Author Topic: Miss Cali... Tpyical Christian (Read 12153 times)

OzmO · « **Reply #50 on:** May 12, 2009, 12:57:42 PM »

Quote from: loco on May 12, 2009, 12:51:54 PM

That's not Biblical, nor is it what Christianity teaches. But if it's your opinion, you're entitled to it.

And for you or for me to say that a person who claims to be a Christian is or isn't a Christian, isn't that judging? Isn't that between the person claiming to be a Christian and Jesus Christ?

Selling sex? Is she a prostitute? I thought she was a "beauty" pageant contestant.

"Selling sex" doesn't mean just selling sex as a prostitute. Maybe using sex to sell is a better way to say it.

And yes, a person that teaches or professes a moral course of action but yet continually does the opposite is by definition a hypocrite whether its judging a person or not.

tonymctones · « **Reply #51 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:00:15 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on May 12, 2009, 12:50:24 PM

OZ your missing the point bro he said she is a hypocrite b/c she is a christian and has sinned or gone against what the bible says. the bible never said that ppl will not sin, in fact is says that we as ppl will sin therefor her sinning doesnt make her a hypocrite do you understand?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #52 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:01:02 PM »

Quote from: Busted on May 12, 2009, 09:52:13 AM

First off, I think ALL Religious people are hypocrites. Religion is a joke and brain washing for dumb people. Grown intelligent adults choose to follow the fictional book "The Bible", instead of using rational thinking.

Why do I think Miss Cali is a hypocrite?

Well first off, shes a model. A christian Model is like a "Kosher Pig farmer", in less you are a hypocrite. It's sad I know the bible better than these "Professional Christians". Trying to get on TV like shes all squeaky clean. Letting Michael Felps bust his nuts in her face. lol

1- According to "The Bible" no woman is supposed to dress in any way to sexually attract men. She went on national TV promoting her body in a sexual manner, half naked to attract men.

2-She got plastic surgery. According to "The Bible", "you are to treat your body like a temple". Surgery for cosmetic purposes (Boob Job) goes against "The Bible" directly.

3- Lied in her application. Do I need to explain "The Lie"?

4- She judges everyone who favors same sex marriage. Judging? What would Jesus do? Where in the new test does Jesus mention gay people? Keep searching... he never did...

Now, do i think any of these things above are BAD? NO, but when she starts preaching the whole "Christian Crap" you better not be a freggin hypocrite!

PS, My father was a minister. I know the bible a little better than most. ) It's a nice fictional book!

Absurd. For the reasons stated by everyone else.

OzmO · « **Reply #53 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:01:13 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on May 12, 2009, 12:50:24 PM

OZ your missing the point bro he said she is a hypocrite b/c she is a christian and has sinned or gone against what the bible says. the bible never said that ppl will not sin, in fact is says that we as ppl will sin therefor her sinning doesnt make her a hypocrite do you understand?

She doesnt sell sex, she uses sex appeal to sell things different...you example is crap again it never said you wont sin the same sin more then once...gezz louise man sinning doesnt make a christian a hypocrite.

you can call her a hypocrite for saying one thing and doing another fine but you cant call her a hypocrite for being a christian and sinning like busteds dumb ass did...her being a hypocrite in your eyes has nothing to do with being a christian

Sorry man, I agree with busted here. If she's using sex to sell then she's being a hypocrite if she is also a Christian. I'm not talking about a moment of weakness, I'm talking about continual choices.

loco · « **Reply #54 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:17:50 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 12, 2009, 12:57:42 PM

"Selling sex" doesn't mean just selling sex as a prostitute. Maybe using sex to sell is a better way to say it.

I don't think so, but I know some Christians who would agree with you. There are Christians who believe that Christians should not participate in modeling or beauty pageants. But then again, there are Christians who believe that Christians should not be bodybuilders, or police officers, or soldiers, or judges. I don't agree, and I don't see Biblical basis for any of this.

Miss Cali. is not a hypocrite for doing any of this if she doesn't believe that it is a sin and if she sees no Biblical basis for it.

Quote from: OzmO on May 12, 2009, 12:57:42 PM

And yes, a person that teaches or professes a moral course of action but yet continually does the opposite is by definition a hypocrite whether its judging a person or not.

