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General George S. Patton
« on: May 30, 2009, 10:59:53 PM »
A warrior-poet and philosopher king, or a war mongering gloryhound?

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2009, 11:04:41 PM »
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2009, 12:36:41 AM »
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2009, 12:37:42 AM »
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2009, 12:39:58 AM »
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2009, 12:47:25 AM »
He would have been a getbigger if he had been born later.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2009, 01:00:36 AM »
Ty Cobb was Patton's hero.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2009, 01:02:51 AM »
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2009, 01:46:24 AM »
Quote from: LatsMcGee on May 31, 2009, 01:00:36 AM
Ty Cobb was Patton's hero.

Really?  Do you know why?  I would have guessed Alexander, Julius Caesar, or Napoleon. 
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2009, 01:48:45 AM »
Quote from: Tapeworm on May 31, 2009, 01:46:24 AM
Really?  Do you know why?  I would have guessed Alexander, Julius Caesar, or Napoleon. 

He thought Ty Cobb was the model American.  Bold, aggressive, wanted to win at all cost.  Excelled at everything except raising his kids, lol. 
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2009, 02:09:05 AM »
Quote from: LatsMcGee on May 31, 2009, 01:48:45 AM
He thought Ty Cobb was the model American.  Bold, aggressive, wanted to win at all cost.  Excelled at everything except raising his kids, lol. 

I guess I can see that.  Do you know in what context Patton praised Cobb?  Despite Patton's rep for having a big mouth, a lot of his time seems to have been spent strengthening his position by saying the right thing whether he believed it or not.  I'm listening to the early chapters of War As I Knew It and some of his post invasion diplomatic dealings with the Sultan of Morocco, and the Moroccan and French command show him to be quite a cunning politician.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2009, 02:11:09 AM »
Quote from: Tapeworm on May 31, 2009, 02:09:05 AM
I guess I can see that.  Do you know in what context Patton praised Cobb?  Despite Patton's rep for having a big mouth, a lot of his time seems to have been spent strengthening his position by saying the right thing whether he believed it or not.  I'm listening to the early chapters of War As I Knew It and some of his post invasion diplomatic dealings with the Sultan of Morocco, and the Moroccan and French command show him to be quite a cunning politician.

Mainly his work ethics and his willingness to take risks for financial gains. 
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2009, 02:31:29 AM »
WWII buff?

Wasn't there some controversy about the N Africa campaign?

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2009, 02:52:11 AM »
Quote from: Tatyana on May 31, 2009, 02:31:29 AM
WWII buff?

Wasn't there some controversy about the N Africa campaign?



I find military history interesting, particularly the individuals who fused political ability with battlefield talent, and the evolving nature of history's empires, what changes and what stays the same.

Are you referring to the slapping incidents?  I think that was in Sicily.  That he got in trouble and relieved of command was very much a sign of modern times.  In an earlier world, Patton might have become one of history's empire builders, for better or worse.

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2009, 03:19:37 AM »
Quote from: Tapeworm on May 31, 2009, 02:52:11 AM
I find military history interesting, particularly the individuals who fused political ability with battlefield talent, and the evolving nature of history's empires, what changes and what stays the same.

Are you referring to the slapping incidents?  I think that was in Sicily.  That he got in trouble and relieved of command was very much a sign of modern times.  In an earlier world, Patton might have become one of history's empire builders, for better or worse.


He was considered a bold tank commander a kind of American Guderian. But to be honest he faced an already bleeding wermacht. Building empires. Nahha. You need political vision. He didn't have any.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 04:34:04 AM »
Quote from: atafic on May 31, 2009, 03:19:37 AM
He was considered a bold tank commander a kind of American Guderian. But to be honest he faced an already bleeding wermacht. Building empires. Nahha. You need political vision. He didn't have any.

He was kept on the leash by modern institutions - bureaucracy and multinational alliance.  Even modern patriotism put the brakes on him in the sense that modern soldiers fight for their nation, not their commander.  King, prime minister, president, etc, the nation is now seen as distinct from them.  If he had been operating in a capacity like that of a Roman consul, nothing would have stopped him from turning on the Russians like he wanted to, and the second half of the 20th century would have been very different. 
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 04:45:49 AM »
And he's big on cardio.  45 mins of 'running in place.'  ::)
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 05:12:32 AM »
Quote from: Tatyana on May 31, 2009, 02:31:29 AM
WWII buff?

Wasn't there some controversy about the N Africa campaign?


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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009, 10:20:14 AM »
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 10:25:28 AM »
Quote from: Tapeworm on May 30, 2009, 10:59:53 PM
A warrior-poet and philosopher king, or a war mongering gloryhound?
That's not Patton. This is Patton.  >:(

/apparently, he had a high pitched voice  :-\
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2009, 10:29:48 AM »
Great genetics for military leadership as well as fighting Nazis.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2009, 10:38:53 AM »
Quote from: Camel  Jockey on May 31, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
Great genetics for military leadership as well as fighting Nazis.

Competed in the 1912 Olympics as well.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2009, 10:41:54 AM »
One the other spectrum you have Douglas MacArthur who also had great genetics for military leadership as well as for fighting Japs. 
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2009, 10:44:06 AM »
My dad knew a guy that worked under patton in ww2

he said patton was a serious crazy person that enjoyed killing.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2009, 10:46:15 AM »
Quote from: Mr. Magoo on May 31, 2009, 10:44:06 AM
My dad knew a guy that worked under patton in ww2

said he was a serious crazy person that enjoyed killing.


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