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Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated


Kevin Vasquez, 4, joins his mother among the recently fired workers at a rally
in front of Overhill Farms in Vernon  Photo Credit: Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times


Overhill Farms, a major food-processing plant in the L.A. area, terminates more than 200 employees after an IRS audit finds that they had provided 'invalid or fraudulent' Social Security numbers.

By Patrick J. McDonnell
June 12, 2009

No immigration agents descended on Overhill Farms, a major food-processing plant in Vernon. No one was arrested or deported. There were no frantic scenes of desperate workers fleeing la migra through the gritty streets of the industrial suburb southeast of downtown Los Angeles.

For more than 200 Overhill workers, however, the effect was devastating: All lost steady jobs last month and now find themselves in a precarious employment market, without severance pay or medical insurance. It wasn't a hot tip or an undercover informant that helped seal their fates, but a computer check of Social Security numbers.

"A desktop raid" is how the workers' representative, John M. Grant, vice president of Local 770 of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, described the scenario.

Overhill, a $200-million-a-year company that provides frozen meals for clients such as American Airlines, Panda Express, Safeway and Jenny Craig, says it had no choice: An Internal Revenue Service audit found that 260 workers had provided "invalid or fraudulent" Social Security numbers. The government took no action against the workers. But Overhill did: All of the employees were fired May 31.

The dispute underscores some of the complex issues facing President Obama as he tries to make good on his pledge to overhaul the nation's "broken" immigration system. Like agriculture, the food-processing and preparation sectors rely heavily on immigrant labor, much of it illegal.

The White House has already scaled back the Bush administration's controversial practice of work-site raids. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has vowed to shift the emphasis to employers who hire illegal workers. Audits of employers' records are an essential tool in such cases.

But the Overhill case illustrates how desktop raids can ravage immigrant families, even without arrests and deportation. Employers facing stiff fines and potential prison terms for hiring illegal immigrants may decide to fire employees who have suspect paperwork.

"We killed ourselves on the assembly lines for years, many of us have injuries from repetitive motion," said Bohemia Agustiano, 38, a mother of four from Huntington Park. "Now we're worth nothing. We're out on the streets. This is unjust, no one should be treated this way."

Overhill says it gave the workers 30 days to correct the problem with the IRS and provide the company with verification, but none did so.

"This is not something the company planned to do, it's not something the company initiated and it's not something that benefited the company," said Alexander Auerbach, a spokesman for Overhill, which dismissed about a quarter of its 1,000-plus workforce. "Quite the contrary. We lost very good, very loyal employees."

Overhill, whose workforce is largely Latino, says it has no idea of the legal status of the fired employees. No one has formally accused them of being illegal immigrants. Still, the company argues that it risked potential criminal liability under tax and immigration laws if it continued to employ them after the IRS audit.

"Based on the advice of three different law firms, the company's belief was that it was legally compelled to terminate these employees," Auerbach said. Overhill has already rehired workers for most positions.

But the union says Overhill responded rashly. "I think the company acted hastily and unnecessarily," said Peter Schey, a Los Angeles lawyer who represented the union. "Legally, there was nothing that compelled these terminations."

Immigrant advocates who applaud the Obama administration's determination to shift the work-site enforcement focus to employers acknowledge that such an approach still leaves workers vulnerable to losing their jobs.

"At the end of the day, it's the employees or the undocumented workers who are still walking around with a bull's-eye on their backs," said Angela Kelley, vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, a Washington think tank.

"They either get directly caught up in a raid, or they get caught in a ricochet attack by an employer acting preemptively to let them go."

IRS officials declined to comment on the case, citing privacy concerns. Although the federal agency regularly alerts employers about workers with incorrect Social Security or tax identification numbers, it does not mandate that those employees be fired.

"We do not advise employers to fire or hire anybody," said Larry Wright, an IRS spokesman.

All of Overhill's dismissed factory hands were hired before the introduction of the Department of Homeland Security's so-called E-Verify system, which allows employers to confirm the legal working status of new hires electronically, verifying Social Security numbers and other data. The program was designed as a weapon against the vast trade in fraudulent and stolen Social Security numbers. Overhill is now using the system for new hires.

Six of the company's fired workers interviewed at a protest outside the Vernon plant last week insisted that their Social Security numbers were legitimate.

