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Re: Athletes Rep - Chick has the easier job
« Reply #175 on: May 02, 2009, 05:24:07 PM »
I dont hand out penalties or punishments, ImBasile...


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Re: Athletes Rep - Chick has the easier job
« Reply #176 on: May 02, 2009, 05:29:19 PM »
What Getbiggers find hard to believe is that Chick still wants that pro rep position even though it is completely unpaid. Sounds like the Pro League have the perfect stooge for the job.

You know folks, sit back and think about the ironical reality. The Pro League appointed a former deputy sheriff to represent the pro athletes. WTF was that? Why appoint a guy with a background like that? Seems to me Bob is doing cadet deputy sheriff work for the IFBB. You know, serve a notice on Lee Priest then enforce that order later. He is good at handing out penalties and punishments. He always explains why the offender deserved what he got. You gotta admire the diligence that Bob C puts into that unpaid position.



Perhaps is because Bob actually gives a shit about other pro bodybuilders rather than only thinking of himself.  I would honestly say a big factor was having to work so long to get his pro card that its a lot more meaningful to him than to others.


Lee Priest was thinking about his wallet when he turned his back on the IFBB to compete in the PDI.  Lee Priest was NOT thinking when he trashed Ben Weider in MD.



The fact is the Lee Priest knew what would happen and he did it anyway just to make some money off beating some amatuer athletes and he thought he would be let back in quickly because he was the great Lee Priest.  That was his ego thinking

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Vince's email to a "celebheights" website, claiming to have personally measured Arnold at 6"1.5

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #178 on: May 02, 2009, 06:56:25 PM »

Funny thing - you need an IFBB pro in good terms to be the athletes rep. 

Please - tell me if there is anyone who wants to be the athlete rep beside's Chick.  Let them put it out there.

But, once they realize what they need to do, it changes.

Shawn Ray understands... so do others...


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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #179 on: May 02, 2009, 06:57:45 PM »
Funny thing - you need an IFBB pro in good terms to be the athletes rep. 

Please - tell me if there is anyone who wants to be the athlete rep beside's Chick.  Let them put it out there.

But, once they realize what they need to do, it changes.

Shawn Ray understands... so do others...




But Ron... You are the perfect candidate for athletes rep! Smart, well spoken and with connections all over the industry. You bring a new point of view to the scene.

Ron: When will you apply to become an athletes rep? >:(

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #180 on: May 02, 2009, 07:36:32 PM »
Chick,

Can you list your sources of income at the moment:  endorsements, magazines, etc.  and then also state who owns these companies...?

Bodybuilding.com/ Liberty/ Deluca family
AMI/ stockholders
Eggwhites Int./ stockholders
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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #181 on: May 02, 2009, 07:38:27 PM »
Funny thing - you need an IFBB pro in good terms to be the athletes rep. 

Please - tell me if there is anyone who wants to be the athlete rep beside's Chick.  Let them put it out there.

But, once they realize what they need to do, it changes.

Shawn Ray understands... so do others...


Problem is nobody wants to work for free.

Why Chick does this is beyond me...

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #182 on: May 02, 2009, 07:40:50 PM »
Bodybuilding.com/ Liberty/ Deluca family
AMI/ stockholders
Eggwhites Int./ stockholders
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What, no G4P or drug dealing?  :o      And you call yourself an IFBB pro?  >:(
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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #183 on: May 02, 2009, 07:45:01 PM »
Yaroni Aviden for proBB rep >:(

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Re: Chick, do the athlete's you represent, fear you?
« Reply #184 on: May 02, 2009, 09:17:19 PM »
Guys..the fact of the matter is that Chick has no power.....bodybuilders are selfish and only care for themselves....Chick couldn't get these guys united if he was God....these BB'ers only go to Chick when they are in trouble (like Lee Priest)...otherwise..they could care less that Chick is the Bodybuilder's Rep.....

