He was against it because he was at least honest about the fact that it will increase poverty.

Of course, socialists like yourself could care less if we bring in millions of peasants to go on welfare since that is the socialists dream.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:22:08 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 28, 2009, 07:19:45 PM

You can post whatever garbage you want. You never debate, only post nosense and clips from whatever site you can drum up that you think proves some type of point.

This clip i showed you was about the amnesty bill last year and he was against it for the same reasons people like myself are against it, IT SUCKS!

I posted his Voting record which supports Amnesty. He is NOT against amnesty, just the proposed increase in the guest worker program which was in the certain bill at hand. BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTS AMNESTY. LOOK AT HIS VOTING RECORD!
What is wrong with you?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:24:20 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on April 28, 2009, 07:22:08 PM

I posted his Voting record which supports Amnesty. He is NOT against amnesty, just the proposed increase in the guest worker program which was in the certain bill at hand. BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTS AMNESTY. LOOK AT HIS VOTING RECORD!
What is wrong with you?

What is wrong with me is that I posted a clip of him directly going against the amnesty plan of last year and he said it would increase poverty. For some reason you refuse to believe him.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:27:05 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 28, 2009, 07:24:20 PM

What is wrong with me is that I posted a clip of him directly going against the amnesty plan of last year and he said it would increase poverty. For some reason you refuse to believe him.

LISTEN to your clip. He is Against the increase in Guest Worker provisions in the bill and NOT against Amnesty, and states that the bill needs to be reworked because of this.

Again, look at his voting record and look how Anti-Immigration sites score him. They score him very low because he supports Open borders and Amnesty.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #15 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:29:36 PM »

http://sanders.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=274864

Immigration

Date Posted: 05/22/2007
"The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act addresses the concern all of us have about securing our borders, something I strongly support. It addresses the need to hold employers accountable for hiring illegal immigrants, something the Bush administration has neglected. It addresses the contentious and difficult issue of how we respond to the reality that there are some 12 million illegal immigrants in this country today, and carves out a path which eventually leads to citizenship, which I also support. What concerns me," Senator Sanders said, "are provisions in the bill that would bring low-wage workers into this country in order to depress the already declining wages of American workers. With poverty increasing and the middle-class shrinking, we must not force American workers into even more economic distress."[/b]

The True Adonis · « **Reply #16 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:35:59 PM »

Hope that helped.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #17 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:42:48 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on April 28, 2009, 07:35:59 PM

Hope that helped.

Not really because you obviously heard something different than I did. By the way, whether its a guest worker plan or amnesty, both have the same effect.

Busted · « **Reply #18 on:** April 29, 2009, 06:20:12 AM »

Adonis, Arguing with a right wing nut job is like arguing with a racist and trying to understand why they are racist. No logic, never any evidence of their stances, just brainwashed morons..

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #19 on:** April 29, 2009, 06:23:48 AM »

Quote from: Busted on April 29, 2009, 06:20:12 AM

Adonis, Arguing with a right wing nut job is like arguing with a racist and trying to understand why they are racist. No logic, never any evidence of their stances, just brainwashed morons..

You do a good job calling names like a 5 year old.

Why not watch the clip I posted and lets talk about why allowing in millions of peasants from mexico is or is not a good idea?

MRDUMPLING · « **Reply #20 on:** April 29, 2009, 06:53:00 AM »

He isn't a right wing nutjob. He is telling it how it is. Open borders and the immigration problem is hurting this country. It's a shame that it is considered racism to say that it is. If there was an issue with Canada then I know I would be just as vocal about it as 333 would be.

That being said, TA I honestly for the most part like Bernie Sanders; he has a great many ideas. If I had the chance though I would never vote for him because of his stance on illegal immigration. By your own facts that you posted I don't agree with him. I think that is part of the problem with this country. Second, where does Bernie think this money will come from? I enjoyed watching Bernie ream Greenspan, but what is his thoughts on the current tax burden of Americans? Something has to give and we have a much bigger population than other nations with healthcare which obviously means more money will be needed.

BM OUT · « **Reply #21 on:** April 29, 2009, 06:56:41 AM »

Adonis,can you please name ONE government program that works.Name one thing they are involved with that has gotten better.Social security?Medicare?Medicaid?The post office?Everything they touch turns to crap,but you want them to be more involved.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #22 on:** April 29, 2009, 07:01:25 AM »

Quote from: MRDUMPLING on April 29, 2009, 06:53:00 AM

He isn't a right wing nutjob. He is telling it how it is. Open borders and the immigration problem is hurting this country. It's a shame that it is considered racism to say that it is. If there was an issue with Canada then I know I would be just as vocal about it as 333 would be.

That being said, TA I honestly for the most part like Bernie Sanders; he has a great many ideas. If I had the chance though I would never vote for him because of his stance on illegal immigration. By your own facts that you posted I don't agree with him. I think that is part of the problem with this country. Second, where does Bernie think this money will come from? I enjoyed watching Bernie ream Greenspan, but what is his thoughts on the current tax burden of Americans? Something has to give and we have a much bigger population than other nations with healthcare which obviously means more money will be needed.

Most of these posters have no concept of supply and demand economics. They are utterly clueless about this issue.

Big business and racial special interest groups keep "supplying" the USA with low wage low skilled workers who now are in direct competition with American workers. This supply has been unending. The people who are being imported are willing to work for less, live a lower standard of living, and dont plan on staying here and sending their money home.

Thus, the demand for native american workers is less and hence their salaries less because their is an over supply of these low wage immigrants.

Until we restrict illegal immigration, crack down on employers, and get serious about this issue, wages will remain stagnant for low skilled American workers.

How anyone does not understand this basic concept is beyond me.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #23 on:** April 29, 2009, 07:03:52 AM »

And I forgot to mention, the group who gets screwed the worse out of this are blacks.

Black people should be livid over this policy that cuts their legs out from under them.

Its a disgrace.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #24 on:** April 29, 2009, 02:26:30 PM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on April 29, 2009, 06:56:41 AM

Adonis,can you please name ONE government program that works.Name one thing they are involved with that has gotten better.Social security?Medicare?Medicaid?The post office?Everything they touch turns to crap,but you want them to be more involved.

National Institute of Health, NIH, is just one of the MANY, MANY, MANY government programs that work.

I have listed at least 50 departments in previous threads and will not bother to do your homework for you for now. Shame on you if you do not have the wherewithal to do a little research.