Actually, the word hypocrite comes from the Greek word for "actor." If a person claims to be a Christian, and "pretends" to be a Christian, knowing that he/she is not a Christian, then he/she is a hypocrite.

Likewise, if a person teaches or professes a moral course of action, not really believing in such and fully knowing that he/she wouldn't even attemp to follow that moral course of action, then he/she is a hypocrite.

But a person who teaches or professes a moral course of action is NOT a hypocrite IF he/she truly believes in that moral course of action and attempts to follow it, no matter how many times he/she fails.

I know many parents who chose not to go to college or dropped out of college, only to regret it later in life. They now tell their children that they must go to college. Are those parents hypocrites? I don't think so.

Is Miss Cali. a hypocrite? Not by what you and Busted are charging her with. She might be if she was going around telling other girls that being a model or that being in a beauty pageant is a sin.

Is she a hypocrite in my opinion? I don't know because I do not know her heart.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #55 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:25:25 PM »

Quote from: loco on May 12, 2009, 01:17:50 PM

I don't think so, but I know some Christians who would agree with you. There are Christians who believe that Christians should not participate in modeling or beauty events. But then again, there are Christians who believe that Christians should not be bodybuilders, or police officers, or soldiers, or judges. I don't agree, and I don't see Biblical basis for any of this.

Miss Cali. is not a hypocrite for doing any of this if she doesn't believe that it is a sin and if she sees no Biblical basis for it.

Actually, the word hypocrite comes from the Greek word for "actor." If a person claims to be a Christian, and "pretends" to be a Christian, knowing that he/she is not a Christian, then he/she is a hypocrite.

Likewise, if a person teaches or professes a moral course of action, not really believing in such and fully knowing that he/she wouldn't even attemp to follow that moral course of action, then he/she is a hypocrite.

Is Miss Cali. a hypocrite? Not by what you and Busted are charging her with. She might be if she was going around telling other girls that being a model or that being in a beauty pageant is a sin.

Is she a hypocrite in my opinion? I don't know because I do not know her heart.

Exactly. People misuse the word all the time. A hypocrite is someone who doesn't practice what they preach. That's not what this woman is doing.

OzmO · « **Reply #56 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:16:07 PM »

Quote from: loco on May 12, 2009, 01:17:50 PM

I don't think so, but I know some Christians who would agree with you. There are Christians who believe that Christians should not participate in modeling or beauty pageants. But then again, there are Christians who believe that Christians should not be bodybuilders, or police officers, or soldiers, or judges. I don't agree, and I don't see Biblical basis for any of this.

Miss Cali. is not a hypocrite for doing any of this if she doesn't believe that it is a sin and if she sees no Biblical basis for it.

Actually, the word hypocrite comes from the Greek word for "actor." If a person claims to be a Christian, and "pretends" to be a Christian, knowing that he/she is not a Christian, then he/she is a hypocrite.

Likewise, if a person teaches or professes a moral course of action, not really believing in such and fully knowing that he/she wouldn't even attemp to follow that moral course of action, then he/she is a hypocrite.

But a person who teaches or professes a moral course of action is NOT a hypocrite IF he/she truly believes in that moral course of action and attempts to follow it, no matter how many times he/she fails.

I know many parents who chose not to go to college or dropped out of college, only to regret it later in life. They now tell their children that they must go to college. Are those parents hypocrites? I don't think so.

Is Miss Cali. a hypocrite? Not by what you and Busted are charging her with. She might be if she was going around telling other girls that being a model or that being in a beauty pageant is a sin.

Is she a hypocrite in my opinion? I don't know because I do not know her heart.

I agree, we don't know what's in her heart. But based on what we do know I disagree with you.

HEre's what the definition says:

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

loco · « **Reply #57 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:37:27 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 12, 2009, 02:16:07 PM

I agree, we don't know what's in her heart. But based on what we do know I disagree with you.

HEre's what the definition says:

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

I don't know that much about her really. Did she state her beliefs and feelings, other than marriage should be between a man and a woman?

Did she state that it is her belief or that it is her feeling that being a model or that being in a beauty pageant is a sin? If not, then she is not a hypocrite by your own definition.