thats not a knock on Chick..it's the reality

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Re: Chick, do the athlete's you represent, fear you?
« Reply #185 on: May 02, 2009, 09:21:12 PM »
looks like you guys are starting to see what i have seen all along w/ the chicky chicky boom boom

and god lately hes been living on here...hes like a retired old dude who is always home yelling at people
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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #186 on: May 02, 2009, 09:59:10 PM »
Bodybuilding.com/ Liberty/ Deluca family
AMI/ stockholders
Eggwhites Int./ stockholders
SAG

I have a question about Eggwhites Int'l:   I see on your website that your best price for egg whites is a 4-gallon carton for $112 + $20 shipping, which works out to $33/gal.   http://www.eggwhitesint.com/store.php?crn=66&rn=283&action=show_detail   I can go down to my local Wal-Mart and purchase Egg Beaters 100% egg whites for $1.98 for a pint carton, which works out to $15.84/gal.  So my question is, why would I buy from Eggwhites Int'l and pay more than twice as much for the same item, plus have to deal with the hassles of shipping and huge gallon jugs?  A follow-up question is, how long do you intend to stay in business with your  current pricing structure?

Thanks, Bob!  :D
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Re: Chick, do the athlete's you represent, fear you?
« Reply #187 on: May 03, 2009, 12:29:46 AM »
looks like you guys are starting to see what i have seen all along w/ the chicky chicky boom boom

and god lately hes been living on here...hes like a retired old dude who is always home yelling at people



Look whose talking about living on here, Bluto.

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #188 on: May 03, 2009, 04:27:55 AM »
I have a question about Eggwhites Int'l:   I see on your website that your best price for egg whites is a 4-gallon carton for $112 + $20 shipping, which works out to $33/gal.   http://www.eggwhitesint.com/store.php?crn=66&rn=283&action=show_detail   I can go down to my local Wal-Mart and purchase Egg Beaters 100% egg whites for $1.98 for a pint carton, which works out to $15.84/gal.  So my question is, why would I buy from Eggwhites Int'l and pay more than twice as much for the same item, plus have to deal with the hassles of shipping and huge gallon jugs?  A follow-up question is, how long do you intend to stay in business with your  current pricing structure?

Thanks, Bob!  :D

Do a little homework and see why egg ehites from us, are a different product than Egg Beaters...

Thata said, ever actually eat them?  They taste gritty and like the carton they come in

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #189 on: May 03, 2009, 04:37:53 AM »
shawn ray would also make a good athletes rep...

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #190 on: May 03, 2009, 06:33:40 AM »
The flamboyant Nasser would make the best athlete's rep. He would dear to say and go where others (Chick) would not

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #191 on: May 03, 2009, 08:50:24 AM »
Problem is nobody wants to work for free.

Why Chick does this is beyond me...


Because he ACTUALLY wants to makes things better for the sport that he cares about.


Unlike Milos or Lee, they may complain about how bodybuilders are treated, but when it comes to some actual action, they are MIA. 



Remember Lee said he was going to start some foundation to raise money for bodybuilders in need????  Where is it..




Talk is cheap but at least Chick is ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKING A CHANGE FOR THE SPORT WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER. 

At the end of the day, Chick is out there arguing and working with IFBB officials doing things to change the sport while Milos is hosting another "seminar".   

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #192 on: May 03, 2009, 12:05:21 PM »
Do a little homework and see why egg ehites from us, are a different product than Egg Beaters...

Thata said, ever actually eat them?  They taste gritty and like the carton they come in


I believe both products have exactly one ingredient:  "egg whites".  How the hell "different" could they be, to justify twice the price?  ::)
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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #193 on: May 03, 2009, 12:10:39 PM »

Because he ACTUALLY wants to makes things better for the sport that he cares about.


Unlike Milos or Lee, they may complain about how bodybuilders are treated, but when it comes to some actual action, they are MIA. 



Remember Lee said he was going to start some foundation to raise money for bodybuilders in need????  Where is it..




Talk is cheap but at least Chick is ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKING A CHANGE FOR THE SPORT WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER. 

At the end of the day, Chick is out there arguing and working with IFBB officials doing things to change the sport while Milos is hosting another "seminar".   



