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Chinese company buys Hummer
« on: June 02, 2009, 10:05:28 AM »
Hummer Finds a Buyer in Chinese Machinery Company


General Motors has reached a preliminary agreement for the sale of its Hummer brand of large sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks to a machinery company in western China with ambitions to become a carmaker, a person  familiar with the Chinese government approval process said Tuesday.

The Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Company Ltd., based in Chengdu, concluded the agreement with GM [GMGMQ  0.591    -0.159  (-21.2%)   ], said the person, who insisted on anonymity.

Sichuan Tengzhong is a privately owned company, but Tuesday’s deal required preliminary vetting by Beijing officials, who retain the right to veto any attempt at an overseas acquisition by a Chinese company and who give special attention to deals over $100 million.

G.M. announced the deal early Tuesday morning in Detroit but said that the memorandum of understanding would not allow it to reveal the buyer or the price. Industry analysts have estimated that the Hummer division would sell for less than $500 million.

Sichuan Tengzhong is known in China for making a wide range of road equipment, from bridge piers to highway construction and maintenance machinery. But even before the Hummer deal, the company has been moving more into heavy-duty trucks, including tow trucks and oil tankers.

Sichuan Tengzhong’s offices were closed on Tuesday evening and calls to its headquarters were not answered.

 G.M. said the deal would save about 3,000 jobs in the United States, including those at its 153 domestic dealerships, and that Hummer would remain based in the United States.

“Overall, we’re pretty pleased,” said a spokesman for Hummer, Nick Richards, without identifying the buyer. “If you think about the qualities we’d want in a new owner for the brand, this buyer really met all the criteria. They’ve got a proven track record in international business, and they’ve got a long-term vision for the brand. They’ve got the capital to invest in more efficient vehicles, which is what’s necessary to grow the brand.”

If the purchase is completed, it would mark the first acquisition of a well-known American automotive brand by a Chinese company, after many months of speculation about when this might occur. Chinese automakers have already purchased the MG and Rover brands, two of the most famous names in British automotive history.

As a Chinese company, Sichuan Tengzhong could face a challenge in presenting the deal to American owners of Hummer. The brand has long sought to emphasize patriotism, stressing that the Hummer H1 was essentially the same vehicle built in the same factory as the Humvee that carries American soldiers into battle in Iraq and elsewhere.


It was Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of California who persuaded the longtime maker of Humvees, A.M. General in Mishawaka, Ind., to build a civilian version. As he recounted at a Hummer news conference in 2001, Mr. Schwarzenegger was filming the movie “Kindergarten Kop” in Oregon in 1990 when he saw a convoy of 50 Humvees drive by and decided that he had to have a civilian model of the same vehicle, which became the Hummer H1.

G.M. bought the rights to the Hummer brand in 1999 and began making somewhat smaller Hummers. G.M. initially procured the H1 from A.M. General but discontinued the model in 2006.

Under the preliminary agreement announced on Tuesday, GM will initially continue to manufacture Hummers under contract for Sichuan Tengzhong, which will then market them around the world. G.M. will continue making the H3 and H3T models in Shreveport, La.,  through the end of next year, for example.


The buyer plans to shift additional production of the H3 from a plant in South Africa to Shreveport, Mr. Richards said.

Sichuan Tengzhong could bring Hummers to the crowded streets of China’s big cities, although the vehicles would face the 40 percent tax that China imposes on cars, S.U.V.s and minivans with engines over 4 liters.

G.M. has not set up its own Hummer dealer network in China, but entrepreneurs already import the vehicles and sell them in the biggest cities.

Copies of the Hummer by Chinese automakers draw crowds at auto shows, although they are labeled as concept vehicles and are not for sale.

G.M., which is hoping to shed unwanted assets and emerge from bankruptcy in about two months, said it expected the deal to close in the third quarter. The automaker had planned to close Hummer if a buyer could not be found. It is also trying to sell Saturn and Saab this year and plans to eliminate a fourth brand, Pontiac, in 2010.

G.M., with 60 percent government ownership, will keep Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC.

