The great training advice thread.

[Ursus]

Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.

Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.

Just my opinion here.

1. Cycle weights with progression

2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX

3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also

4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.

5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.

6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights -  getting better workout though and its easier to progress.

7. Use full and perfect ROM.

8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.

Flame away if you wish or add to it.

[Deicide]

Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.

Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.

Just my opinion here.

1. Cycle weights with progression

2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX

3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also

4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.

5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.

6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights -  getting better workout though and its easier to progress.

7. Use full and perfect ROM.

8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.

Flame away if you wish or add to it.

Isn't this individually based?

[Ursus]

In GENERAL. I do sets of 5 on standing press with a reasonable weight. But as high as 12 on DB after.

On the sets of 5 i do LOTS of sets in SHORT period of time

[mwbbuilder]

Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.

Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.

Just my opinion here.

1. Cycle weights with progression

You need to go back and "lernt" some more.

This means absolutely nothing. The weight you choose will be determined my your weak mind. What does that even mean anyway?

2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX

To a rookie, 1 hour and 15 minutes is considered "fast."

3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also

Your joints maybe. But real men should train heavier if they can handle it to maximize THEIR muscle building potential. 12 reps is a lot of reps in a set. You can lift much heavier doing fewer reps in a set.

By the way, "pumps" were sold to you by the supplement companies. They have nothing to do with the quality of a workout. You mean to tell me that you've never had a great workout without a pump?

4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.

5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.

6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights -  getting better workout though and its easier to progress.

Meaningless, non useful advice. What's bitch weight to one person is not the same to another.

7. Use full and perfect ROM.

Silly advice that all rookies believe. Do you ever notice the top pros do not use perfect form or full ROM?

Oh yeah, you rookies thinks it because of the DRUGS.

8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.

more non useful advice. If people have to use their own judgment of what work, the "bell curve" of the very good, average, and those who sucks will stay exactly the same. The average and those who suck CAN'T and should NOT use their own judgment.

Flame away if you wish or add to it.

Other that that, it's okay. I'll give you a C+

[Ursus]

Maybe they train different in your gym. However i found this is what works for me. An idiot would realise weights lifted is all relative. Appreciate imput though

[pumpster]

You need to go back and "lernt" some more.

This means absolutely nothing. The weight you choose will be determined my your weak mind. What does that even mean anyway?

To a rookie, 1 hour and 15 minutes is considered "fast."


Your joints maybe. But real men should train heavier if they can handle it to maximize THEIR muscle building potential. 12 reps is a lot of reps in a set. You can lift much heavier doing fewer reps in a set.

By the way, "pumps" were sold to you by the supplement companies. They have nothing to do with the quality of a workout. You mean to tell me that you've never had a great workout without a pump?

4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.

5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.


Meaningless, non useful advice. What's bitch weight to one person is not the same to another.

Silly advice that all rookies believe. Do you ever notice the top pros do not use perfect form or full ROM?

Oh yeah, you rookies thinks it because of the DRUGS.

more non useful advice. If people have to use their own judgment of what work, the "bell curve" of the very good, average, and those who sucks will stay exactly the same. The average and those who suck CAN'T and should NOT use their own judgment.

Other that that, it's okay. I'll give you a C+

Calm down, you can say it without obvious anger-management issues. I agree with most of what he said, except on the first point about cycling no idea what that is, and no, full ROM is one of those nice internet rumors that won't die. Sometimes partial ROM is not only more effective but a lot safer. Also 8-12 reps is good but sometimes going down to 4-6 reps or higher than 12 is a good way of upping the weight past a sticking point and/or shocking the system.

[Ursus]

To clarify on cycling weights

Me tring to press 300lbs for 4x8 is all well and good. However I could do that for 2 months and not get anywhere.

By starting at maybe 275lbs and adding 5lbs a week or so in 6 weeks I could get to 305lbs 4x8. It simply means building the weights up rather than blasting away to failure evryday.

[mwbbuilder]

Maybe they train different in your gym. However i found this is what works for me. An idiot would realise weights lifted is all relative. Appreciate imput though

It's sort of like telling someone they should "train hard." It's not useful advice because it has no clear cut meaning. You were trying to instruct people, weren't you?

[Ursus]

Just my experience.

[mwbbuilder]

Calm down, you can say it without obvious anger-management issues. I agree with most of what he said, except on the first point about cycling no idea what that is, and no, full ROM is one of those nice internet rumors that won't die. Sometimes partial ROM is not only more effective but a lot safer. Also 8-12 reps is good but sometimes going down to 4-6 reps or higher than 12 is a good way of upping the weight past a sticking point and/or shocking the system.