Good post.

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #194 on: May 03, 2009, 12:31:29 PM »

I believe both products have exactly one ingredient:  "egg whites".  How the hell "different" could they be, to justify twice the price?  ::)

Didn't you hear him?  Do your own research.  Obviously Bob is not a salesman.  He just collects the checks.

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #196 on: May 03, 2009, 03:35:44 PM »

Because he ACTUALLY wants to makes things better for the sport that he cares about.


Unlike Milos or Lee, they may complain about how bodybuilders are treated, but when it comes to some actual action, they are MIA. 



Remember Lee said he was going to start some foundation to raise money for bodybuilders in need????  Where is it..




Talk is cheap but at least Chick is ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKING A CHANGE FOR THE SPORT WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER. 

At the end of the day, Chick is out there arguing and working with IFBB officials doing things to change the sport while Milos is hosting another "seminar".   



Melvin, you really are naive and simple. Maybe you are trying to score some points by trying to support Bob and his role as the IFBB company stooge?

Just stop and think for a moment. Why do bodybuilders need someone to represent them? If the contests were fair dinkum why would anyone be upset and have issues? Well, over the decades plenty of questionable things have happened to the hapless bodybuilders. So many unsatisfactory things combine to make things less that perfect for the competing bodybuilders. The point is that if the organization was responsible and fair there should be no need to have anyone look after the competitors because the organization would be doing that. That we do need someone to campaign for conditions and so on for the bodybuilders proves the officials behind the contests leave much to be desired.

Here are some important issues affecting all competing bodybuilders.

1. What judging system is being used. Should there be scoring rounds or just comparisons to separate and place competitors? Should judging occur only at the prejudging?

    What criteria should be used to assess physiques? What about a posing round? How much importance should each factor have?

    When do bodybuilders get to add input to this important issue? Can judging criteria and processes be changed to make contests fairer?

2. How many judges should there be and what qualifications should they have? Who picks the judges? 

3. What is the procedure to deal with questionable judging? How does any competitor redress grievances re placings that are lower than expected?

    What to do when a competitor feels a judge or judges will not be fair?

    Can unfair and biased judges be removed and perhaps banned for life? How do we assess whether a judge is biased or unfair?

4. Re health: what is going to be done about steroids and other drug use in bodybuilding? Should there be out of comp testing? What is done to those who test positive?

5. What about the issue of augmenting muscles to appear larger than they are? Additives such as oil based substances and inserts should not be allowed. Penalties for offenders?

6. What kind of posing wear should be allowed and can bodybuilders have an input on such standards?

7. The issue of implants to augment missing tissue in mammary glands of female competitors. Should they be outlawed to make the sport more natural? Maybe athletes shouldn't vote here?

8. The use of chemicals and substances to change body colour. Such 'tanning' agents probably shouldn't be part of the sport.

9. The amount and division of prize money. Who decides and do the competitors have a say about this important business?

10. The rules re professionalism. Can bodybuilders have a say re the process of qualifying as a professional? Can competitors lose their professional status if standards drop?

11. The issue of signing contracts for competition with various organizations and businesses. This is quite complicated but important if if makes a difference to livelihood.

12. The issue of behaviour outside of competition. Are there inappropriate ways to behave and earn money? The issue of G4P and porn should be clear so that everyone knows the rules.
     
      What are the penalties if competitors offend and have inappropriate lifestyles? Should competitors with criminal records be allowed to compete? What about issues re selling of drugs?

13. Should competitors have a say about photos and videos taken at contests? Should there be someone to oversee what photos are used in magazines and on the internet? The point is       
      that images and videos do impact on perceptions of bodybuilders and can therefore influence judging in future contests.

14. How to deal with promoters and various issues competitors might have regarding how they are treated and conditions they endure while competing at various locations.

15. How to deal with publicity and the media before, during and after contests. Anything that can impact on placings should be something competitors can voice opinions about.

