Pros and Cons of Natural Bodybuilding

[#1 Klaus fan]

Who wants to be 250 pounds, sweat all the time, get out of breath when walking, all this just because? Attention and ego?

[kyomu]

natural bb'ing = destined to forever be a tinytit. Fuck that.

Wrong

[INSOMNIA]

natural bodybuilder is defined differently by everyone i guess.

to me natural bodybuilder = no hormones...

I agree, sums up my definition as well. Pretty simple.

if you really want to get grab straws, you could say lifting weights to build muscle is not natural. gyms & weightrooms are not natural, etc.. anything more than bodyweight exercises isnt natural.. etc etc. Im sure some folks here think that way.

people could argue just about any aspect of it all day long, for the sake of argueing.

nutritional/herbal supplements that are legal without prescription & widely available that millions of regular people use everyday to control weight, give energy etc. doesnt ruin a natural bodybuilder status, IMO.

[INSOMNIA]

Wrong

x's 2

[kyomu]

Who cares if you juice or not and who cares if you are natural or not, fact is, at the end of the day only results count.

X2

[Van_Bilderass]

trying to put someone using fucking protein powder and creatine in the same corner as a drug user.

Creatine can be considered a drug and is a drug. Amino acids can be and are drugs. Foods sometimes contain potent drugs that can be used for doping, L-Dopa in fava beans for example.

There's no such thing as natural bodybuilding. Bodybuilding isn't natural, it's a manipulation of the body to go beyond the norm.

[tbombz]

gh is just a sequence of 191 amino acids...     is it okay cuz its just protein, right?

[Van_Bilderass]

gh is just a sequence of 191 amino acids...     is it okay cuz its just protein, right?

That's what Stallone said, "it's just an amino acid" 

[Earl1972]

is natural bodybuilding healthy?

to gain muscle you have to eat more than normal, overeating is not healthy

heavy lifting strains the heart, right?

any muscle built in the gym is unnecessary for survival, that's why we shrink when we quit training and dieting

E

[hazbin]

just curious Croatch,  did you get really bad side effects when you used steroids?  what was it that made you stop using them?

[Harry Spotter]

gh is just a sequence of 191 amino acids...     is it okay cuz its just protein, right?

Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease is caused by a 209 aa protein......  

[hazbin]

Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease is caused by a 209 aa protein......  

is that why 70's bodybuilders got mad cow from Rhesus Monkey gh?

[Earl1972]

are you on teh sauce, Earl? 

and Natural bodybuilding is the healthiest sport on earth
you do not have to eat more than normal, that = fatness
lifting heavy is not needed for muscle gains

this guy looks pretty healthy to me

no i'm not on the sauce

i'm not saying you have to pig out, but who gains muscle just by eating 3 meals a day?

E

[CARTEL]

no i'm not on the sauce

i'm not saying you have to pig out, but who gains muscle just by eating 3 meals a day?

E

You really don't have to eat that much depending on your body type.

[Earl1972]

You really don't have to eat that much depending on your body type.

what happened to the 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight mantra?

isn't that overeating? 

everybody says that is the amount you should eat for muscle growth

E

[CARTEL]

what happened to the 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight mantra?

isn't that overeating? 

everybody says that is the amount you should eat for muscle growth

E

You can supplement that with a little something called whey protein powder.

It doesn't take that much.

[Earl1972]

You can supplement that with a little something called whey protein powder.

It doesn't take that much.

there are still calories in whey protein

E

[G o a t b o y]

Cons: it will take you 15 years of meticulous training/lifestyle to achieve what a novice lifter can achieve in 1 or 2 cycles... aprox 2-4 months...

Cons: losing muscle by missing a day of your precious and precise schedule or missing an important meal

Cons: Muscle being flat and small while it is breaking down and repairing itself, compared to always jacked.

