Author Topic: BB 250lb conditioned ripped vs BB 250lb-300lb more mass. (Read 4052 times)

Incubi · « **on:** May 15, 2009, 12:28:01 PM »

Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:28:48 PM »

who's "Fex"?

Lord Humungous · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:33:17 PM »

I would be shocked if Haney was ever on stage at 250lbs

Incubi · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:34:37 PM »

You mean Flex... the guy with the "flawless" back double bi...
compared to Yates... who had back boils not pimples....uneven rhomboids with striated lats but not striated thighs or tris.

Incubi · « **Reply #4 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:36:59 PM »

Can u imagine what Haney would have looked like if he had abused drugs....he kept his physique in check.

Incubi · « **Reply #5 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:40:15 PM »

Nasser did look great at 275lb in 1997.... its hard to say that Yates should have won with a perfect score.
Yates Physique is one of a kind but does not in any way deserve a perfect score at any weight or year he won the O.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #6 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:42:22 PM »

Quote from: Incubi on May 15, 2009, 12:40:15 PM

Nasser did look great at 275lb in 1997.... its hard to say that Yates should have won with a perfect score.
Yates Physique is one of a kind but does not in any way deserve a perfect score at any weight or year he won the O.

Nasser ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED Dorian in 1997, not even close.

Incubi · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:46:31 PM »

Haney destroyed Yates and he didn't need need a perfect score.

BM OUT · « **Reply #8 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:02:25 PM »

Quote from: Incubi on May 15, 2009, 12:28:01 PM

Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.

BM OUT · « **Reply #9 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:03:32 PM »

Quote from: Incubi on May 15, 2009, 12:28:01 PM

Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.

Sorry,Ronnies best was 2003 when he weighed 286.Ronnie and Chad have both said this.

hench · « **Reply #10 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:20:07 PM »

all depends on structure, frame size, bone density etc. example Lou was heavier than Arnold with his larger frame and bigger bones while Arnold was still thicker and denser holding more muscle on his frame with more detail.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #11 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:23:20 PM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on May 15, 2009, 01:03:32 PM

Sorry,Ronnies best was 2003 when he weighed 286.Ronnie and Chad have both said this.

WRONG Ronnie was 287 pounds in 2003 and when asked what his best Olympia was Ronnie himself said 1998 because his conditioning was spot-on

Ronnie's best showing was 2001 Arnold Classic where he was 247 pounds

QuakerOats · « **Reply #12 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:23:58 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on May 15, 2009, 01:23:20 PM

WRONG Ronnie was 287 pounds in 2003 and when asked what his best Olympia was Ronnie himself said 1998 because his conditioning was spot-on

Ronnie's best showing was 2001 Arnold Classic where he was 247 pounds

in your opinion.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #13 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:24:47 PM »

Quote from: Incubi on May 15, 2009, 12:34:37 PM

You mean Flex... the guy with the "flawless" back double bi...
compared to Yates... who had back boils not pimples....uneven rhomboids with striated lats but not striated thighs or tris.

you seen his rhomboids huh?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:26:23 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on May 15, 2009, 01:23:58 PM

in your opinion.

As well as the general consensus among the professionals , as well as Ronnie himself

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:30:37 PM »

Quote from: hench on May 15, 2009, 01:20:07 PM

all depends on structure, frame size, bone density etc. example Lou was heavier than Arnold with his larger frame and bigger bones while Arnold was still thicker and denser holding more muscle on his frame with more detail.

a lot of people never seem to understand this....
they are caught up with ..how much do you weigh
.. a guy may weigh 250 and have 18 inch arms.. and a guy can weigh 200 and have the same size arms...
it all depends where and how each carries the weight.. i think the better genes blong to the guy who is lighter but has just as big or bigger muscles....

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Incubi on May 15, 2009, 12:28:01 PM

Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.

Yates first Olympia was 1991 he was 239 pounds , his first Olympia win he was 242 pounds .

