Barack Hussein Obama: US "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world"

[headhuntersix]

Oh really Barry.....He must of ment we kill more muslims then anybody else..thus doing everybody a favor.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/06/03/barack_hussein_obama_us_one_of_the_largest_muslim_countries_in_the_world

UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama's claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world's total and less than at least 23 other countries.

The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it's not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.

But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world - behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, guy, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.

[Soul Crusher]

Oh really Barry.....He must of ment we kill more muslims then anybody else..thus doing everybody a favor.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/06/03/barack_hussein_obama_us_one_of_the_largest_muslim_countries_in_the_world

UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama's claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world's total and less than at least 23 other countries.

The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it's not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.

But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world - behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, guy, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.

Dont blame him, he does not know basic math. The TOTUS told him to say this. 

[shootfighter1]

Repairing some US relations throughout the world is a noble persuit but it seems Obama is going out of his way to appease and identify with muslim countries.

[Al Doggity]

How? By acknowledging that America has a sizable Muslim population?

The 34 countries listed in HH6's link are mostly PREDOMINANTLY Muslim countries . The US has a larger Muslim population than countries like France and the UK, in which the Muslim population is considered a major issue. On top of that, America is not as easily accessible as countries on the European continent, yet still manages to in the top 25% of countries in relation to Muslim population size.

[shootfighter1]

Thats just another small example.  He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc.  He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been.  These are just the things I remember off hand.

Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims.  Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S.  I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.

[Soul Crusher]

Thats just another small example.  He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc.  He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been.  These are just the things I remember off hand.

Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims.  Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S.  I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.

I honestly think he is trying to do the right thing here.  however, I dont trhink he realizes that worked on the streets of Chicago is not the same thing as the ME. 

[shootfighter1]

I agree.  I think he has the best intentions. Trying to boost relations with muslim nations is a big priority of this president.  Improving relations is good, giving muslim countries a more open dialogue with the US is good.  As you know, I think the war in Iraq was a mistake.  Trying to reach younger muslims is a worthy persuit.
I do not agree with the degree which he praises muslim nations, islamic religion & culture and tries to identify with them.  Thats where I think he goes too far.
Freedom of religion is important but frankly, islamic religion and many aspects of islamic culture are quite backward.  And for people that respect women's rights, muslims are typically far behind. 

The soldiers I spoke with who were in Iraq and Afghanastan said it seemed most of the people were living in the past.

[OzmO]

I honestly think he is trying to do the right thing here.  however, I dont trhink he realizes that worked on the streets of Chicago is not the same thing as the ME. 

Yeah, at some point the reality of just how hateful these religious nut jobs can be will surface.   But not everyone there are religious nut jobs, so it's probably not a waste.

[Al Doggity]

Thats just another small example.  He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc.  He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been.  These are just the things I remember off hand.

Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims.  Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S.  I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.

The President, regardless of who he or she is, must multi-task. There will always be issues going on in America. We can't expect the Prez to ignore the rest of the world because of that.

I don't think it's such a bad thing to establish mutual respect between the two cultures. The extremist contingent of Muslims isn't going away anytime soon and you can only launch so many wars and security measures. Like it or not, there are certain instances when diplomacy is needed. The notion of not looking like a paper tiger may work as an ideology, but in practice it has only fueled extremist movements.

[Mons Venus]

Oh really Barry BOSS....He must of ment we kill more muslims then anybody else..thus doing everybody a favor.

Fixed.



Mr Socialist HH6 should RESPECT his black bossman.


Socialist HH6 Gov. Healthcare- check!

Socialist Gov. Paycheck - check!

Socialist Gov. Pension -check!

Socialist Gov. College tuition-check!

Socialist Gov. housing- check!

Socialist Gov. food - check!

[Migs]

the problem here is that regular good muslims don't hate everyone.  The problem is improving relations with radical muslims that will never ease up on the hatred to the US.  Therefore all he is doing is portraying us as an apologetic nation on verge of defeat and giving the radicals the idea that the US is getting weak and asking for mercy. 

[OzmO]

Fixed.



Mr Socialist HH6 should RESPECT his black bossman.


Socialist HH6 Gov. Healthcare- check!

Socialist Gov. Paycheck - check!

Socialist Gov. Pension -check!

Socialist Gov. College tuition-check!

Socialist Gov. housing- check!

Socialist Gov. food - check!

You should find a counselor.  You seem to be stalking and are obsessed with HH6.

[Al Doggity]

the problem here is that regular good muslims don't hate everyone.  The problem is improving relations with radical muslims that will never ease up on the hatred to the US.  Therefore all he is doing is portraying us as an apologetic nation on verge of defeat and giving the radicals the idea that the US is getting weak and asking for mercy. 

I disagree. Radical Muslims are made not born. America's might is not in doubt. Extremist elements have no expectations of actually beating. America taking a less aggressive, more diplomatic stance can help to slow the swelling of extremist ranks.