Cons: Girls like guys with bodies like Men's Heath cover or Muscle & Fitness, all of which are jacked , just not using the heavier androgens but lighter cutting drugs like primo, winstrol, oxandralone

Pro: You can scream at the top of your lungs that you're 100% natural and no one will care or they will accuse you of lying and being a closet juicer

QFT

[tbombz]

what happened to the 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight mantra?

isn't that overeating? 

everybody says that is the amount you should eat for muscle growth

E

thats not over eating... if you weigh 200l;bs and eat 200grams of prtoein per day...even lets say 300 grams of protein every day...and with that you get 100grams of fat.... then you have 2100 calories... which will be under basal metabolic rate for a 200lber...

[#1 Klaus fan]

is natural bodybuilding healthy?

to gain muscle you have to eat more than normal, overeating is not healthy

heavy lifting strains the heart, right?

any muscle built in the gym is unnecessary for survival, that's why we shrink when we quit training and dieting

E

Exercising is healthy, but gaining muscle mass for the sake of it is not. And this doesn't mean it's bad for you. It just...is.

[dustin]

it's to me very obvious that you are trying to rationalize it. trying to put someone using fucking protein powder and creatine in the same corner as a drug user.

maybe we should call it "hormonized bodybuilders" and "non-hormonized bodybyilders" if it's the word "natural" that confuses you.

You're a fucking idiot, dude. I said that a natural can use those and still be considered natural. They shouldn't use any SYNTHETIC DRUGS outside of NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS AND FOOD SOURCES, such as protein powder, creatine, aminos, etc. Any SYNTHETIC drugs ruin your "natural" status.

Go fuck yourself, dude.

[dyslexic]

Natural bodybuilders will always wonder: "What could have been?"



they plague themselves with the constant question and wannabe commitment to being natural. They probably stare at pics of Skip LaCour all day thinking; "yeah, he's natural"



Would you rather have a stock Corvette, a blown Corvette, or a blown Vette with Nitrous? Bad analogy. A stock Corvette is still more badass than a "natural" whatever.



I guess you could just wash and polish your Neon a little more.



Natural bodybuilders shouldn't aspire to be "bodybuilders".. they should just work out and be into fitness and leave it at that.



Magazines like Musclemag, Flex, Ironman and MD have got to make a "natural" bodybuilder feel inadequate in every sense of the word. You end up in a world of your own with a chip on your shoulder every time you see a.... well... "bodybuilder"-- you grab a copy of "Natural Bodybuilding' and you go; "damn, I hope I don't look that  bad"



It must suck to be drooling and be pissed all the time.



You will always be smaller, weaker, fatter and less cut.


Deal with it, "Natty"

[kiwiol]

Natural bodybuilders will always wonder: "What could have been?"
they plague themselves with the constant question and wannabe commitment to being natural. They probably stare at pics of Skip LaCour all day thinking; "yeah, he's natural"
Would you rather have a stock Corvette, a blown Corvette, or a blown Vette with Nitrous? Bad analogy. A stock Corvette is still more badass than a "natural" whatever.
I guess you could just wash and polish your Neon a little more.
Natural bodybuilders shouldn't aspire to be "bodybuilders".. they should just work out and be into fitness and leave it at that.
Magazines like Musclemag, Flex, Ironman and MD have got to make a "natural" bodybuilder feel inadequate in every sense of the word. You end up in a world of your own with a chip on your shoulder every time you see a.... well... "bodybuilder"-- you grab a copy of "Natural Bodybuilding' and you go; "damn, I hope I don't look that  bad"
It must suck to be drooling and be pissed all the time.
You will always be smaller, weaker, fatter and less cut.
Deal with it, "Natty"

A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as

1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice

2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do

3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)

4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does

5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally

6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.

And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too

And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.

[Rami]

Pro: less delusional
Con: less delusional

[io856]

A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as

1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice

2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do

3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)

4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does

5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally

6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.

And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too

And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.

also justifying the financial cost and theres no more excuses as to not being stronger or more built