THE TRUE ADONIS SOCIALIST TAX PLAN

[The True Adonis]

If you don`t like taxes, don`t pay them.  Civil Dissention is after all, the highest form of patriotism. 

I personally think there should be a National Sales tax ON ALL NEW items. EVERYTHING IS TAXED! with the exception of food and housing. 
Used items should also be tax free.

Changing the nation from a spending to a savings oriented nation will not only reward quality, but will promote correct conservatism as it is meant to be practiced.

This way, people will have total control of every dollar they make and will be in total control of their finance.

Everybody pays the same equally.

We can be as regressive and as progressive as we like with a National Sales Tax as the world economy waxes and wanes.  20 percent is the agreed upon amount by all Fair Tax/National Sales Tax economists. 

[The True Adonis]

This will provide way more money federally than the current broken tax system is capable of doing.

We can fund Universal Healthcare where people still have a private option if they like wasting money.  Defense Spending is more than adequate, Social Welfare needs are taken care of and so on.....

[The True Adonis]

Also, an idea I have been playing with is under this plan, when an Electronic receipt is being processed from a purchase, the consumer then has a menu of where he wants the tax dollars to go by selecting a category from the pin pad.  This allows him the freedom to distribute tax dollars to where he sees fit.  Of course the checks and balances for this would obviously go to the House of Representatives.

[MB]

A 20% federal sales tax in lieu of federal income tax is a good idea.  It rewards the savers, eliminates the redistribution of wealth, and boosts the housing market (assuming the tax does not apply to real estate).   

[Soul Crusher]

"If you don`t like taxes, don`t pay them.  Civil Dissention is after all, the highest form of patriotism"

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Not according to Joe biden.

[headhuntersix]

Ok....sure....tax dollars where u want them to go.

[The True Adonis]

Ok....sure....tax dollars where u want them to go.

General categories via the GAO.

[headhuntersix]

Universal healthcare has been a friggen disaster everywhere. Ever here of medical vacations?.....Screw that, cap lawsuits so guys like Edwards can't screw every doctor they see, cap insurance rates if u have to...and stop these ridiculous attacks on ": big pharmaceutical" companies. What, they're all evil right?

[The True Adonis]

Universal healthcare has been a friggen disaster everywhere. Ever here of medical vacations?.....Screw that, cap lawsuits so guys like Edwards can't screw every doctor they see, cap insurance rates if u have to...and stop these ridiculous attacks on ": big pharmaceutical" companies. What, they're all evil right?

Nobody is going to mess with your private insurance, we just want to add a Single Payer option that is free for all citizens should they choose that option.

[The True Adonis]

Universal healthcare has been a friggen disaster everywhere. Ever here of medical vacations?.....Screw that, cap lawsuits so guys like Edwards can't screw every doctor they see, cap insurance rates if u have to...and stop these ridiculous attacks on ": big pharmaceutical" companies. What, they're all evil right?

 

[The True Adonis]

Uh.  I don`t think it would be wise to phase out Medical Malpractice.

Doctors are the Third leading Cause of Death in the United States.

As scary as it sounds, it's true. According to the most respected medical publication in the world The Journal of the American Medical Association, the third leading cause of death in the US after heart disease and cancer is doctor-induced or iatrogenic . Iatrogenic disease is defined as disease induced in a patient by a doctor's activity, manner or therapy; in short, it is a complication of treatment. The article dealt only with deaths in a hospital setting.



The article, which reported on a study conducted at John Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health, was a follow up to a study by the Institute of Medicine published in November 1999. The statistics given are 250,000 deaths per year broken down as follows: ¨ 12,000 die from unnecessary surgeries ¨ 7,000 die from drug errors made in hospitals ¨ 20,000 die from other hospital errors ¨ 80,000 die from infections obtained while in hospital ¨ 106,000 die not from errors but from negative effects of drugs

This study does not take into account several other factors such as complications and errors not resulting in deaths but which cause serious illnesses requiring more tests, more drugs, more emergency room visits and more surgery. Also not looked at are problems that occur in non-hospital settings: walk-in clinics, doctor's offices, private laboratories, etc. If these settings were taken into the data, the entire picture would be far frightening than it is.

