Tren-only cycle. Good or bad?

[gdub1979]

I'm seriously thinkin of getting the fina kit and making my own tren.  Wanted to know what to expect from a tren-only cycle.  I know I probably should throw some test in there, but I also heard that tren has good results alone.  I would rather hear the truth from yall.

[Redwine]

combining with test e would be better i think

[strength]

no it is not a good idea.

In fact it is a terrible idea.

Every cycle NEEEDS test.

[tbombz]

its fine. you may have some libido issues, or you may not. most people will tell you tren is the most powerful steroid, both for gaining muscle and for keeping muscle while losing fat

[Emmortal]

Contrary to popular board belief, tren or deca only cycles can be very effective without test.  However, it's not something everyone can handle.  I have several friends who run tren only cycles and don't have any issues and get great results.  It's best to have some test on hand though just in case.  Get some test prop if you are running tren ace and have it as a back up.

[powerpack]

My buddie is a Tren only fan other than the begining and end of the cycle.
It works for him

[abc123]

Contrary to popular board belief, tren or deca only cycles can be very effective without test.  However, it's not something everyone can handle.  I have several friends who run tren only cycles and don't have any issues and get great results.  It's best to have some test on hand though just in case.  Get some test prop if you are running tren ace and have it as a back up.

I'd have something on hand for Prolactin as well.  Personally I use Bromocriptine for the mood enhancing effects (dopamine).

[gdub1979]

So as I understand then, the Tren-only cycle will give me quality gains, but without the major size that test will give.  Is that pretty much it?

[dustin]

May want to run some test or primo with it. Some people can get away with it, but your dinky might shut down.

A buddy of mine went from a stick figure to a freak on just 200mg of deca each week. And he's not sputtering out some Lee Priest BS... he was injecting it in his biceps for a couple months and looks good enough to step on stage now. I have him running better shit now that he's moved back to town and he's looking phenomenal.

There's an IFBB pro at my gym that looked at him and basically said "holy fucking shit".... him and his bros have PHENOMENAL genetics. They dominated every sport they played. If I can find pics I'll post them (if he's cool with it - probably doesn't give a fuck) lol

[gdub1979]

Aight, I'm just gone go on ahead and do 75mg eod, of Tren.  Hopefully, I'll lose some body fat and turn my 187lbs (18%bf) to 170 and shredded.  What kind of test would be best IF I was going to add it in?

[abc123]

I would use Prop so you can raise and lower your T levels quickly.

[dustin]

I would use Prop so you can raise and lower your T levels quickly.

Yup, prop or some suspension. I don't trust water based shit unless it's in AMPs or HG though... I'd probably go for the prop. It is very fast acting, same with tren ace. I'd run a little test just to play it safe.

[Luv2Hurt]

Yup, prop or some suspension. I don't trust water based shit unless it's in AMPs or HG though... I'd probably go for the prop. It is very fast acting, same with tren ace. I'd run a little test just to play it safe.

And increase your results.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yup, prop or some suspension. I don't trust water based shit unless it's in AMPs or HG though...

Is there HG suspension on the market nowadays? Which brands have you seen, or know of?

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Is there HG suspension on the market nowadays? Which brands have you seen, or know of?

No, its mostly UGL.

[abc123]

Is there HG suspension on the market nowadays? Which brands have you seen, or know of?

You can get it thru HRT compounding pharmacies.

[dustin]

Is there HG suspension on the market nowadays? Which brands have you seen, or know of?

I'm about 95% positive that there is, but I cannot recall any of the pharms. I don't think they prescribe it in Canada at least. Everyone on HRT up here just gets the same script for test cyp, 200mg e/w. 400mg e/w if you have an AWESOME doctor

I would only ever use the UGL stuff that's in amps though. Suspension.... multi-draw vial...... UGL...................FAIL. I feel much safer pinning prop. I've gotten small abscesses/irritations that healed up naturally. I only use reputable Canadian UGLs or HG.