16. The internet and freedom of voicing opinions. Should bodybuilders be allowed to have freedom of speech regarding bodybuilding, contests and lifestyles? Should organizations be
      able to limit participation in online forums? If the internet influences placings in contests then bodybuilders should have a say about this whole enterprise. Should competitors be
      allowed to post or have posted for them various photos and videos of condition leading up to contests?

17. Who gets to run bodybuilding in the various countries around the world? Do bodybuilders have a say in who is organizing the contests? Are these people replaceable through open

      elections held annually? What is needed is transparancy and the absence of any person who might show bias one way or other to anyone who is competing. Positive and negative bias

      are both undesirable. What are the standards for becoming a professional and should there even be any such thing? Do bodybuilders have a say here?

18.  What behaviour is acceptable and what forbidden re judges and officials? Can these people speak out or should they be limited in what they can say? Eg., voicing opinions about

       competitors and placings.

19. The issue of women's competition. Categories, criteria, scoring, etc., etc., etc.

20. Issues of having a union for and of competitors to have rules and a voice re concerns. What role will this union have and what power is vested in it? Elections for reps?

21. Health issues re bodybuilding. Concerns about both short term and long term issues. Can bodybuilders be covered for health insurance?

22. Issues where winners, etc., are invited to be at contests, etc. Eg., should all winners be invited if past winners are being introduced at say a Mr Olympia contest?

23. How to deal with disclosures in the future re cheating and bias in contests? What process should be followed and what penalties dealt out? Can winners and  placegetters be stripped of

      titles, trophies and prizemoney?

24. Issues re the eligibility of contestants. Should you be allowed to win the Mr or Ms Olympia only once? Can bodybuilders decide this issue?

25. Review of all rules, codes, regulations and procedures in bodybuilding? What input can bodybuilders have? How frequent is this process and who is overseeing this process and when

      and where is this held? Can the constitution be changed by the bodybuilders? What is the process and what is the quorum required?



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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #197 on: May 03, 2009, 03:45:24 PM »
Fair Dinkum chaps! Come on! Floatsam! In my white van! Now! The fat sheilas are waiting!

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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #198 on: May 03, 2009, 03:58:58 PM »
Melvin, you really are naive and simple. Maybe you are trying to score some points by trying to support Bob and his role as the IFBB company stooge?

Just stop and think for a moment. Why do bodybuilders need someone to represent them? If the contests were fair dinkum why would anyone be upset and have issues? Well, over the decades plenty of questionable things have happened to the hapless bodybuilders. So many unsatisfactory things combine to make things less that perfect for the competing bodybuilders. The point is that if the organization was responsible and fair there should be no need to have anyone look after the competitors because the organization would be doing that. That we do need someone to campaign for conditions and so on for the bodybuilders proves the officials behind the contests leave much to be desired.



Same reason the NFL has a players union, MLB, NHL, NBA, and every other sport...if the athletes dont look out for themselves, we find ourselves back 10 years ago, with less money to show and unfair treatment as per the last management that was in place

Here are some important issues affecting all competing bodybuilders.

1. What judging system is being used. Should there be scoring rounds or just comparisons to separate and place competitors? Should judging occur only at the prejudging?

    What criteria should be used to assess physiques? What about a posing round? How much importance should each factor have?

    When do bodybuilders get to add input to this important issue? Can judging criteria and processes be changed to make contests fairer?


Already been brought up and changes to the judging criteria has been put in place...as per the last 3 Pro League meetings

2. How many judges should there be and what qualifications should they have? Who picks the judges? 

3. What is the procedure to deal with questionable judging? How does any competitor redress grievances re placings that are lower than expected?

    What to do when a competitor feels a judge or judges will not be fair?

Thats why they have a rep, to go to with questions or concerns...which many have done.

    Can unfair and biased judges be removed and perhaps banned for life? How do we assess whether a judge is biased or unfair?

They have a system in place that drops highs and lows, thus making it hard for any one judge to make much of an impact

4. Re health: what is going to be done about steroids and other drug use in bodybuilding? Should there be out of comp testing? What is done to those who test positive?