Actually, I admire her for making a statement that goes in line with her beliefs and with her feelings, and it also goes in line with what Jesus said about marriage. That is the opposite of hypocrisy. Had she stood there, believing and "feeling" that marriage should be between a man and a woman, yet saying the opposite just to please the judges and just to win a beauty pageant, then she would have been a hypocrite, by any definition.

She is being accused of being judgemental, yet people are judging her and attacking her for being honest and showing integrity.

tonymctones · « **Reply #58 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:46:39 PM »

Quote from: loco on May 12, 2009, 02:37:27 PM

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

I don't know that much about her really. Did she state her beliefs and feelings, other than marriage should be between a man and a woman?

Did she state that it is her belief or that it is her feeling that being a model or that being in a beauty pageant is a sin? If not, then she is not a hypocrite by your own definition.

Actually, I admire her for making a statement that goes in line with her beliefs and with her feelings, and it also goes in line with what Jesus said about marriage. That is the opposite of hypocrisy. Had she stood there, believing and "feeling" that marriage should be between a man and a woman, yet saying the opposite just to please the judges and just to win a beauty pageant, then she would have been a hypocrite, by any definition.

She is being accused of being judgemental, yet people are judging her and attacking her for being honest and showing integrity.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #59 on:** May 12, 2009, 03:44:59 PM »

Quote from: loco on May 12, 2009, 02:37:27 PM

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

I don't know that much about her really. Did she state her beliefs and feelings, other than marriage should be between a man and a woman?

Did she state that it is her belief or that it is her feeling that being a model or that being in a beauty pageant is a sin? If not, then she is not a hypocrite by your own definition.

Actually, I admire her for making a statement that goes in line with her beliefs and with her feelings, and it also goes in line with what Jesus said about marriage. That is the opposite of hypocrisy. Had she stood there, believing and "feeling" that marriage should be between a man and a woman, yet saying the opposite just to please the judges and just to win a beauty pageant, then she would have been a hypocrite, by any definition.

She is being accused of being judgemental, yet people are judging her and attacking her for being honest and showing integrity.

I agree.

OzmO · « **Reply #60 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:03:43 PM »

Quote from: loco on May 12, 2009, 02:37:27 PM

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

I don't know that much about her really. Did she state her beliefs and feelings, other than marriage should be between a man and a woman?

Did she state that it is her belief or that it is her feeling that being a model or that being in a beauty pageant is a sin? If not, then she is not a hypocrite by your own definition.

Actually, I admire her for making a statement that goes in line with her beliefs and with her feelings, and it also goes in line with what Jesus said about marriage. That is the opposite of hypocrisy. Had she stood there, believing and "feeling" that marriage should be between a man and a woman, yet saying the opposite just to please the judges and just to win a beauty pageant, then she would have been a hypocrite, by any definition.

She is being accused of being judgemental, yet people are judging her and attacking her for being honest and showing integrity.

I admire her for making her statement also. We don't know the extent or details of her faith or belief int he Bible and salvation. However, If she's a professed Christian she's being a hypocrite IMO.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #61 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:11:40 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 12, 2009, 04:03:43 PM

I admire her for making her statement also. We don't know the extent or details of her faith or belief int he Bible and salvation. However, If she's a professed Christian she's being a hypocrite IMO.

Her modeling is not a sin and admiring beauty is not a sin.

The sinner is the person lusting after her.

Matthew 5
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Busted · « **Reply #62 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:12:29 PM »

Quote from: STella on May 12, 2009, 10:31:17 AM

Interesting!

Busted, what denomination was your father when he was a minister?

Also, do you believe it is wrong for Christians to get braces on their teeth soley for cosmetic purposes? Thanks!

Your comparing Braces to getting someones BOOBS bigger to win a contest?

tonymctones · « **Reply #63 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:14:06 PM »

Quote from: Busted on May 12, 2009, 04:12:29 PM

Your comparing Braces to getting someones BOOBS bigger to win a contest?

both are in the attempt to look better or vanity which is why you were against boob jobs isnt it? you think that having metal wires fixed to your gums and teeth is good for the body?

Busted · « **Reply #64 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:18:29 PM »

Quote from: bears on May 12, 2009, 11:50:45 AM

it must be nice being you. no one can ever call you a hypocrite because you believe in nothing. you only believe in yourself. you are TYPICAL.