[tcctc]

Personally I feel tren is over rated, but would run test with it for sure. be carefully when shopping for suspension. About 6 months ago I got some Grupo tarasco suspension. I ran 100 mg ed. for 40 days. I thought it was ok but not great. I come to find out it is a counterfeit. It is no longer manufactured  and hasn't been for a few years, and the dates on the bottles were 08 to 2012. also the labels corners should be rounded not square. I should have done my homework first, but I learn from my mistakes. I am sure there was some test in it or I would have crashed, but to me I was still ripped off. I didn't get what I paid for. If it is ok with the mods I would like to post the site so know one else gets some counterfeit bullshit. Who knows what I was putting in my body.  MY info comes from Anabolic's (William LLewellyn ) 2007 and 2009 also research on the company/manufacture. If I was not 100% sure I was sold a counterfeit, I would not post site.

[abc123]

I'm about 95% positive that there is, but I cannot recall any of the pharms. I don't think they prescribe it in Canada at least. Everyone on HRT up here just gets the same script for test cyp, 200mg e/w. 400mg e/w if you have an AWESOME doctor

I would only ever use the UGL stuff that's in amps though. Suspension.... multi-draw vial...... UGL...................FAIL. I feel much safer pinning prop. I've gotten small abscesses/irritations that healed up naturally. I only use reputable Canadian UGLs or HG.

I know of a source that has test suspension @ 25mg/ml.  It's Aquaviron made by Nicholas (or at least that what it looks like on the box).

[io856]

Not that I am interested at this point in doing it,,, bare with my lack of knowledge on the subject here,,,

How do the receptors get stimulated? so if one has test + tren and whatever else running through the system,,, is the one drug interfering with the other at the receptor?

Now if somebody has ONLY one compound saturating the receptors will it have a greater effect due to the lack of competition and stronger binding at the receptors?

So lets say we have 1000mgs total of AAS to play with

Would there be a greater trenbolone/other steroid response if test is kept at HRT doses and we have 800mgs of other AAS in ONE compound? As opposed to a 600mg test and 400mg tren split.

[tcctc]

I know of a source that has test suspension @ 25mg/ml.  It's Aquaviron made by Nicholas (or at least that what it looks like on the box).

I ALSO KNOW A SOURCE THAT I TRUST WHO HAS AQUAVIRON. THAT IS A SLOW RELEASE SUSPENSION. DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME, BUT I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT GIVING IT A TRY. HAS ANYONE EVER TRIED IT AND WHAT IS YOUR FEED BACK?

[jayfromeurope]

I also have some test. Suspension Aquaviron. Some dude told me that you have to inject every day or other day and it hurts like hell.

[abc123]

What makes it a slow release suspension?  I didn't know such a thing exists...

Also, maybe this is a dumb question, but how would 50mg of Aquaviron ED compare to 50mg of Stanozolol ED? 

I've never used suspension.  It's one of the few AAS I've never touched.

[tbombz]

Not that I am interested at this point in doing it,,, bare with my lack of knowledge on the subject here,,,

How do the receptors get stimulated? so if one has test + tren and whatever else running through the system,,, is the one drug interfering with the other at the receptor?

Now if somebody has ONLY one compound saturating the receptors will it have a greater effect due to the lack of competition and stronger binding at the receptors?

So lets say we have 1000mgs total of AAS to play with

Would there be a greater trenbolone/other steroid response if test is kept at HRT doses and we have 800mgs of other AAS in ONE compound? As opposed to a 600mg test and 400mg tren split.

good question.

that whole competition for androgen receptor thing , IMO., would only take place when your takign a amount of steroids that is OVER the amount necessary to fully saturate every androgen receptor in the body. then at that point, weaker steroids would have a negative effect on stronger steroids.

but when the total levels of steroid is lower than the total level of androgen receptor, there shouldnt be any problem stacking two steroids.


and then another part of your question was whether or not trenbolone is stronger than testosterone. on paper trenbolone is a stronger androgen as far as what it signals via the AR. however, trenbolone is a non armoatizing steroid, while testosterone and aromatase are inseperable fuck buddies.  so you would need to determine is trens effects at the AR are enough to outweight tests effects on estrogen(s) and their positive effects on anabolism and fat loss.

[Van_Bilderass]

I know of a source that has test suspension @ 25mg/ml.  It's Aquaviron made by Nicholas (or at least that what it looks like on the box).

I ALSO KNOW A SOURCE THAT I TRUST WHO HAS AQUAVIRON. THAT IS A SLOW RELEASE SUSPENSION. DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME,

What makes it a slow release suspension?  I didn't know such a thing exists...

It's esterified.

Still curious if there's any commonly seen brand name suspension on the black market. Many years ago I saw Jurox Testosus over here in Europe.