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Senate Excludes E-Verify Check on Illegal Immigrant Workers from Stimulus Package (Call, email!)
Hispanic Business ^ | 2-10-09 | Richard Kaplan

Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:38:32 PM by STARWISE

The Senate passed today a $838 billion stimulus plan that did not include E-Verify, a mechanism to check whether workers are legal immigrants or U.S. citizens.

While Senate Democrats blocked the E-Verify amendment from being voted on, the House has voted 417-2 in favor of including the worker identity checking program in its version of the stimulus package.

The fight over E-Verify, or Basic Pilot, now moves to the House-Senate conference where the differences between the two economic recovery packages will be hammered out in negotiations.

Proponents and opponents of the E-Verify measure have targeted the legislative negotiations as a key battleground over the issue.

Proponents of E-Verify say the measure is necessary to prevent newly created jobs from going to undocumented immigrant worker in the United States.

The House bill prohibits any stimulus funding from going to a company or government office that fails to use the E-Verify identity checking system. This online electronic database checks whether a person is authorized to work in the United States.

A number of groups including the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Human Resource Initiative for a Legal Workforce, opposed the insertion of an E-Verify Measure into the bill.

The Hispanic Caucus sent a letter on Jan. 26 to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi arguing against the measure.

The caucus wrote that E-Verify would "disproportionately affect Hispanic workers and their employers . We urge you to ensure this provision is stripped from legislation."

The caucus argued that the database used to confirm the worker's status "has been widely documented as unreliable and inaccurate." They said that mistakes in the database could "result in 3.6 million workers a year being misidentified" as not authorized for employment.

In addition, "Foreign-born American citizens are 30 times more likely than native born workers to be incorrectly identified as ineligible for work."

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce too has consistently opposed a mandatory E-Verify program.

In a press release, the chamber stated that "Given the current economy, now is not the time to add more bureaucracy and billions of dollars in compliance costs to America's businesses."

Randy Johnson, the chamber's vice president on immigrant and labor issues, said, "The Chamber supports legislative initiatives to develop and implement an electronic verification system, but first we must be sure that the system is effective, efficient, and manageable under real-world conditions."

In contrast, Federation for American Immigration Reform strongly argued for including E-Verify in the final bill. Dan Stein, FAIR's president yesterday wrote: "With millions losing jobs, it would be immoral for Senate leaders to neglect vital protections for U.S. workers."

He added, "When spending nearly one trillion dollars of taxpayers' money to reinvigorate the economy, the American people expect programs such as E-Verify be not only included but made mandatory."



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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 10:40:54 AM »
So illegals should be allowed to get benefits they are not entitled to, because they might be exposed as being illegal criminals under the new system.

Wow.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 10:42:26 AM »
Illegals shouldn't get shit.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 01:18:53 PM »
Illegals shouldn't get shit.

Call your lovely Senators and thank them for the great job they did. 

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 02:10:41 PM »
Call your lovely Senators and thank them for the great job they did. 

When was the last time anyone did a good job keeping illegals out?

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 02:20:28 PM »
this is some slap bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
what the fuck man. this fuckin sucks donky dick

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 02:48:21 PM »
"While Senate Democrats blocked the E-Verify amendment from being voted on, the House has voted 417-2 in favor of including the worker identity checking program in its version of the stimulus package"

I only have two things to say:

1.Fuck the "Senate Democrats".
2.Fuck the 2 at the house that voted against it.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 02:49:52 PM »
"While Senate Democrats blocked the E-Verify amendment from being voted on, the House has voted 417-2 in favor of including the worker identity checking program in its version of the stimulus package"

I only have two things to say:

1.Fuck the "Senate Democrats".
2.Fuck the 2 at the house that voted against it.

yeah, thats fucked up

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 02:53:49 PM »
yeah, thats fucked up


I seriously can't understand how these people can actually do such a thing.
Someone should make a list of who were the fuckers that voted against it and remind everyone what these people when it's time to vote them in again.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 02:57:55 PM »

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 02:59:26 PM »
When was the last time anyone did a good job keeping illegals out?