[kcballer]

I disagree. Radical Muslims are made not born. America's might is not in doubt. Extremist elements have no expectations of actually beating. America taking a less aggressive, more diplomatic stance can help to slow the swelling of extremist ranks.

Not to mention better relations with countries will (hopefully) make them a lot more aggressive in fighting terrorist elements.

[Hereford]

I disagree. Radical Muslims are made not born. America's might is not in doubt. Extremist elements have no expectations of actually beating. America taking a less aggressive, more diplomatic stance can help to slow the swelling of extremist ranks.

Yes, because negotiation is always the way to go when dealing with murderers.

"Mr. Terrorist, if you promise not to kill those school girls today for the crime of being female and going to school, we won't bomb your house..."

[Al Doggity]

Yes, because negotiation is always the way to go when dealing with murderers.

"Mr. Terrorist, if you promise not to kill those school girls today for the crime of being female and going to school, we won't bomb your house..."

I think you misunderstood my post.
I'm not talking about negotiating with terrorists. I'm talking about not making it so easy to recruit terrorists from your run-of-the-mill Muslim population.

[shootfighter1]

I am all for diplomacy...that is one of the best things to come from Obama, a promise of diplomacy first and aggression as a last resort.  Perception is so important.  We need to be perceived as a nation that doesn't bully others but will not tolerate inappropriate aggression or atrocities.  To be both respected and feared.

I suppose the key is to try and reach younger muslims so they can try to change their own countries from the inside, to separate radical from peaceful muslims and force these countries to help deal with their own criminals.  One of the problems is that anti-American and anti-Jewish teachings run deep in more muslim teachings than many of us realize.  

Still, I think Obama could improve relations without praising their culture and religion, which has a lot of problems (even with non-radicals).  Some muslim leaders really do not want peace.  Not everyone in this world has the innate capacity for good.

[shootfighter1]

Something else that troubles many Westerners...muslims are very resistant to assimilation.  Much more resistant than past groups of immigrants.  Many seem to want to force us to respect their laws and force their traditions and customs upon us.  Imagine westerners went to the middle east and did that.  I'm also surprised we don't hear more criticizm of their treatment of women.

I think there would be a more positive perception in the US of muslims if more blended better and wanted to be a part our our traditions and culture.  Many do not seem to be as open minded as other peoples.

[Al Doggity]

Something else that troubles many Westerners...muslims are very resistant to assimilation.  Much more resistant than past groups of immigrants.  Many seem to want to force us to respect their laws and force their traditions and customs upon us.  Imagine westerners went to the middle east and did that.  I'm also surprised we don't hear more criticizm of their treatment of women.

I think there would be a more positive perception in the US of muslims if more blended better and wanted to be a part our our traditions and culture.  Many do not seem to be as open minded as other peoples.

That's more of a problem overseas. It's not really a big problem in the US.

[tu_holmes]

I completely listened to this... I heard his statement... The context was simply that we have a large Muslim population in the US and do not prejudice against the religion what so ever.

Mons is right too... HH6's entire existence is due to a social program that you call the US military.

Yes, because negotiation is always the way to go when dealing with murderers.

"Mr. Terrorist, if you promise not to kill those school girls today for the crime of being female and going to school, we won't bomb your house..."

Worked for Reagan.

[Soul Crusher]

I completely listened to this... I heard his statement... The context was simply that we have a large Muslim population in the US and do not prejudice against the religion what so ever.

Mons is right too... HH6's entire existence is due to a social program that you call the US military.

Worked for Reagan.

You know what, so is yours.

Without the HH6 of the world, we would be a huge pinata. 

[tu_holmes]

You know what, so is yours.

Without the HH6 of the world, we would be a huge pinata. 

I won't disagree, but I'm not the one running around talking about the evil of social programs, am I?

[24KT]

Thats just another small example.  He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc.  He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been.  These are just the things I remember off hand.

Ya so?!!! What's your point? the last POTUS kissed a Saudi King on the lips for cripes sakes!

Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims.  Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S.  I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.

Get a clue people!!! It's called "DIPLOMACY"!!!
Maybe if your last POTUS had an ounce of it, you wouldn't be in this mess!

[IFBBwannaB]

Repairing some US relations throughout the world is a noble persuit but it seems Obama is going out of his way to appease and identify with muslim countries.

Are you implying that bowing down and being 2 inch from king of Saudi dick isn't good for the US? 

[Soul Crusher]

Ya so?!!! What's your point? the last POTUS kissed a Saudi King on the lips for cripes sakes!

Get a clue people!!! It's called "DIPLOMACY"!!!
Maybe if your last POTUS had an ounce of it, you wouldn't be in this mess!

That was an embarasing episode in American History and I blasted GWB for that disgrace.  no American should ever bow down to these tyrants.