This study took place in the US, which is the leading nation in the area of medical innovations and research. The shocking results of these studies would perhaps be justified if the US also lead the world's nations in such key health areas as life expectancy and infant mortality. However, the facts do not support the assumption either. In a recent report by the World Health Organization, the US ranks 12th out of 13 countries in 16 key health indicators. Hopefully, these facts will serve as a wake up call to doctors and patients alike. The message is clear: the modern medical paradigm is a flat out failure.

Hopefully, these facts will serve as a wake up call to doctors and patients alike. The message is clear: the modern medical paradigm is a flat out failure.

[headhuntersix]

Yes but, under Obama's plan, most employers will drop private plans to save money, thus true universal healthcare. Unlike most of u who have healthcare on the board, my plan most closely resembles what Obama wants for the rest of the country. It works for the less then 1% of the population that use it. Its ok and I have no real complaints, but then again I don't really use it. Putting 3 hundred million plus people on a Gov health plan...its a friggen disaster. Plus I'm not paying for somebody elses healthcare.

Hey Adonis....this is the United States..I don't want to look like eveybody else. Medical vacations are the number one type of vacation in the UK. I have relatives all over the commonwealth countries, very few have the public healthcare plans because they suck. Look at the tax rates in those countries....I'm not paying for ur healthcare, plain and simple.

[Soul Crusher]

What you dont understand is that under your type of system, less qualified people will be entering the medical profession and we will have more of these types of problems.

[The True Adonis]

Doctors Are The 3rd Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 225,000 Deaths Every Year

In July of 2000 there was a great article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) , one of the best articles ever written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.

This information was published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.

The author of the article is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she describes how the US health care system may contribute to medical mistakes and poor health.

DEATHS PER YEAR:
12,000 - unnecessary surgery (
7,000 - medication errors in hospitals (9)
20,000 - other errors in hospitals (10)
80,000 - infections in hospitals (10)
106,000 - non-error, negative effects of drugs

   

This is a total of 225,000 deaths per year from a physician's activity, manner, or therapy.

Dr. Starfield reminds us to keep the following in mind when interpreting these numbers:

    * 1st, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
    * 2nd, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
    * 3rd, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.1

If the higher estimates are used, the deaths would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are an overestimate, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).

Another analysis concluded that between 4% and 18% of patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings, with:

    * 116 million extra physician visits
    * 77 million extra prescriptions
    * 17 million emergency department visits
    * 8 million hospitalizations
    * 3 million long-term admissions
    * 199,000 additional deaths
    * $77 billion in extra costs

The high cost of the health care system seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care.

However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care.

According to one study(2), an estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.

This situation might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison,(3,4) the U. S. ranks an average of 12th (one up from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More specifically, the ranking of the United States on several indicators was:

    * 13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
    * 13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall (14)
    * 11th for postneonatal mortality
    * 13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
    * 11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
    * 10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males
    * 10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males
    * 7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males
    * 3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males
    * 10th for age-adjusted mortality

The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the U. S. as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.

Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the United States 's low ranking.

Among 29 countries, the United States is 2nd only to Japan in the availability of computed tomography (CT) scanners and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) units per million population. (17)

Japan, however, ranks highest on health whereas the United States ranks among the lowest.

[The True Adonis]

What you dont understand is that under your type of system, less qualified people will be entering the medical profession and we will have more of these types of problems.

You have ZERO evidence to support your claim.
The requirements would not change in regression.  If it was up to me, it would be more difficult to be a licensed doctor than it is now. 

[headhuntersix]

Ok Adonis..so what. We'll need more doctors but pay will be regulated. Our medical death rates have nothing to do with universal healthcare. Its not going to get better with Uncle Sam in charge.

[The True Adonis]

The terms iatrogenesis and iatrogenic artifact refer to adverse effects or complications caused by or resulting from medical treatment or advice. In addition to harmful consequences of actions by physicians, iatrogenesis can also refer to actions by other healthcare professionals, such as psychologists, therapists, pharmacists, nurses, dentists, and others. Iatrogenisis is not restricted to conventional medicine and can also result from complementary and alternative medicine treatments.





latrogenesis is a major phenomenon, and a severe risk to patients. A study carried out in 1981 more than one-third of illnesses of patients in a university hospital were iatrogenic, nearly one in ten were considered major, and in 2% of the patients, the iatrogenic disorder ended in death. Complications were most strongly associated with exposure to drugs and medications.[12] In another study, the main factors leading to problems were inadequate patient evaluation, lack of monitoring and follow-up, and failure to perform necessary tests.[13]

In the United State alone, recorded deaths per year (2000):

    * 12,000—unnecessary surgery
    * 7,000—medication errors in hospitals
    * 20,000—other errors in hospitals
    * 80,000—infections in hospitals
    * 106,000—non-error, negative effects of drugs

Based on these figures, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Also, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).

