Why is college so expensive?

[Soul Crusher]

Don`t forget the myraid of PRIVATE LOANS that have ravaged the University system.  Private Loans have become HUGELY PREDATORY in nature and are by far worse than the Government backed loans.

I agree, the entire system is insane and creates slaves to debt.

But make no mistake, the govt bears as much responsibility for this as to the private lenders and schools themselves.   

[The True Adonis]

I agree, the entire system is insane and creates slaves to debt.

But make no mistake, the govt bears as much responsibility for this as to the private lenders and schools themselves.   

I think a Community Service Program is also a good idea.  2-4 Years of Community Service and tuition is paid for similar to the GI bill.

The Peace Corp is also a good organization for paying for college.

[Bindare_Dundat]

It's good for a laugh when people still use the word FREE in front of education and healthcare...

[Soul Crusher]

I think a Community Service Program is also a good idea.  2-4 Years of Community Service and tuition is paid for similar to the GI bill.

The Peace Corp is also a good organization for paying for college.

I agree with you about the college system not creating free thinkers and slvaes to debt.  Its horrific.  

To me, it creates a slave class of people who are forced to work for companies just to pay loans and saps these kids of energy and innovation when they have it the most.  

In my mind, someone in their 20's should be in a entreprenuaial position, try different things, take risks, etc to create businesses, create products and services, etc.

However, they cant do that because they are saddled with debt.    

[Deicide]

College should be free for all citizens.  Facts and Knowledge should not be only for those that can afford it.  George Washington`s sole goal which he placed more importance on than any other, was to establish a Free National University system for all Citizens.  Sadly, his dream was never realized.

College is a For-Profit, Capitalistic system which is totally wrong.  The idea is to make money, not educate.

The idea of college and its perception in the United States is also a gross failure.  No longer are they places of learning, but instead have become just a place to get a certificate so that a business can see if you are saddled with debt, thus ensuring that you will not go anywhere and be nothing but an obedient worker.

They LOVE students with debt. “Choice depends on the freedom to choose. And if you’re shackled with debt, you don’t have the freedom to choose.
“People in debt become hopeless, and hopeless people don’t vote…. See, I think there are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all, frighten people, and, secondly, demoralize them. An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern….
“We don’t want people to be educated, healthy and confident because they will get out of control. The top 1 percent of the world’s population owns 80 percent of the world’s wealth.
“It’s incredible that people put up with it. But they’re poor, they’re demoralized, they’re frightened, and therefore they think perhaps the safest thing to do is take orders and hope for the best.”


Tony Benn puts it VERY well here:

Free university=sucks

Really TA about some things you DON'T know...

I studied in two different countries with 'free education'...total crap compared to the American and British system.

[Soul Crusher]

It's good for a laugh when people still use the word FREE in front of education and healthcare...

Nothing is free, ever.

[Soul Crusher]

Anything that is free is usually not worth buying. 

[Deicide]

Nothing is free, ever.

I didn't mean free in a real sense but rather totally non-privatised.

[Soul Crusher]

I didn't mean free in a real sense but rather totally non-privatised.

Whatever the case may be, public private, someone always has to pay. 

[The True Adonis]

Whatever the case may be, public private, someone always has to pay. 

Free in the sense that a National Sales Tax once implemented, will easily cover the cost for all.

[Soul Crusher]

Another reason college is so expensieve is because employees at most colleges and universities are simply not productive.

They teach a few classes a week and command a full time salary.  Its ridiculous.

 

[Soul Crusher]

Free in the sense that a National Sales Tax once implemented, will easily cover the cost for all.

You mean on top of the 7-10% most states already charge?

[The True Adonis]

Anything that is free is usually not worth buying. 

I am happy with my Fire Department, Postal Service and Police Department among many other things.

I doubt hiring a Private Fire Service or a Private Police Service would do much good in my case.

[The True Adonis]

You mean on top of the 7-10% most states already charge?

No, I mean scrapping the entire IRS system and the income tax and pushing the sales tax to 20-30 percent.

I will bump my plan up.

[The True Adonis]

Here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=267602.0

[Soul Crusher]

I am happy with my Fire Department, Postal Service and Police Department among many other things.

I doubt hiring a Private Fire Service or a Private Police Service would do much good in my case.

Many areas in the country have a volunteer fire department and dont require policing because the citizens dont act like animals.

[The True Adonis]

Many areas in the country have a volunteer fire department and dont require policing because the citizens dont act like animals.

A Volunteer Fire Department is the very definition of True Socialism.