Not the point.  The senate stinks.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 04:05:47 PM »
You guys don't seem to understand or want to believe that the Central and South American who have been "BROUGHT " to america were done so in order to bring the wages of american down and to make labor cheap and readily available in america.  I hope none of you are so dumb as to believe that these people actually crossed the border and walked all the way to Maine, Washington state, Montana, New York, Chicago etc etc. 99.9 percent of them DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH yet they can navigate themselves around so easily????...hmmmmmm. There was a plan to do this and now you see it in all of its fullness. The financial collapse is orchestrated as well...all that we are seeing and the lame excuse being given to justify the massive layoffs, factory closings, business failures WERE NOT CAUSED BY A FEW HOME OWNERS WHO SUPPOSEDLY COULD NOT PAY THEIR MORTGAGE. This is a orchestrated event in order for america to wiggle its way out of the massive debt it owes the world. America is about to print over two trillion dollars and dump it into the economy, which will probably cause the Chinese to dump their two trillion of america dollars as well as cause the Saudis to dump their five trillion...this is on top of the almost 800 BILLION the feds are about to dump into the economy as a stimulus which is in addition to the 700 BILLION already being dumped...IN SHORT THE VALUE OF THE AMERICAN DOLLAR WILL BE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS...Just like the crash of the German Mark, the Hungarian and Polish money...american dollar is next. With the dollar worthless it is easy to then give to other nations worthless "PAPER" that has a value stamped on it of 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, or more TRILLION DOLLARS...and then say...DEBT PAID!!!!. None the less this will spark the IRE of many nations and I suspect that many "ALLY" nations will attack america and put its existence to an end. In the mean time the game is being played with the masses of trying to keep order, with stimuluses, paying immigrants and giving them health benefits (whether they are legal or not) and making things seem OK right until the ball drops on the masses....
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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 04:08:34 PM »
The left wants them for votes.

The "country club" right wants them for cheap labor. 

The taxpayers and American Citizens get screwed, as usual.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 05:13:29 PM »
The left wants them for votes.

The "country club" right wants them for cheap labor. 

The taxpayers and American Citizens get screwed, as usual.

BOOM!!

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 06:05:56 PM »
You guys don't seem to understand or want to believe that the Central and South American who have been "BROUGHT " to america were done so in order to bring the wages of american down and to make labor cheap and readily available in america.  I hope none of you are so dumb as to believe that these people actually crossed the border and walked all the way to Maine, Washington state, Montana, New York, Chicago etc etc. 99.9 percent of them DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH yet they can navigate themselves around so easily????...hmmmmmm. There was a plan to do this and now you see it in all of its fullness. The financial collapse is orchestrated as well...all that we are seeing and the lame excuse being given to justify the massive layoffs, factory closings, business failures WERE NOT CAUSED BY A FEW HOME OWNERS WHO SUPPOSEDLY COULD NOT PAY THEIR MORTGAGE. This is a orchestrated event in order for america to wiggle its way out of the massive debt it owes the world. America is about to print over two trillion dollars and dump it into the economy, which will probably cause the Chinese to dump their two trillion of america dollars as well as cause the Saudis to dump their five trillion...this is on top of the almost 800 BILLION the feds are about to dump into the economy as a stimulus which is in addition to the 700 BILLION already being dumped...IN SHORT THE VALUE OF THE AMERICAN DOLLAR WILL BE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS...Just like the crash of the German Mark, the Hungarian and Polish money...american dollar is next. With the dollar worthless it is easy to then give to other nations worthless "PAPER" that has a value stamped on it of 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, or more TRILLION DOLLARS...and then say...DEBT PAID!!!!. None the less this will spark the IRE of many nations and I suspect that many "ALLY" nations will attack america and put its existence to an end. In the mean time the game is being played with the masses of trying to keep order, with stimuluses, paying immigrants and giving them health benefits (whether they are legal or not) and making things seem OK right until the ball drops on the masses....





This does seem to be the plan.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2009, 06:33:31 PM »
Senate Excludes E-Verify Check on Illegal Immigrant Workers from Stimulus Package (Call, email!)
Hispanic Business ^ | 2-10-09 | Richard Kaplan

Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:38:32 PM by STARWISE

The Senate passed today a $838 billion stimulus plan that did not include E-Verify, a mechanism to check whether workers are legal immigrants or U.S. citizens.

While Senate Democrats blocked the E-Verify amendment from being voted on, the House has voted 417-2 in favor of including the worker identity checking program in its version of the stimulus package.

The fight over E-Verify, or Basic Pilot, now moves to the House-Senate conference where the differences between the two economic recovery packages will be hammered out in negotiations.

Proponents and opponents of the E-Verify measure have targeted the legislative negotiations as a key battleground over the issue.

Proponents of E-Verify say the measure is necessary to prevent newly created jobs from going to undocumented immigrant worker in the United States.

The House bill prohibits any stimulus funding from going to a company or government office that fails to use the E-Verify identity checking system. This online electronic database checks whether a person is authorized to work in the United States.

A number of groups including the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Human Resource Initiative for a Legal Workforce, opposed the insertion of an E-Verify Measure into the bill.

The Hispanic Caucus sent a letter on Jan. 26 to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi arguing against the measure.