5. What about the issue of augmenting muscles to appear larger than they are? Additives such as oil based substances and inserts should not be allowed. Penalties for offenders?

Actually one of the very few issues we agree on...if it looks funky, and detracts from the physique...the athlete in question should be placed last

6. What kind of posing wear should be allowed and can bodybuilders have an input on such standards?

7. The issue of implants to augment missing tissue in mammary glands of female competitors. Should they be outlawed to make the sport more natural? Maybe athletes shouldn't vote here?

Any bonus in making the women LESS feminine or atractive?


8. The use of chemicals and substances to change body colour. Such 'tanning' agents probably shouldn't be part of the sport.

9. The amount and division of prize money. Who decides and do the competitors have a say about this important business?

10. The rules re professionalism. Can bodybuilders have a say re the process of qualifying as a professional? Can competitors lose their professional status if standards drop?

11. The issue of signing contracts for competition with various organizations and businesses. This is quite complicated but important if if makes a difference to livelihood.

12. The issue of behaviour outside of competition. Are there inappropriate ways to behave and earn money? The issue of G4P and porn should be clear so that everyone knows the rules.


The ACLU might have something to say about that...
     
      What are the penalties if competitors offend and have inappropriate lifestyles? Should competitors with criminal records be allowed to compete? What about issues re selling of drugs?

13. Should competitors have a say about photos and videos taken at contests? Should there be someone to oversee what photos are used in magazines and on the internet? The point is       
      that images and videos do impact on perceptions of bodybuilders and can therefore influence judging in future contests.


Irrelevant as judges should be judging on whats standing in front of them, not what some picture on the internet looked like

14. How to deal with promoters and various issues competitors might have regarding how they are treated and conditions they endure while competing at various locations.


Bring it up to the rep

15. How to deal with publicity and the media before, during and after contests. Anything that can impact on placings should be something competitors can voice opinions about.

16. The internet and freedom of voicing opinions. Should bodybuilders be allowed to have freedom of speech regarding bodybuilding, contests and lifestyles? Should organizations be
      able to limit participation in online forums? If the internet influences placings in contests then bodybuilders should have a say about this whole enterprise. Should competitors be
      allowed to post or have posted for them various photos and videos of condition leading up to contests?

17. Who gets to run bodybuilding in the various countries around the world? Do bodybuilders have a say in who is organizing the contests? Are these people replaceable through open

      elections held annually? What is needed is transparancy and the absence of any person who might show bias one way or other to anyone who is competing. Positive and negative bias

      are both undesirable. What are the standards for becoming a professional and should there even be any such thing? Do bodybuilders have a say here?

18.  What behaviour is acceptable and what forbidden re judges and officials? Can these people speak out or should they be limited in what they can say? Eg., voicing opinions about

       competitors and placings.

19. The issue of women's competition. Categories, criteria, scoring, etc., etc., etc.

20. Issues of having a union for and of competitors to have rules and a voice re concerns. What role will this union have and what power is vested in it? Elections for reps?

21. Health issues re bodybuilding. Concerns about both short term and long term issues. Can bodybuilders be covered for health insurance?


They have  group health coverage available to them as of 2 years ago

22. Issues where winners, etc., are invited to be at contests, etc. Eg., should all winners be invited if past winners are being introduced at say a Mr Olympia contest?

23. How to deal with disclosures in the future re cheating and bias in contests? What process should be followed and what penalties dealt out? Can winners and  placegetters be stripped of

      titles, trophies and prizemoney?

24. Issues re the eligibility of contestants. Should you be allowed to win the Mr or Ms Olympia only once? Can bodybuilders decide this issue?

25. Review of all rules, codes, regulations and procedures in bodybuilding? What input can bodybuilders have? How frequent is this process and who is overseeing this process and when

      and where is this held? Can the constitution be changed by the bodybuilders? What is the process and what is the quorum required?




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Re: Athletes Rep - How it works
« Reply #199 on: May 03, 2009, 05:10:44 PM »
Bob,

Where exactly was the athlete rep job posted, after Shawn resigned??