"My Social Security number was good all these years, why is it suddenly no good now?" asked Eva Macias, a 19-year veteran of Overhill Farms. "We left our youth in that plant."


The ousted workers held signs proclaiming that they were not "disposable." Passing truckers honked their horns in solidarity in a heavily industrialized zone where Latino immigrants constitute much of the labor force.
Employees in white laboratory coats and hairnets observed from the factory grounds during their breaks from the assembly line, where they fill trays of frozen food that are shipped to supermarkets and fast-food outlets.

One after another, the ex-workers lamented losing a steady job, even if it paid only $10 an hour, the average salary. All spoke of bleak prospects for finding alternative work in a shrinking economy.

Many have been in the United States for a decade or more and have U.S.-born children. They see no option of returning to Mexico and its enduring lack of opportunity and social mobility. They worry about missing rent payments, being unable to pay medical bills and having no money for food.

"I'm already a month behind on the rent," said Gabriel Cruz, 28, a father of two from Compton. "It's not an easy time to find work right now."

Overhill is a rare union shop in an overwhelmingly nonunion industry, but that hasn't made much difference for the fired workers. The plant's union has demanded that an independent arbitrator hear their case. But such a session can take months to arrange.

"We're talking here about hundreds of families that have been denied a gainful wage, denied medical care," said Grant, the union official. "This basically tears apart an entire community."


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-desktop-raid12-2009jun12,0,783064.story



I remember stating a while back that the E-Verify program could lead to many false positives that could potentially devastate people's lives. I also remember many conservatives protesting the Democrats hesitancy to back it. Wouldn't hindsight be better if it was forsight? Like the California economy hasn't been devastated enough?

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Immigration raid leaves damaging mark on Postville, Iowa
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2009, 02:52:14 AM »


Immigration raid leaves damaging mark on Postville, Iowa


Postville residents leave a food pantry with bags of food and supplies. Alex Garcia / Chicago Tribune

A year after the crackdown at a kosher meatpacking plant, the town is struggling with the bankrupt business, unemployment and high anxiety.

By Antonio Olivo
May 12, 2009

Reporting from Postville, Iowa — A hodgepodge crowd gathers here twice a week for handouts just steps from City Hall and an empty kosher deli.

Outside the local food pantry snakes a line of Guatemalans wearing court-ordered ankle monitors, imported workers from the Pacific island of Palau and unemployed town natives -- almost all there because of a dramatic raid that has left a deep mark in the way the U.S. views and deals with illegal immigration.

Since federal helicopters raced over cornfields on May 12, 2008, en route to arresting 389 illegal workers at a sprawling kosher meatpacking plant, what was a center of commerce in northeastern Iowa teeters toward collapse as the plant sputters in bankruptcy, its managers face prison time and the town fights to stay solvent.

Since the landmark raid, an economic squeeze has destroyed several businesses. Postville's population has shrunk by nearly half, to about 1,800 residents, and townsfolk say the resulting anxiety -- felt from the deli to the schoolyard -- has been relentless.

"It's like you're in an oven and there's no place to go and there's no timer to get you out," said former Mayor Robert Penrod, who, overwhelmed, resigned earlier this year.

The aftermath of the Postville raid has rippled across the country, rupturing the nation's kosher meat supply and setting back Midwest livestock farmers who supplied the plant. While advocates of stricter immigration laws argue that towns like Postville shouldn't be allowed to grow so dependent on illegal labor, critics see the raid as a symbol of greater problems with U.S. enforcement. And the fallout has helped spur changes in federal policy.

Last month, the Obama administration issued enforcement guidelines that place more emphasis on prosecuting employers rather than illegal workers. Then last week, in a ruling with clear echoes of the Postville raid, the U.S. Supreme Court required federal prosecutors to prove that someone using a fake ID knew it belonged to a real person before pursuing identity theft charges. Many of the Postville workers were charged with that crime, but they chose to leave the country instead of facing jail time.

"Postville is a stain on our judicial system," said David Leopold, a vice president of the Washington-based American Immigration Lawyers Assn., who argued that the plant workers were unfairly coerced and deprived of adequate legal protections.

In Postville, many resent being in the spotlight. Yet they are frustrated that more hasn't been done to offset the unanticipated damage.

