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Yes, but that is a result of culture and habit, not one based on rational argument, neither the Japanese nor the Chinese have ever produced convincing rational arguments why Kanji are NECESSARY. The fact is, they are not. If someone wants to argue that they are pretty and culturally important, that's fine but arguments such as: it's saves space or there are some homophones are not valid or convincing.

Deicide · « **Reply #33 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:21:21 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 05:18:27 AM

L'allemand, c'est pour les francaises ~~que~~comme le francais est pour les allemands.

Impossible.

Fixed

DK II · « **Reply #34 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:22:50 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 05:20:30 AM

Yes, but that is a result of culture and habit, not one based on rational argument, neither the Japanese nor the Chinese have ever produced convincing rational arguments why Kanji are NECESSARY. The fact is, they are not. If someone wants to argue that they are pretty and culturally important, that's fine but arguments such as: it's saves space or there are some homophones are not valid or convincing.

Just learn your Kanji and stop complaining. >If you would use the energy to learn Kanji instead of arguing against them, you could read and write at leat 1500 now.

Deicide · « **Reply #35 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:26:36 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 05:22:50 AM

Just learn your Kanji and stop complaining. >If you would use the energy to learn Kanji instead of arguing against them, you could read and write at leat 1500 now.

1500 at my age...unlikely but possible. Well, I have applied to a few jobs in China (only because they pay well) so I will be forced to learn some if I end up there. $:-\$

DK II · « **Reply #36 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:27:47 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 05:26:36 AM

1500 at my age...unlikely but possible. Well, I have applied to a few jobs in China (only because they pay well) so I will be forced to learn some if I end up there. $:-\$

unlikely?

No. Especially in China, you can make that very quick. Only one reading per Kanji, that's not a big problem.

Deicide · « **Reply #37 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:29:22 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 05:27:47 AM

unlikely?

No. Especially in China, you can make that very quick. Only one reading per Kanji, that's not a big problem.

I suppose but it's funny. I know this guy who is fluent in spoken Mandarin but is essentially illiterate, so whilst he can talk about say economic problems in Chinese, he can barely write half of what he can talk about.

DK II · « **Reply #38 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:34:48 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 05:29:22 AM

I suppose but it's funny. I know this guy who is fluent in spoken Mandarin but is essentially illiterate, so whilst he can talk about say economic problems in Chinese, he can barely write half of what he can talk about.

that's pathetic.

But props for being fluent, i hope he gets the tones right at least.

Deicide · « **Reply #39 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:37:24 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 05:34:48 AM

that's pathetic.

But props for being fluent, i hope he gets the tones right at least.

His spoken Mandarin is as good as a foreigner can speak it. As for writing...if Chinese had an alphabet, none of this would be a problem. Even though my Korean sucks even now when I hear it, I can write it down instantly.

Can you write complex essays about complex topics in Japanese without having to always look up Kanji?

lovemonkey · « **Reply #40 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:38:22 AM »

Asian people have small penises.

DK II · « **Reply #41 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:40:17 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 05:37:24 AM

His spoken Mandarin is as good as a foreigner can speak it. As for writing...if Chinese had an alphabet, none of this would be a problem. Even though my Korean sucks even now when I hear it, I can write it down instantly.

Can you write complex essays about complex topics in Japanese without having to always look up Kanji?

lol, having no Kanji would mean a foreigner understands NOTHING in chinese.

Deicide · « **Reply #42 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:44:45 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 05:40:17 AM

lol, having no Kanji would mean a foreigner understands NOTHING in chinese.

Pinyin.

It works perfectly fine with diacritic marks to distinguish tones, in fact when foreigners start with Chinese THAT is how they learn it. No reason they couldn't just get rid of the Kanji and just use pinyin, other than cultural reasons.

DK II · « **Reply #43 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:48:51 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 05:44:45 AM

Pinyin.

It works perfectly fine with diacritic marks to distinguish tones, in fact when foreigners start with Chinese THAT is how they learn it. No reason they couldn't just get rid of the Kanji and just use pinyin, other than cultural reasons.

BS, pinyin is not effective and takes to much time for reading.

Kanji are perfect, just accept that.

DK approved, i won't comment on this topic ayn further, don't send me pms. I have said it many times before,,,, no knaji,,, no chinese, japanese,,,

just copy search my texrts,,,, i have said it many,,, times before,,,

DK approved.

Deicide · « **Reply #44 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:51:50 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 05:48:51 AM

BS, pinyin is not effective and takes to much time for reading.

Kanji are perfect, just accept that.

DK approved, i won't comment on this topic ayn further, don't send me pms. I have said it many times before,,,, no knaji,,, no chinese, japanese,,,

just copy search my texrts,,,, i have said it many,,, times before,,,

DK approved.

They used to argue this for Korean too...do Koreans need too time to read? You are in denial. There is NO LOGICAL reason for them; purely cultural. Anything else is just a rationalisation.

DK II · « **Reply #45 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:57:23 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 05:51:50 AM

They used to argue this for Korean too...do Koreans need too time to read? You are in denial. There is NO LOGICAL reason for them; purely cultural. Anything else is just a rationalisation.

Last post on this topic:

I have an MA in japanese. I have learned it, i have read many many many texts and texts written in romaji are not understandable. Even if you have to look up some Kanji the texts are easier to read.

If one of us is in denial, it's you.

Ich habe fertig.

Deicide · « **Reply #46 on:** May 26, 2009, 05:59:16 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 05:57:23 AM

Last post on this topic:

I have an MA in japanese. I have learned it, i have read many many many texts and texts written in romaji are not understandable. Even if you have to look up some Kanji the texts are easier to read.

If one of us is in denial, it's you.

Ich habe fertig.

Then, don't you think Koreans should use Kanji as they used to instead of Hangeul?

DK II · « **Reply #47 on:** May 26, 2009, 06:01:43 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 05:59:16 AM

Then, don't you think Koreans should use Kanji as they used to instead of Hangeul?

Yes they should.

Over and out.

Deicide · « **Reply #48 on:** May 26, 2009, 06:03:10 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on May 26, 2009, 06:01:43 AM

Yes they should.

Over and out.

Wow...so their alphabet is a bad system?

Maybe they should start writing German and English in Kanji as well?!

DK II · « **Reply #49 on:** May 26, 2009, 06:05:37 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 26, 2009, 06:03:10 AM

Wow...so their alphabet is a bad system?

Maybe they should start writing German and English in Kanji as well?!

Don't try to make an idiot out of me. But even german would be better to read with Kanji.

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