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Only vegetables diet
« on: June 07, 2009, 05:33:51 AM »
Sometimes people tell me that to eat only vegetables is not healthy... What do you think? I think it's even more healthy because u get less toxins, hormons...

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 06:09:58 AM »
No way! you need to get nutrients from different food sources and what about protein? What is your goal, just to loose weight?

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 06:33:39 AM »
Sometimes people tell me that to eat only vegetables is not healthy... What do you think? I think it's even more healthy because u get less toxins, hormons...

That all depends on both the variety of vegetables you consume, as well as the quality of the vegetable itself.
Was it grown in nutrient rich soil, free from harmful chemicals and/or pesticides? You could survive on a vegetable only diet, ...but it would be very boring no? Before I'd go strictly vegetables, I'd consult a nutritionist, dietitician, or a herbalist, or some other health care professional to ensure that I included the right variety of vegetables to provide me the nutition I needed to be healthy.
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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 06:59:19 AM »
That all depends on both the variety of vegetables you consume, as well as the quality of the vegetable itself.
Was it grown in nutrient rich soil, free from harmful chemicals and/or pesticides? You could survive on a vegetable only diet, ...but it would be very boring no? Before I'd go strictly vegetables, I'd consult a nutritionist, dietitician, or a herbalist, or some other health care professional to ensure that I included the right variety of vegetables to provide me the nutition I needed to be healthy.

Right, I consult it with an univeristy teacher (nutrition) so often (family member). Also I use to read biochemical and nutrition books and articles...

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 07:01:04 AM »
No way! you need to get nutrients from different food sources and what about protein? What is your goal, just to loose weight?

I get protein from seaweed, legums, rice, nuts... I get  60-100g per day easily. I'm 72kg so it's enough, my goal is sport.

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 10:45:43 AM »
rice is not healthy. if you wants the most healthy diet possible stick to fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, and meat(but only grass fed meat or fish). keep all other foods out of the diet..

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2009, 12:25:19 PM »
rice is not healthy. if you wants the most healthy diet possible stick to fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, and meat(but only grass fed meat or fish). keep all other foods out of the diet..

Why isn't rice healthy? I think meat has unhealthy things like hormons, toxines...

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2009, 07:25:45 PM »
Why isn't rice healthy? I think meat has unhealthy things like hormons, toxines...
why would rice be HEALTHY? what doe sit provide to make it healthy?

lets think of what is HEALTHY to consume =

vitamins
minerals
phytonutrients
antioxidants
essential fatty acids
essential amino acids
fiber
water




those things are HEALTHY

now, what does rice have, out of those.... (what is it a GOOD[has a big amount of] source of ?)
vitamin ? no
mineral? no
phytonutirnet? no
antioxidant? no
essenftial fatty acid? no
essential amino acid? no
fiber? no
water? moderately






NOW what are UNHEALTHY things to consume?

any carbohydrate-dense food which cause the body to release significant amounts of insulin
foods which are overly acidic
trans-fats
saturated fats
chemicals, toxins, posions, foreign substances


which does rice include of unhealthy things?

any carbohydrate-dense food which cause the body to release significant amounts of insulin
foods which are overly acidic







see, not healthy food to eat at all. if looking for health, rice is not the food.





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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2009, 08:26:46 PM »
why would rice be HEALTHY? what doe sit provide to make it healthy?

lets think of what is HEALTHY to consume =

vitamins
minerals
phytonutrients
antioxidants
essential fatty acids
essential amino acids
fiber
water




those things are HEALTHY

now, what does rice have, out of those.... (what is it a GOOD[has a big amount of] source of ?)
vitamin ? no
mineral? no
phytonutirnet? no
antioxidant? no
essenftial fatty acid? no
essential amino acid? no
fiber? no
water? moderately






NOW what are UNHEALTHY things to consume?

any carbohydrate-dense food which cause the body to release significant amounts of insulin
foods which are overly acidic
trans-fats
saturated fats
chemicals, toxins, posions, foreign substances


which does rice include of unhealthy things?

any carbohydrate-dense food which cause the body to release significant amounts of insulin
foods which are overly acidic







see, not healthy food to eat at all. if looking for health, rice is not the food.






Good points, really good explanation... but plain rice has fiber, vitamins (B group...), has much slower insuline release than "white" rice, and provides aminos that, in combination with lentils, makes a very good aminograme. Of course, no "white" rice. Anyway I take it in very small amounts, boiled in combination with legums. Do you think that way is also wrong? Anyway I prefer much more potatoes as they are not acidic, or carrot or peas, better choices?