When the meatpacking plant, Agriprocessors Inc., opened in the late 1980s, Orthodox Jews arrived to work as kosher butchers and envisioned a rural paradise for new synagogues and shuls. Migrants, mostly from Guatemala, began arriving in the 1990s -- creating an ethnic stew with natives of mostly Eastern European descent.

After the raid, the family-like community of high school football game gatherings and homey weekend meals inside cafes began to unravel.

Agriprocessors has gone into Chapter 11 bankruptcy and is up for sale with no apparent buyer. After the arrests, the plant recruited Somali refugees from Minneapolis, unemployed laborers from Detroit and then migrants from Palau, whose natives are allowed to work in the U.S. under a 1993 compact. Many of the latter stayed only briefly before leaving, unhappy with their jobs, officials said.

Meanwhile, dozens of Guatemalan women who were arrested and temporarily released by federal officials to care for their children remain in town with pending court cases but unable to work. Nearly all the arrested men were deported.

"We walk on the streets, and the Americans see us as criminals," said Maria Gomez, 31, at a Catholic church where she and others receive assistance, including help treating physical problems from their clunky ankle monitors.

Former City Councilman Aaron Goldsmith, an Orthodox rabbi, fumed over the damage. "We still haven't done anything about illegal immigration" in the state, he said. "All we've done is devastate northeastern Iowa."

Many Orthodox Jews also were severely affected by the raid, as businesses that fed off Agriprocessors closed and families moved away, Goldsmith said.

A state trial against the plant managers is set for August; and a federal trial, set for September, includes charges of bank fraud and 9,311 labor violations.

Roy Beck, head of the Washington-based NumbersUSA group that advocates for reducing immigration, argued that Postville invited its problems by relying so heavily on a plant many suspected was violating labor and immigration laws.

"The situation should have never gotten to that point," he said. "If you don't enforce the laws steadily, then when you suddenly enforce them, there is more collateral damage."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-postville-iowa12-2009may12,0,6761812.story



Looks like Overhill Farms may not have paid close enough attention to what occured in Iowa   :-\
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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 04:01:40 AM »
Illegal immigrants...period.  It will be tough now, but if we take care of the issue instead of ignoring it we will be better off in the future.


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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 04:24:17 AM »
Illegal immigrants...period.  It will be tough now, but if we take care of the issue instead of ignoring it we will be better off in the future.



The E-verify system is been demonstrated to be flawed, inaccurate, and resulting in false positives.

Overhill themselves have stated they have no idea about the legal status of those they fired.
What they've done is dismissed employees for no reason, and opened themselves up to potentially huge law suits.

I have a feeling that only when WASP employees start being flagged as illegals, and start losing their jobs, that people might consider the injustice taking place here, ...until then, there will be many who will be happy to label everyone "illegal" and callously wash their hands of any concern.
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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 04:30:23 AM »
Cry me a freaking river. 

Moshe wants these people so he can make more $$$$ plain and simple. 

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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 04:37:05 AM »
Cry me a freaking river. 

Moshe wants these people so he can make more $$$$ plain and simple. 

What are you refering to... the Overhill firings in LA, or the raid in Postville Iowa?
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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 04:41:59 AM »
What are you refering to... the Overhill firings in LA, or the raid in Postville Iowa?

Postville. 

I have ZERO sympathy for illegal aliens. 

Many are good people, but there are enough bad ones that more than overshadow the good ones. 

We just had a horrible crime in Brester NY where some illegal alien drunk killed a whole family.  Its horrible. 

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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 04:54:08 AM »
Postville. 

I have ZERO sympathy for illegal aliens. 

Many are good people, but there are enough bad ones that more than overshadow the good ones. 

We just had a horrible crime in Brester NY where some illegal alien drunk killed a whole family.  Its horrible. 

Do you have sympathy for economies that are devastated as a result of the loss of undocumented workers?

How about sympathy for documented workers and Native Americans who lose their jobs, end up living in ghost towns with little or no opportunity because of raids like Postville's.
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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 04:55:37 AM »
Do you have sympathy for economies that are devastated as a result of the loss of undocumented workers?

How about sympathy for documented workers and Native Americans who lose their jobs, end up living in ghost towns with little or no opportunity because of raids like Postville's.

Not at all, any economy built on tax fraud, identify theft, workers comp fraud, income tax fraud, etc does not deserve to prosper. 