Bannout was just 188 pounds when he claimed his Olympia title in 1983

And Ray looked his absolute best at around 205 pounds

BM OUT · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:35:59 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on May 15, 2009, 01:23:58 PM

in your opinion.

No,in Ronnies opinion and Chads opinion.I think they would be the ultimate judges of that.However,Flex Wheeler has stated that as well as have NUMEROUS other top bodybuilders.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:41:02 PM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on May 15, 2009, 01:35:59 PM

No,in Ronnies opinion and Chads opinion.I think they would be the ultimate judges of that.However,Flex Wheeler has stated that as well as have NUMEROUS other top bodybuilders.

Again Ronnie said his best Olympia was his first among many others and Chad had him beating Jay in 06 what does he know? Ronnie looked incredible in 03 but it wasn't his best showing because his density & dryness and detail all paled in comparison to 01 ASC as well as his balance & proportion

BM OUT · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:56:41 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on May 15, 2009, 01:41:02 PM

Again Ronnie said his best Olympia was his first among many others and Chad had him beating Jay in 06 what does he know? Ronnie looked incredible in 03 but it wasn't his best showing because his density & dryness and detail all paled in comparison to 01 ASC as well as his balance & proportion

WRONG!!!Ronnie said his best condition was his first one and that was his favorite win.However,he said when you look at everything,SIZE,CONDITION,FREAKINESS his best was 2003.In fact he said when he looks at that tape even today he is amazed.

By the way,I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06 as well.If Ronnie is going to get ripped for a small lat and tricep,why doesnt Jay get ripped for a small arm and leg?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #20 on:** May 15, 2009, 02:00:41 PM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on May 15, 2009, 01:56:41 PM

WRONG!!!Ronnie said his best condition was his first one and that was his favorite win.However,he said when you look at everything,SIZE,CONDITION,FREAKINESS his best was 2003.In fact he said when he looks at that tape even today he is amazed.

By the way,I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06 as well.If Ronnie is going to get ripped for a small lat and tricep,why doesnt Jay get ripped for a small arm and leg?

What part of my best Olympia was my first did you not grasp? everyone looks at 03 and is amazed and the general consensus among all the professionals is 2001 ASC is his best , COMPLETE OVERALL SHOWING 03 FREAKY sure best overall showing of his career? NOT BY A LONG SHOT

and you would think Ronnie beat Jay in 06 it's right in line with the rest of your statements which contradict reality

hench · « **Reply #21 on:** May 15, 2009, 02:23:32 PM »

exactly, spot on. Bodyweight means bugger all really.

Quote from: mesmorph78 on May 15, 2009, 01:30:37 PM

a lot of people never seem to understand this....
they are caught up with ..how much do you weigh
.. a guy may weigh 250 and have 18 inch arms.. and a guy can weigh 200 and have the same size arms...
it all depends where and how each carries the weight.. i think the better genes blong to the guy who is lighter but has just as big or bigger muscles....

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #22 on:** May 15, 2009, 02:26:26 PM »

Quote from: hench on May 15, 2009, 02:23:32 PM

exactly, spot on. Bodyweight means bugger all really.

It is because it's all about the illusion like this shot of Ronnie and Wolf hard to hell Ronnie outweighs him by a healthy margin

hench · « **Reply #23 on:** May 15, 2009, 02:29:31 PM »

Ronnie clearly has a heavier bone structure as because meat wise wolf is outsizing him in every dimension.

alnassak · « **Reply #24 on:** May 16, 2009, 01:52:58 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on May 15, 2009, 01:32:56 PM

Yates first Olympia was 1991 he was 239 pounds , his first Olympia win he was 242 pounds .

Bannout was just 188 pounds when he claimed his Olympia title in 1983

And Ray looked his absolute best at around 205 pounds

I really admire your world wise knowledge in regard to Bodybuilding

Smair in 83 with 188Ibs on his frame was unbeatable