I'm realistic. I don't claim to know what happens when we die like all the rest of the religious nut jobs.

Busted · « **Reply #65 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »

Quote from: loco on May 12, 2009, 11:58:10 AM

When did she say anything against homosexuals? I thought she just said that she believed that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Jesus said that too.

No he didn't. If you are going to talk about Biblical facts, get them RIGHT.

w8tlftr · « **Reply #66 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:20:53 PM »

All this fuss over the opinion of a beauty pageant contestant because some knob gobbler didn't like her answer.

President Obama holds the same point of view as Miss Undies model. So what?

tonymctones · « **Reply #67 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:23:05 PM »

Quote from: w8tlftr on May 12, 2009, 04:20:53 PM

All this fuss over the opinion of a beauty pageant contestant because some knob gobbler didn't like her answer.

President Obama holds the same point of view as Miss Undies model. So what?

LOL you forget that lefties cant insult or criticize barry they spent a year passing him off as the savior...

OzmO · « **Reply #68 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:24:19 PM »

Quote from: a_joker10 on May 12, 2009, 04:11:40 PM

Her modeling is not a sin and admiring beauty is not a sin.

The sinner is the person lusting after her.

Matthew 5
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

I disagree. It could be said she's defiling her self and defiling others. (I don't agree she is, but based on her stated religion she I believe she is)

w8tlftr · « **Reply #69 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:26:29 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 12, 2009, 04:24:19 PM

I disagree. I could be said she's defiling her self and defiling others. (I don't agree she is, but based on her stated religion she I believe she is)

Woot! Christian chicks are hot!

OzmO · « **Reply #70 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:27:40 PM »

Quote from: w8tlftr on May 12, 2009, 04:26:29 PM

Woot! Christian chicks are hot!

Believe that!

Busted · « **Reply #71 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:28:23 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on May 12, 2009, 12:32:25 PM

again busteds ignorant ass point that you defend is she is a hypocrite b/c she is a CHRISTIAN AND SAID THIS...even if she was wrong and sinned that wouldnt make her a hypocrite b/c as we know that as a christian you will sin its not debateable....I.E. she is not a hypocrite for sinning she is a Christian...

No you ass fuck. I have NO problems with the things she said or did. But once she starts PREACHING to us about CHRISTIANITY and shes a BIG FUCKIN HYPOCRITE, I have a problem with it. For her to be on a national stage preaching her "Christian Faith", when the whole reason shes even on the national spotlight is 1 big ass SIN according to the Bible. Shes on National TV Flaunting her half naked body, after she got sexual implants, lied, took naked pics, judged others, and then spoke out against other people wanting to be happy with their lives.

According to the Bible NO WOMAN is SUPPOSED to dress in a way to SEXUALLY ATTRACT MEN.

What would Jesus say?

OzmO · « **Reply #72 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:29:25 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on May 12, 2009, 04:14:06 PM

both are in the attempt to look better or vanity which is why you were against boob jobs isnt it? you think that having metal wires fixed to your gums and teeth is good for the body?

Teeth aren't typically considered to be a sexual zone on the body

Dos Equis · « **Reply #73 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:30:20 PM »

Quote from: Busted on May 12, 2009, 04:28:23 PM

No you ass fuck. I have NO problems with the things she said or did. But once she starts PREACHING to us about CHRISTIANITY and shes a BIG FUCKIN HYPOCRITE, I have a problem with it. For her to be on a national stage preaching her "Christian Faith", when the whole reason shes even on the national spotlight is 1 big ass SIN according to the Bible. Shes on National TV Flaunting her half naked body, after she got sexual implants, lied, took naked pics, judged others, and then spoke out against other people wanting to be happy with their lives.

According to the Bible NO WOMAN is SUPPOSED to dress in a way to SEXUALLY ATTRACT MEN.

What would Jesus say?

Look at what a beautiful creature I created. I did good with this one.

Busted · « **Reply #74 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:30:37 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on May 12, 2009, 04:14:06 PM

both are in the attempt to look better or vanity which is why you were against boob jobs isnt it? you think that having metal wires fixed to your gums and teeth is good for the body?

So would you compare braces to getting a cock implant?