California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban

[timfogarty]

Take away marriage and more guys might be able to start having sex again.

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/533narty.asp

"gay marriage will lead to female child prostitution"

[timfogarty]

so are you telling us you were born last night?

no, he's from the 1950s, fell asleep and woke up in 2009

[Sarcastic Deity]

no, he's from the 1950s, fell asleep and woke up in 2009

lol. wrong on both counts

funny how this theory causes gays to become so upset.  your flustered, very terse jab tells it all

fact is, it's no more of a choice than it is a physical difference and vice versa.  it's neither good nor bad.  it simply 'is'

[timfogarty]

lol. wrong on both counts

funny how this theory causes gays to become so upset.  your flustered, very terse jab tells it all

fact is, it's no more of a choice than it is a physical difference and vice versa.  it's neither good nor bad.  it simply 'is'

domineering mother, absent father, etc, was the prevailing point of view in the 1960s.   hundreds of peer reviewed studies showed it to be false.

[Deicide]

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/533narty.asp

"gay marriage will lead to female child prostitution"

Good article.

[Sarcastic Deity]

domineering mother, absent father, etc, was the prevailing point of view in the 1960s.   hundreds of peer reviewed studies showed it to be false.

plenty of gay men, particularly white and asian, have had a father in the house, no doubt about it

in the case of gay men, its much less about the father than it is the mother

[Tre]

plenty of gay men, particularly white and asian, have had a father in the house, no doubt about it

in the case of gay men, its much less about the father than it is the mother

Women often turn their sons - and daughters - into sissies, but not every sissy is gay and not every gay is a sissy. 

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/533narty.asp

"gay marriage will lead to female child prostitution"

Unbelievable. 

[bigdumbbell]

plenty of gay men, particularly white and asian, have had a father in the house, no doubt about it

in the case of gay men, its much less about the father than it is the mother

u  sure know alot about gay men   

[Sarcastic Deity]

Women often turn their sons - and daughters - into sissies, but not every sissy is gay and not every gay is a sissy. 

agreed.  the effects of the mother stay with a person for a lifetime, too

by the way, the theories from the 60s would suggest that somehow homosexuality IS a choice and can possibly be 'cured' through psychiatry.  this is what makes them wrong and outdated

[Sarcastic Deity]

u  sure know alot about gay men   

but i thought you disagreed with me 

[bigdumbbell]

but i thought you disagreed with me 

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing ...just observing you know alot about homosexuality

[tommywishbone]

This thread is gay.

[Sarcastic Deity]

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing ...just observing you know alot about homosexuality

come on, man.  which is it 

[bigdumbbell]

come on, man.  which is it 

i agree that u know too much about homosexuality. 

[Sarcastic Deity]

i agree that u know too much about homosexuality. 

sounds like you're now a convert to the truth about it.  congrats 

[bigdumbbell]

sounds like you're now a convert to the truth about it.  congrats 

hun i said no such thing

[Sarcastic Deity]

hun i said no such thing

 

[mass 04]

I honestly don't get why people get so hyped up against this. Let them get married, who are they harming honestly.

[bigdumbbell]

were you really born in the 40's?

[Sarcastic Deity]

I honestly don't get why people get so hyped up against this. Let them get married, who are they harming honestly.

exactly.  they're envisioning gay male couples on every block in america, luring children in with lollipops and gay porn.  fact is, not a damned thing would change.  no one would even notice

[Sarcastic Deity]

were you really born in the 40's?

no, i wasn't.  my thoughts aren't related to the outdated stuff timfogarty was talking about.  i don't believe that gays can be or should feel the need to be 'cured', and i don't think they're guilty of 'deviant' behavior (no more than heterosexuals, anyway , etc.

i'm simply going by other kids i recall from childhood, what i've gathered about their families during our time as children, and how they've grown up and come to identify themselves as adults.

don't mean to piss anyone off, but don't much care if i do. 

[Tapeworm]

well, don't go to New Orleans for Mardi Gras, or Daytona Beach for Spring Break.   Or the east side of Manhattan on March 17.

Easy there Tim, I'm on your side.  Gay marriage should be legal.  I never heard of Manhattan March 17, but you're really stretching it to hold up Mardi Gras and Daytona Beach as examples of a straight pride parade.  There's no political agenda associated with either event.

I'm not saying you can't get together and have a party.  Do your thing.  That would be akin to Mardi Gras or Daytona.  Wouldn't you agree, however, that politically motivated gatherings (marches & parades) are doing more harm than good for the present day cause of gay equality?

Told ya, Tapeworm. Black and white to some.

Yes, not so savvy.  You split hairs after you get unjust laws sorted out.  Insist on a bunch of opinion clones and you're shooting yourself in the foot by making any sort of unity or congress damn near impossible.  What's needed is a good dose of, dare I say it, tolerance.

[timfogarty]

I never heard of Manhattan March 17

Irish Pride Day

I'm not saying you can't get together and have a party.  Do your thing.  That would be akin to Mardi Gras or Daytona.  Wouldn't you agree, however, that politically motivated gatherings (marches & parades) are doing more harm than good for the present day cause of gay equality?

No, gay pride is still important.  its the only time the "gay community" gets together.  its the only time the gays really get together with the lesbians, the only time the suburban families get together with the urban club kids, etc.   

Gay pride is 90% G rated, 9% PG, .9% R, and .09% NC-17.  Of course the tv news crews will find the R rated stuff, and the fundies will find the NC-17.  but we've survived 40 years of that.

June 28 is the 40th aniversary of the Stonewall Riots, the first gay pride march was June 28 1970 in Los Angeles.

[Tapeworm]

Irish Pride Day

No, gay pride is still important.  its the only time the "gay community" gets together.  its the only time the gays really get together with the lesbians, the only time the suburban families get together with the urban club kids, etc.   

Gay pride is 90% G rated, 9% PG, .9% R, and .09% NC-17.  Of course the tv news crews will find the R rated stuff, and the fundies will find the NC-17.  but we've survived 40 years of that.

June 28 is the 40th aniversary of the Stonewall Riots, the first gay pride march was June 28 1970 in Los Angeles.

The gay community sounds kind of factionalized despite facing a common problem.

The world has changed a lot since 1970.  You're facing a different set of problems so you need different solutions.  While a pride march might bring your community together it isn't going to gain any further public support for your cause, which is what you need.  Clearly, the old methods simply aren't getting the job done for you.  Seems to me you should find a way to use that pride march as a springboard for more varied action, stand together the remaining 364 days of the year to create a strong lobby, and explore some ways of influencing the press and the minds of voters.  Identify and work on some key people before the next vote and see if you can get some better percentages out of problem demographics.  Maybe sue the state on the grounds that inequality under the law is unconstitutional?  I don't have a solution for you but I wish you luck.

[timfogarty]

The gay community sounds kind of factionalized despite facing a common problem.

yeah, its because gays are a cross section of society.    inner city club kids really don't have too much in common with soccer moms.

Clearly, the old methods simply aren't getting the job done for you. 

are you kidding?  gay marriage in 5 states!   this close to a gay American Idol without any real controversy.  How many gay Survivors, again without controversy?

While a pride march might bring your community together it isn't going to gain any further public support for your cause, which is what you need. 

the only thing needed for more public support is for people to come out.   lot harder to be anti-gay when you have a gay friend or family member