The caucus wrote that E-Verify would "disproportionately affect Hispanic workers and their employers . We urge you to ensure this provision is stripped from legislation."

The caucus argued that the database used to confirm the worker's status "has been widely documented as unreliable and inaccurate." They said that mistakes in the database could "result in 3.6 million workers a year being misidentified" as not authorized for employment.

In addition, "Foreign-born American citizens are 30 times more likely than native born workers to be incorrectly identified as ineligible for work."

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce too has consistently opposed a mandatory E-Verify program.

In a press release, the chamber stated that "Given the current economy, now is not the time to add more bureaucracy and billions of dollars in compliance costs to America's businesses."

Randy Johnson, the chamber's vice president on immigrant and labor issues, said, "The Chamber supports legislative initiatives to develop and implement an electronic verification system, but first we must be sure that the system is effective, efficient, and manageable under real-world conditions."

In contrast, Federation for American Immigration Reform strongly argued for including E-Verify in the final bill. Dan Stein, FAIR's president yesterday wrote: "With millions losing jobs, it would be immoral for Senate leaders to neglect vital protections for U.S. workers."

He added, "When spending nearly one trillion dollars of taxpayers' money to reinvigorate the economy, the American people expect programs such as E-Verify be not only included but made mandatory."


Wow, ...am I the only one that saw the above highlighted text, ...or did others see it, but chose not to comment?

The idea behind this stimulus package is to stimulate the economy.

If one is going to undertake such a massive undertaking, those tweaks, bugs, and glitches had better be out of the system. How would you like to be a fully LEGAL American, laid off with a mortgage, wife, kids, and mouths to feed, ...about to lose your home, only to have some bureaucratic pencil pusher tell you you are ineligible for employment anywhere because some little computer screen says so. If they couldn't get the NO-FLY list right including 5 yr olds who weren't even born on 911 on the NO-FLY list, do you think they are going to be able to keep this straight? How would you like to be one among those 3.6 million other innocent workers inappropriately precluded from working ...anywhere. How good are you at holding a sign saying "Will work for food"?  Because a tiny little data entry could be all that stands between you having to do that. I can't tell you how many times people spell my name incorrectly. If some data entry operator is having a dyslexic day while entering your SSN, you could be a very unhappy camper.

For all of those who are screaming they shouldn't get diddly squat... would you turn away their business?

If you sold homes for instance, and an illegal alien from Switzerland flew in after dipping into his bank account, wanting to buy a $5 million dollar home cash. Would you say screw you I'm not selling it to you? ...Illegals have no business stimulating the American economy?

If your child was choking and needed an emergency trachiotomy to save his life, ...would you allow Pedro, the surgeon from Argentina to save his life. I have a friend named Miguel who is an airline pilot. What if you were on an plane and it was just like the scene from Airplane, and the entire flight crew, captain, pilot, co-pilot etc, are all sick from bad fish. There's a storm and they can't use the automatic pilot, ...and Sully Sullenberg is on the ground in Hawaii enjoying a much deserved R & R with his loved ones. Would you allow my friend Miguel from Mexico, a passenger on the flight, but also major airline pilot for years to take over the plane, ...or would you say "Screw him, ...he's not American, and this airline is getting stimulus money"  ??? In that life or death situation... what would you do?

The left wants them for votes.

The "country club" right wants them for cheap labor. 

The taxpayers and American Citizens get screwed, as usual.


"The left wants them for votes, the "country club" right wants them for cheap labor and the tax payers and American citizens get screwed as usual"  ??? Hmmmm... why does that not seem quite accurate to me?

Could it be that I noticed you made a distinction within the right. There's a country club right, ...but no members of the left belong to country clubs? Is that what you're implying? Are you implying that neither the left nor the "country club" right pay taxes, ...or that they are not American citizens? Because from my perspective the taxpayers and American citizens are one and the same... along with the left and the right, country club or otherwise. Or are you simply looking for a way to segregate yourself from the hypocrisy you witness from all sides of the political spectrum?

Perhaps a more accurate way of putting it is that many American citizens are willing to exploit illegal aliens as a demographic block, while others exploit them to do overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated jobs that many Americans will not do, which they do in the most horrific conditions and environments, many Americans are content to have aliens contribute to the creation of prosperous times, while they feel they're on the way up, ...but as soon as the economy slows down, ...they're ready to toss them out with the trash disregarding whatever value they've been bringing to the table, or will continue to bring. It's amazing how quickly people's perspectives change. One day someone is a valueable much needed asset, ...a bargain in fact... but the minute the economy turns... this asset is considered a burden? {sigh}  Oh well, ...one can only hope that one day people will realize everyone is in the same boat with everyone else. The boat is either going to sink or float, but to navigate through the tight areas and the choppy rapids, you're going to need all hands on deck bailing water as fast as they can, and all oars in the water rowing the boat to shore.