This totals 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes. In interpreting these numbers, note the following:

    * most data were derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
    * the estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
    * the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report. If higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.[14]

[The True Adonis]

Ok Adonis..so what. We'll need more doctors but pay will be regulated. Our medical death rates have nothing to do with universal healthcare. Its not going to get better with Uncle Sam in charge.

Pay is merit based.  Treat more patients with positive results, the more you earn.

[headhuntersix]

Thats not how its going to work.....u know thats not how the Gov works. This is welfare and a waste of money.

[The True Adonis]

Doctors support universal health care: survey
Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:14pm EDT
 


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than half of U.S. doctors now favor switching to a national health care plan and fewer than a third oppose the idea, according to a survey published on Monday.

The survey suggests that opinions have changed substantially since the last survey in 2002 and as the country debates serious changes to the health care system.

Of more than 2,000 doctors surveyed, 59 percent said they support legislation to establish a national health insurance program, while 32 percent said they opposed it, researchers reported in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.

The 2002 survey found that 49 percent of physicians supported national health insurance and 40 percent opposed it.

"Many claim to speak for physicians and represent their views. We asked doctors directly and found that, contrary to conventional wisdom, most doctors support national health insurance," said Dr. Aaron Carroll of the Indiana University School of Medicine, who led the study.

"As doctors, we find that our patients suffer because of increasing deductibles, co-payments, and restrictions on patient care," said Dr. Ronald Ackermann, who worked on the study with Carroll. "More and more, physicians are turning to national health insurance as a solution to this problem."

PATCHWORK

The United States has no single organized health care system. Instead it relies on a patchwork of insurance provided by the federal and state governments to the elderly, poor, disabled and to some children, along with private insurance and employer-sponsored plans.

Many other countries have national plans, including Britain, France and Canada, and several studies have shown the United States spends more per capita on health care, without achieving better results for patients.

An estimated 47 million people have no insurance coverage at all, meaning they must pay out of their pockets for health care or skip it.

Contenders in the election for president in November all have proposed various changes, but none of the major party candidates has called for a fully national health plan.

Insurance companies, retailers and other employers have joined forces with unions and other interest groups to propose their own plans.

"Across the board, more physicians feel that our fragmented and for-profit insurance system is obstructing good patient care, and a majority now support national insurance as the remedy," Ackermann said in a statement.

The Indiana survey found that 83 percent of psychiatrists, 69 percent of emergency medicine specialists, 65 percent of pediatricians, 64 percent of internists, 60 percent of family physicians and 55 percent of general surgeons favor a national health insurance plan.

The researchers said they believe the survey was representative of the 800,000 U.S. medical doctors.

(Reporting by Maggie Fox; Editing by Will Dunham and Xavier Briand)

[The True Adonis]

Thats not how its going to work.....u know thats not how the Gov works. This is welfare and a waste of money.

Wrong.

This is how the NHS works.


Watch.

[Deicide]

Wrong.

This is how the NHS works.


Watch.

Actually from personal experience, NHS sucks but then again doctors suck in general. Where do you think the adage: doctor heal thyself comes from?

[headhuntersix]

Wrong.

This is how the NHS works.


Watch.

I don't care how the UK works...I'm talking the US. In the UK they had to enact a law that mandates wait limits in ER's. The hospitals began to put people in ambulances because that gets around the laws.

[The True Adonis]

I don't care how the UK works...I'm talking the US. In the UK they had to enact a law that mandates wait limits in ER's. The hospitals began to put people in ambulances because that gets around the laws.

Where is your evidence of this? Please provide it.

[headhuntersix]

Where is my evidence..well TA, we have been discussing this on the pol board for the last 2 years..welcome to the debate. Just because u live in fuzzy lib land and u've never heard the horror stories, I can't help u. Dig through the posts.