They do not discriminate who is in need or if the people will in turn pay for the Fire Department.  They do their job for the benefit of helping their community which in turn has a direct effect on their own well being.

Socialism is definitely in tune for those with a higher brain capacity and a penchant toward altruism instead of selfish profit.

[The Coach]

College should be free for all citizens.  Facts and Knowledge should not be only for those that can afford it.  George Washington`s sole goal which he placed more importance on than any other, was to establish a Free National University system for all Citizens.  Sadly, his dream was never realized.

College is a For-Profit, Capitalistic system which is totally wrong.  The idea is to make money, not educate.

The idea of college and its perception in the United States is also a gross failure.  No longer are they places of learning, but instead have become just a place to get a certificate so that a business can see if you are saddled with debt, thus ensuring that you will not go anywhere and be nothing but an obedient worker.

They LOVE students with debt. “Choice depends on the freedom to choose. And if you’re shackled with debt, you don’t have the freedom to choose.
“People in debt become hopeless, and hopeless people don’t vote…. See, I think there are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all, frighten people, and, secondly, demoralize them. An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern….
“We don’t want people to be educated, healthy and confident because they will get out of control. The top 1 percent of the world’s population owns 80 percent of the world’s wealth.
“It’s incredible that people put up with it. But they’re poor, they’re demoralized, they’re frightened, and therefore they think perhaps the safest thing to do is take orders and hope for the best.”


Tony Benn puts it VERY well here:

Not paying for college is totally unrealistic in any facet. But you have choice, the choice is Private or non-private. For example UCLA is around $15-1800 per semester as opposed to almost $11000 for USC. Either way, like everything else, overhead has to be payed for. You have to look at it in a business sense as well as providing a great education. TA, your little socialist world is a fantasy to make people lazy and to depend on the government for EVERYTHING, it's an impossibility because even if everything were "free" we would still have to pay.

Everything from Kendergarden to highschool, were paying for it in the public school system wether we want to or not. My son goes to a private school, has since day one, but every year I get taxed for public schools. See how this works? (I doubt it)

[The Coach]

A Volunteer Fire Department is the very definition of True Socialism.

They do not discriminate who is in need or if the people will in turn pay for the Fire Department.  They do their job for the benefit of helping their community which in turn has a direct effect on their own well being.

Socialism is definitely in tune for those with a higher brain capacity and a penchant toward altruism instead of selfish profit.

Socialism = lazy ass people.

[Soul Crusher]

Socialism = lazy ass people.

Socialism = people never held accountable to objective results and outcomes.

[The True Adonis]

A Volunteer Fire Department is the very definition of True Socialism.

They do not discriminate who is in need or if the people will in turn pay for the Fire Department.  They do their job for the benefit of helping their community which in turn has a direct effect on their own well being.

Socialism is definitely in tune for those with a higher brain capacity and a penchant toward altruism instead of selfish profit.

Also, there are State and Federal grants available for all Volunteer Fire Departments.

[The True Adonis]

Socialism = people never held accountable to objective results and outcomes.

That makes zero sense.

Albert Einstein, a prominent Socialist, was held accountable by the laws of Physics.

[The True Adonis]

Socialism = lazy ass people.

Yes. Martin Luther King, Albert Einstein, Upton Sinclair, George Orwell, Bertrand Russel, Bernie Sanders, Thomas Paine were all lazy people.

[Soul Crusher]

Yes. Martin Luther King, Albert Einstein, Upton Sinclair, George Orwell, Bertrand Russel, Bernie Sanders, Thomas Paine were all lazy people.

Not one of those people ever made a payroll or were responsible for objective outcomes as far as costs of things go. 

Those are not the type of people that make things work. 

Actual people who do real things do.  Plumbers, painters, bus drivers, sectretaries, doctors, lawyers, contractors, etc make the world work, not people like MLK or Bernie Sanders.

Remember - Those who can do, do.  Those who cant . . . . .   well you know the rest of that line.

 
   

[The True Adonis]

Not one of those people ever made a payroll or were responsible for objective outcomes as far as costs of things go. 

Those are not the type of people that make things work. 

Actual people who do real things do.  Plumbers, painters, bus drivers, sectretaries, doctors, lawyers, contractors, etc make the world work, not people like MLK or Bernie Sanders.

Remember - Those who can do, do.  Those who cant . . . . .   well you know the rest of that line.

 
   

Socialists are all over the place. The Entire Country or Norway is an example.  There is nothing exciting or noteworthy about calling attention to a Socialist Bus Driver.

Bernie Sanders was a Carpenter and a Journalist.  He still loves Carpentry.