It's the bottom of the 9th, two out, you're up at bat, the count is 3 balls, 2 strikes. The pitcher releases from the mound, ...are you going to tell me that you'd use that moment to check the imprint on the bat to ensure it was made in Louisville? ...or are you just gonna swing the darn thing? When you're up a creek with only one paddle, ...don't bother to see whether it was "Made in America, Made in Mexico, or Made in China" before you make use of it, ...just row the boat to shore!  Sheesh
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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2009, 07:16:44 PM »
We spend more on illegals than they put it, deport them immediately.  No illegal should get Medicare, Medical, Soc Security, etc because they are not citizens.  Period.  Maybe we should all flood into other countries and suck them dry all the while sending our money back to the US.  When will people grow some balls with regards to illegals?

Seriously, just shoot them trying to come across the border.  They die on the Mexico side and the only thing you have to possibly worry about is negligent discharge of a firearm....MAYBE.
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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2009, 09:07:50 PM »
We spend more on illegals than they put it, deport them immediately.  No illegal should get Medicare, Medical, Soc Security, etc because they are not citizens.  Period.  Maybe we should all flood into other countries and suck them dry all the while sending our money back to the US.  When will people grow some balls with regards to illegals?

Seriously, just shoot them trying to come across the border.  They die on the Mexico side and the only thing you have to possibly worry about is negligent discharge of a firearm....MAYBE.


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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 10:55:27 PM »
Jag you seem way to generous with other countries money....

Also, giving money to illegals isn't the solution, improving the system so none will be mistakenly identified is, but I guess it doesn't matter when the money isn't yours ah?  ::)

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 05:30:39 AM »
People with ID, driver's license or who have managed to learn fucking english wouldn't be mistaken as illegals.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 10:00:10 AM »
If people want to be here legally and work, then perhaps they would put into the system as much as they drain out.

Theres no excuse to support illegals coming in and lowering our wage base so that poverty continues to exist.

We need to lock all the borders and put our energy into our own country for awhile.......but no....Globalization will not let that happen.

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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2009, 10:01:04 AM »
Jag you seem way to generous with other countries money....

Also, giving money to illegals isn't the solution, improving the system so none will be mistakenly identified is, but I guess it doesn't matter when the money isn't yours ah?  ::)

Absolutely improving the system is the answer.

What I'm saying is the system in it's current state is flawed and misidentifies legal americans as illegals.
Therefore it would be a mistake to include it. You don't feed a tumour, you excise it.
It will cause too many problems, and cause too much of a bottle neck to sort things out.
A bottle neck is not what is need at this time, but a steady cash flow.

Fix it before you even consider implementing it, otherwise you'll create more problems than you solve.

We saw a similar fiasco here in Ontario in the early 90's when they tried to implement a stimulus.
They incentived businesses to hire more employees, but they didn't work the kinks out.
As a result, many of these businesses that otherwise couldn't afford to take on new hires did.
When the government didn't come through, it resulted in a nightmare. Employees found themselves not getting paid, and therefore unable to show up to work, which played havoc with many businesses, while others businesses were forced to allocate much needed resources towards meeting payrolls. The end result was more business failures than otherwise would have occurred.
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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2009, 10:06:10 AM »
People with ID, driver's license or who have managed to learn fucking english wouldn't be mistaken as illegals.

Like the little blond haired, blue eyed 5 yr old California boy who was on the NO FLY list as a suspected terrorist.  :P

{giggle} What am I thinking? The government would never screw up or make mistakes ...EVER.  ::)

You noticed I didn't mention anything at all about screwing up the list of eligible voters.  :P
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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2009, 10:10:49 AM »
If people want to be here legally and work, then perhaps they would put into the system as much as they drain out.

That's the point I'm making. The people are already here, and do contribute to the economy.


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Theres no excuse to support illegals coming in and lowering our wage base so that poverty continues to exist.

That's not what I'm advocating. I'm sorry if I gave that impression.
 
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We need to lock all the borders and put our energy into our own country for awhile.......but no....Globalization will not let that happen.

You got that right. Too late to close the barn door. The horses have already gotten out.
Economies are too intertwined to disentangle them now without causing even far greater damage ... at this time.
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Re: Senate refuses to bar illegal aliens from getting $$$ under Stimulus Bill
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2009, 10:14:59 AM »
No prob, jag.   The thread is titled "Illegal aliens"   so thats more of a hardline for me than legals that actually work. ;)