“Hummer is a strong brand,” Troy Clarke, the president of G.M. North America, said in a statement: “I’m confident that Hummer will thrive globally under its new ownership. And for G.M., this sale continues to accelerate the reinvention of G.M. into a leaner, more focused, and more cost-competitive automaker.”

Special Report: The Fall of GM
Once considered the ultimate muscle car, the Hummer became a symbol of what was wrong with G.M. and the American auto industry — big, bulky and gas-guzzling. Sales of Hummers fell 51 percent last year, the worst drop in the industry, and are down 67 percent so far in 2009.

Mr. Richards said the buyer planned to continue selling Hummer’s current lineup as it develops “more efficient” vehicles. The brand would eventually sell trucks fueled by diesel, ethanol and other alternative fuels, he said.

In February, G.M. said it had three bidders for Hummer, which has about 220 dealers globally.

Hummer’s chief executive, James Taylor, said the sale would allow the company to continue to grow and maximize the brand’s potential.

This story originally appeared in the The New York Times

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Another "victory" by the 31 y/o in charge of GM - lets sell everything to China. 

What a sad joke.   

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 10:34:06 AM »

 G.M. said the deal would save about 3,000 jobs in the United States, including those at its 153 domestic dealerships, and that Hummer would remain based in the United States.


yeah this really sucks

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 10:37:19 AM »
Didn't the US military start to move away from the Humvee already?


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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 10:38:20 AM »
yeah this really sucks

Do you really believe that?  Serious???? 

Just like the stimilus was going to create 4 million jobs - you believed that too right???


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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 10:39:45 AM »
Didn't the US military start to move away from the Humvee already?



Regardless, why dont we do what is necessary to make Hummers here??? 

The chinese are going to make it and still sell the vehicles and profits go to the Chinese. 

You dont see the hypocricy in this from this Admn????

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 10:45:56 AM »
Regardless, why dont we do what is necessary to make Hummers here??? 

The chinese are going to make it and still sell the vehicles and profits go to the Chinese. 

You dont see the hypocricy in this from this Admn????

I'm sure if they could they would

do you know for a fact that the the Administration or the 31 year old you're so pissed about are the ones that brokered the deal

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 10:48:33 AM »
Regardless, why dont we do what is necessary to make Hummers here??? 

The chinese are going to make it and still sell the vehicles and profits go to the Chinese. 

You dont see the hypocricy in this from this Admn????

What profit?

Isn't that the point? Hummer is profitless!

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 10:51:18 AM »
Regardless, why dont we do what is necessary to make Hummers here??? 

The chinese are going to make it and still sell the vehicles and profits go to the Chinese. 

You dont see the hypocricy in this from this Admn????

Uh 333 GM were going to sell the Hummer brand before the bailout.  It was a failing brand that sold poorly and was not sustainable in the long term.  Quit with the bullsh*t already.  
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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 10:52:15 AM »
Do you really believe that?  Serious???? 

Just like the stimilus was going to create 4 million jobs - you believed that too right???



What in that quote is unbelievable. Those were the terms of the deal. This morning on the news, they even stated that one of the African factories would be closing and moving to the US.

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 10:52:39 AM »
What profit?

Isn't that the point? Hummer is profitless!

Exactly.  The Chinese will likely keep it as a niche car making a select few for those who desire such a thing.  GM was mass marketing and building a large number of vehicles no one wanted to buy.  
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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 10:54:11 AM »
I'm sure if they could they would

do you know for a fact that the the Administration or the 31 year old you're so pissed about are the ones that brokered the deal

I heard that GM was awaiting approval from the government for the sale to be completed, so most likely it was not brokered by the 31- year old. As was posted above me, Hummer was GM's worst selling brand and they had been courting buyers for a while.

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 10:55:39 AM »
Uh 333 GM were going to sell the Hummer brand before the bailout.  It was a failing brand that sold poorly and was not sustainable in the long term.  Quit with the bullsh*t already.  

I love seeing all you Obama sycophants defending even the most insane things coming from this Admn.  

  
    

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 10:57:02 AM »
I love seeing all you Obama sycophants defending even the most insane things coming from this Admn.  
   

Please explain what is insane about it?

Hummer makes no profit, so what is the point in owning a failing company? What about Hummer do you feel is valuable?