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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 05:00:11 AM »
Not at all, any economy built on tax fraud, identify theft, workers comp fraud, income tax fraud, etc does not deserve to prosper. 


I'm not talking about tax fraud, identity theft, workers comp fraud, income tax fraud etc.,
I'm talking about people having the right to earn a living... to be gainfully employed.

You seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't have the number of the beast, he's not entitled to work.
One could easily argue that's no where near the concept of freedom. Are you saying people don't have the right to support themselves? Since when did you become a welfare advocate?
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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 05:04:30 AM »
I'm not talking about tax fraud, identity theft, workers comp fraud, income tax fraud etc.,
I'm talking about people having the right to earn a living... to be gainfully employed.

You seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't have the number of the beast, he's not entitled to work.
One could easily argue that's no where near the concept of freedom. Are you saying people don't have the right to support themselves? Since when did you become a welfare advocate?

No, everyone is not entitled to earn a living. If you take youself over to Mexico and try that platitude on them, you will find yourself in a jail cell.  We have laws to follow and they are there for a reason. 

These people need to go home where they are from. 

Most are hear on stolen SS #'s and the owners of these companies are destroying our overall economy by hiring these people all for their own personal gain.  They depress the wage base, income tax base, etc.

Jag, you have no clue what you are talking about.

If Moshe cant make money the legal way, its not my problem, he should not be in business in the first place.     

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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2009, 05:11:09 AM »
No, everyone is not entitled to earn a living. If you take youself over to Mexico and try that platitude on them, you will find yourself in a jail cell.  We have laws to follow and they are there for a reason. 

These people need to go home where they are from. 

Most are hear on stolen SS #'s and the owners of these companies are destroying our overall economy by hiring these people all for their own personal gain.  They depress the wage base, income tax base, etc.

Jag, you have no clue what you are talking about.

If Moshe cant make money the legal way, its not my problem, he should not be in business in the first place.     

I love it!!!    333386 is now an advocate for higher wages, and more income taxes.  ;D
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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2009, 05:23:50 AM »
I love it!!!    333386 is now an advocate for higher wages, and more income taxes.  ;D

Fool.  Income taxes would be lower if we did not have to spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on these people in the form of prisons, welfare, etc.

BTW - most of these jobs used to go to college kids, high school kids, and others looking for temp work. 

What normal thinking parent would ever want their H.S. kid working a job amongst these people???

 

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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2009, 01:11:53 PM »
Fool.  Income taxes would be lower if we did not have to spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on these people in the form of prisons, welfare, etc.

BTW - most of these jobs used to go to college kids, high school kids, and others looking for temp work. 

What normal thinking parent would ever want their H.S. kid working a job amongst these people???
 

Hopefully not very many. Ya right, ...just what you want... a temp worker preparing your food, ...someone with no experience in food safety, food handling, and or food prep. That's just dandy... til the next outbreak.

These were full time employees that were dismissed. Some with as much as 20 yrs with the company.
What kind of company fires employees with 20 years under their belts for being illegals, ...when they don't even know if they are illegal to begin with? Besides, I would think most parents would want their high school kids in school, ...not working on an assembly line full time.

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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2009, 01:22:19 PM »
It is a company's responsibility to make sure their workers have legal status in this country.  If legal immigrants were fired then they are free to bring a collective lawsuit against the company.  Let our system work as it was designed.

I completely agree with our government investigating cases of undocumented workers and assessing appropriate penalties to the companies and the illegals.  We must enforce our laws and must get better control of our illegal immigration problem.

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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2009, 01:22:59 PM »
Hopefully not very many. Ya right, ...just what you want... a temp worker preparing your food, ...someone with no experience in food safety, food handling, and or food prep. That's just dandy... til the next outbreak.

These were full time employees that were dismissed. Some with as much as 20 yrs with the company.
What kind of company fires employees with 20 years under their belts for being illegals, ...when they don't even know if they are illegal to begin with? Besides, I would think most parents would want their high school kids in school, ...not working on an assembly line full time.



They would want them in school, that's nice. Until they swamp the school and eat up resources like it's going out of business b/c they refuse to learn English and assimilate. Crime and drugs follow and all of this money is spent to combat it but those that are illegal don't even pay the taxes necessary to do these things.

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Re: Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2009, 02:03:00 PM »
I opened this thread expecting  bad news...but wow, what a pleasant surprise!!