Wow! You can feel my emotional state of mind from the written word? You are good.

[Ursus]

Its actually easy to guage someons state of mind particularly in written form mate.

[Marty Champions]

terrible advice in this thread

all you need is optimal nurtient dense foods and keep your calories low

the most optimal nutrient dense foods

1 any dark greens
2 any fruit except banana and raisons
3 beer and dark greens during a workout, trust me on this one you keep keep calories low but energy and vitamins high especially the serum release of b-12 from the beer, always de-fat your liver with applecider vineager after everybeer

train as much as you can within a low calorie range. anyman should be able to train on less than 1500 calories, if he cant then he isnt getting enough vitamins and minerals in his diet from natural sources

[whataname]

Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.

Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.

Just my opinion here.

1. Cycle weights with progression

2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX

3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also

4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.

5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.

6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights -  getting better workout though and its easier to progress.

7. Use full and perfect ROM.

8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.

Flame away if you wish or add to it.

I hate this "what works for you" thing!!!
If you are not a perfectionist pro, who takes care of every little detail, you will never know whether 9 or 12 reps, or ON's whey over Muscletech's is better for you! So I think all these theories are unnecessary. Lifting weights regularly and eating lots of lean meat and rice will result in bigger muscles over years, that's it.

[garebear]

Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.

Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.

Just my opinion here.

1. Cycle weights with progression

2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX

3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also

4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.

5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.

6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights -  getting better workout though and its easier to progress.

7. Use full and perfect ROM.

8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.

Flame away if you wish or add to it.

Do you lift wieghts that long? Even with 25 minutes of running I am usually done in an hour.

Just curious.

[mwbbuilder]

Its actually easy to guage someons state of mind particularly in written form mate.

Do really believe that? You have never misinterpreted someone meaning in an email? No one has ever misinterpreted yours?

[Ursus]

Do really believe that? You have never misinterpreted someone meaning in an email? No one has ever misinterpreted yours?

Yes I do

FAO garebear...Yes i trained far too long too much rest etc. Trying to trim it down now

[jon cole]

here mine:

first of all "if you're over 6" you had to weight 350 lbs to overcome your leverage" Ed Coan.



1-deadlift heavy but once every two weeks.(5 reps)

2-bench 2 to 3 time a week.(2-7 reps), always stop your set one reps before the fail.

3-squat 2 time a week, once heavy (power style)2-5 reps, once light 5-10 reps(oly style), on the other week do deadlift instead of powerlifting squat. 

4-the only assistance you need is squat for squat, bbel row and shrugs for dead, incline/shull crusher and military press for bench.
start your cycle raw, just add a belt and knee band at the end of cycle.

5-high protein/low carb/mid fat.

6-sleep a lot.

7-take a multivit, creatine, whey, that's all.

8-powerlifting is not an excuse for being fat, being bald or listenning heavy metal all day long.

9-keep the faith.

10-leverage play an important role, so don't dream if you got shitty leverage.

 

[wavelength]

Looking at his pictures, he seems to know what to do to get huge

[žoklis]

Don`t do nothing standing if you have a tendency to varicose!

[no one]

eat.

train.

sleep.

repeat.

[pumpster]

I would also add that the idea that only compounds are essential for growth is BS, one of those BB/internet nursery rhymes that never stops. You want max. arm size you need curls and extensions plus "good" bodyweight gain.

Wow! You can feel my emotional state of mind from the written word? You are good.

Um, the hostility is blatant..

[pumpster]

Lifting weights regularly and eating lots of lean meat and rice will result in bigger muscles over years, that's it.

There's got to more planning, thought and structure than that even if the "if it works for you" adage is overused.

terrible advice in this thread

all you need is optimal nurtient dense foods and keep your calories low

the most optimal nutrient dense foods

1 any dark greens
2 any fruit except banana and raisons
3 beer and dark greens during a workout, trust me on this one you keep keep calories low but energy and vitamins high especially the serum release of b-12 from the beer, always de-fat your liver with applecider vineager after everybeer

train as much as you can within a low calorie range. anyman should be able to train on less than 1500 calories, if he cant then he isnt getting enough vitamins and minerals in his diet from natural sources

 

[elite_lifter]

"Ursus" is now an expert in exercise science.

[Ursus]

Notice my highly developed adams apple 

[Arthur Nus]

"Ursus" is now an expert in exercise science.

Each photograph from this Tourettes Syndrome victim was taken in a mental institution.

His poor parents cry every time he is on a posting spree.