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 10:59:28 AM »
He doesn't know Tu.  He's a copy and paste puppet.  No real thought for himself.  He sees no good from anything that isn't by the GOP. 
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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 11:09:56 AM »
He doesn't know Tu.  He's a copy and paste puppet.  No real thought for himself.  He sees no good from anything that isn't by the GOP. 

Thats where you are wrong fool.  I have been one of the biggest critics of GWB on many issues.

The reason GM cant make a profit with Hummer is the same reason they cant make aprofit with the malibu, pick up truck, cobalt, or any car for that matter.

Their cost structure is too high due to union work rules, retiree pensions and health care, and other legacy costs that are not sustainable. 

Why is it that BMW and Honda can make cars here at a profit but GM cannot????

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 11:21:32 AM »
Thats where you are wrong fool.  I have been one of the biggest critics of GWB on many issues.

The reason GM cant make a profit with Hummer is the same reason they cant make aprofit with the malibu, pick up truck, cobalt, or any car for that matter.

Their cost structure is too high due to union work rules, retiree pensions and health care, and other legacy costs that are not sustainable. 

Why is it that BMW and Honda can make cars here at a profit but GM cannot????

Hummer's problem isn't labor though... They make a product that no one wants because the cost of ownership of that vehicle is too high.

Rising gas prices destroyed hummer... No one wants a vehicle that gets 9 miles to the gallon.

9 years ago before 3 dollar gas, the Hummers sold very well, GMs union costs were no more than they are now... They're no longer selling like they were then, so that is what happens.

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 11:22:53 AM »
Hummer's problem isn't labor though... They make a product that no one wants because the cost of ownership of that vehicle is too high.

Rising gas prices destroyed hummer... No one wants a vehicle that gets 9 miles to the gallon.

9 years ago before 3 dollar gas, the Hummers sold very well, GMs union costs were no more than they are now... They're no longer selling like they were then, so that is what happens.

This Chinese company disagrees with you. 

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2009, 11:24:41 AM »
This Chinese company disagrees with you. 

I guess we'll see if they make a product as good as the current hummer and makes a profit... I don't believe they will, even if they keep the brand, how much of that is funded by the Chinese government and how they prop up their own currency.

Time will tell, but I don't believe that any Chinese hummer will have the quality or reliability that we have in the current version.

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2009, 12:38:04 PM »
uh, China has been building Hummers for years and years already.

Hope this helps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC_HMMWVs



There are at least two Chinese automobile manufacturers building HMMWV copies, possibly, with the assistance of AM General. Both HMMWV copies rely heavily on imported U.S.-made parts including chassis, gear box, and diesel engine. It appears that at least one company, Dongfeng Motor Corporation (DFM), has the full consent and cooperation of AM General. Both manufacturers claimed that they will be able to gradually increase the percentage of indigenously made content on the vehicles in the future, since the PLA is unlikely willing to accept any equipment that relies largely on foreign made parts.

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2009, 12:43:50 PM »
if you pay for a hummer from a chinese girl with USD, are you helping our economy or theirs?

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2009, 01:22:50 PM »
Both manufacturers claimed that they will be able to gradually increase the percentage of indigenously made content on the vehicles in the future, since the PLA is unlikely willing to accept any equipment that relies largely on foreign made parts.


Even the Chinese get it.  We are morons of the worst order. 

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2009, 01:31:49 PM »
Both manufacturers claimed that they will be able to gradually increase the percentage of indigenously made content on the vehicles in the future, since the PLA is unlikely willing to accept any equipment that relies largely on foreign made parts.


Even the Chinese get it.  We are morons of the worst order. 

I agree with the premise that we make things in house and use US parts.

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2009, 01:35:23 PM »
I agree with the premise that we make things in house and use US parts.

Its sad, but the Chinese understand, appreciate, basic economics better than we do. 

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2009, 03:11:01 PM »
The only way anyone in China can get a hummer is to pay for it.  ;)

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Re: Chinese company buys Hummer
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2009, 04:59:49 PM »
yeah this really sucks

Dude, ...it's Hummer.

Do you know why we see so many bright yellow Hummers? Because it's one of the biggest lemons on the road.  ;D
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