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2009, 08:40:21 PM »
About if meat is healthy or not... I saw a very good science program from Spain (serious, not "pseudo-science") where they talked about "photonic density" in food, and meat was a "photonic" disaster, similar to vegetables on advanced degradation... I'm sorry I haven't more concrete information, is more a Physical than Chemical line of study. When that food went inside the body, it's photonic density was afected directly related with the food quality... I'll try to find some info...

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2009, 08:49:30 PM »
Good points, really good explanation... but plain rice has fiber, vitamins (B group...), has much slower insuline release than "white" rice, and provides aminos that, in combination with lentils, makes a very good aminograme. Of course, no "white" rice. Anyway I take it in very small amounts, boiled in combination with legums. Do you think that way is also wrong? Anyway I prefer much more potatoes as they are not acidic, or carrot or peas, better choices?

carrots and peas are good healthy foods.

plain rice does have one or two grams of fiber per 30 grams of carbohydrate. that is not a good source of fiber. think of this... would one or two grams of protein for 15 grams of fat make a food a good source of protein? (think cheese)...   no....   a good source of fiber is something like a vegetable, which is MAINLY fiber..  

and plain rice does have a bit of b vitamins, but a small amount, and b-vitamin absorbtion is limited anyway. same as with fiber, just because a fod has a small amount of vitmain, doesnt make it a good source of vitmains. foods that are a good source of viatmin are vegetables and fruits...they are abundant in them.

 plain rice does have a few amino acids in it, but not a complete protein, and even if it was a complete protein...on or two or three grams of protein per 30 grams of carbohydrate.... not a good source of protien.

plain rice, with its one or two grams of fiber, and one or two grams of fat, technically is a bit lower on the glycemic load (less insulin) than white rice...but this effect is very small, and brown rice and white rice effect on insulin are very similar.


if you want to eat rice....white rice and brown rice are basically interchangeable... the difference is a few gram of fat, fiber, amino acid, small bit of b viatmin. as you outlined. but none of these adds any measurable effect to how it actually effects the body.



theres nothing horribly bad about eating rice, but if you want the MOST OPTIMAL diet for health...then you shouldnt include rice.



 

on a side note... i know your diet is low in protein...  you may consider a whey protein supplement. whey protein is very healthy, has a very positive effect on the immune system, antioxidant support (by way of glutiathone), provides some anti cancer support...etc. it is also the highest quality protein source known.

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2009, 08:59:48 PM »
About protein, I think 1-2g per kg is enough, I can get it easily from vegetables, it's 70-140g per day, do you think it's still low? I could choice any other vegan protein powder if not...

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2009, 09:03:14 PM »
About protein, I think 1-2g per kg is enough, I can get it easily from vegetables, it's 70-140g per day, do you think it's still low? I could choice any other vegan protein powder if not...
i wouldnt count protein from vegetables. 1-2 gram per kilogram is enough protein for healthy diet, but this is supposed to be grams of complete protein.

if your matching up vegetables to creat complete proteins, then that is okay too.

in order to use the protein for cell construction, repair, hormone synthesis, etc... there need to be a full range of amino acids, including sufficient amounts of all the EAA

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 05:41:56 PM »
why would rice be HEALTHY? what doe sit provide to make it healthy?

lets think of what is HEALTHY to consume =

vitamins
minerals
phytonutrients
antioxidants
essential fatty acids
essential amino acids
fiber
water




those things are HEALTHY

now, what does rice have, out of those.... (what is it a GOOD[has a big amount of] source of ?)
vitamin ? no
mineral? no
phytonutirnet? no
antioxidant? no
essenftial fatty acid? no
essential amino acid? no
fiber? no
water? moderately






NOW what are UNHEALTHY things to consume?

any carbohydrate-dense food which cause the body to release significant amounts of insulin
foods which are overly acidic
trans-fats
saturated fats
chemicals, toxins, posions, foreign substances


which does rice include of unhealthy things?

any carbohydrate-dense food which cause the body to release significant amounts of insulin
foods which are overly acidic







see, not healthy food to eat at all. if looking for health, rice is not the food.






Meat is very acidic...

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Re: Only vegetables diet
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2009, 01:09:50 PM »
Meat is very acidic...
good point!

however... a diet without some acidic foods, will be overly alkaline. there must be a balance between the two. most people only have the problem of eating too much acidic foods, but eating too many alkaline is a problem too. plus, meat has all the essential amino acids, can be a source of essential fatty acids too.  healthy food which balances ph.