Other overlooked factors that go into success in bbing...

[Deicide]

Very good points and all true.  Hard training takes lots out of you along with day to day responsibilties so you also have to rest enough.  Not a lot of running around all the time, your life must be fairly routine.

Tell that to MCWAY...

THG approved

[MCWAY]

Very good points and all true.  Hard training takes lots out of you along with day to day responsibilties so you also have to rest enough.  Not a lot of running around all the time, your life must be fairly routine.

"Structured" would be a better term to use. That's how the legendary Bill Pearl did it. From articles about him, Pearl woke up as early as 3 a.m. to get his training out of the way, leaving him the rest of the day to run his gym and take care of his family.

As for Deicide's claims being "all true", I refer you again to the Vilma Caez example: a bodybuilding champion, who was a single mom of three, working one full-time and two part-time jobs. That's hardly the example of minimal stresses, especially with at least one child being a teenager.

Tell that to MCWAY...

THG approved

I already know that. No one said it was easy. As I just mentioned, you MUST have a structured life, to get it done. That's how Lee Haney won eight Olympias, with a wife and two kids to feed. That's how Bill Pearl did it, with a wife and children for whom he had to provide.

Same goes for Lee "Super Duck" Banks, a top NPC amateur, with a family to feed and three day care centers to run.

The claim was that you can't have a social life and be a successful bodybuilder, which is utterly ridiculous. You can have one; but, it takes a BACK SEAT to your family and your bodybuilding goals.

[kiwiol]

True, but not for all cases, Deicide. I made the best gains of my life in my life after I came to NZ. At one point, I was working full-time (45 hrs) on one job (night shift Mon - Fri), doing two 8 hr shifts in my second job (instructor / personal trainer) in the weekend while studying Molecular Biology at uni full-time (in the day time). I worked out more intensely than at any other stage in my life, cause lifting was a release from all the stress and what have you.

I think if you make the time for it, you can at least maintain your muscle mass over short periods of non-training through bodyweight exercises alone.

[Per Se]

Dead wrong on all three!!!

More often than not, the people who succeed in bodybuilding are those who overcome those factors, at least 1 and 2, that end up bodybuilding champions.

People in the military move around on a REGULAR BASIS. Yet, bodybuilding is filled with current/former military servicemen (i.e. retired Chief Petty Officer and 2006 North American Champion, Leo Ingram).

And, lest you forget, Ronnie Coleman won three of his Olympias (and several pro shows, prior to that), working as a FULL-TIME COP!

Another prime example is one I had on tape years ago, from MuscleSport USA. It was covering a 1996 show in the Northeastern region of the country. The overall women's winner was Vilma Caez (sp?). As the late Steve Stone was interviewing her, he asked if she had plenty of time to prepart for this show.

She laughingly said that she did not. She's a single mom of three, working one full-time job and two part-time jobs (hardly an example of minimal stress). Yet, she found a way to train for, diet, and WIN that particular show.

It appears to be that the only horrible genetics you have are between your ears, as you keep making up excuse after excuse after excuse as to why you can't achieve some of your personal physique goals.When you're done, blubbering about what you don't have and why you can't do this or that, and actually put some hustle and effort behind your diet and training regime, business will pick up.

Until then, you and "Team-Excuse-Making-Whine-Like-Babies" will continue to wallow in self-pity and lackluster results.

Great post.

[gh15]

I think are some things that aren't necessarily a given that people overlook:

1. a stable environment (not moving around all the time)
2. minimal stress (work doesn't drive you crazy, etc.)
3. a decent social life (friends and people who will get your back)

These things contribute to a better psychology which can have an effect on weight room productivity.

Team Horrible Genetics approved

actually if you knew a thing or 2 friend youd know that bodybuilders have absolutely no friends ,,,buddies yes,,friends now days very rare in bodybuilding,,its very competetive and every one lie to the other,,,, social life almost none existant,,you lucky if you find a good girl that keep up with yoru shit unless you been with her from before like jason

the stress thing is something that every bodybuilder react to diff chemically within their own body and it helps to have less stress ofcourse

stable enviroment is nto necassary as  long as you dont hold a serious job ,,,most fellas with serious job never sucess in bodybuilding AND NO COP IS NOT SERIOUS JOB ,,serious job is also not a mechanic that work few hours ,,serious job is bank manager....company ownder,,,engineer who work in this field ,,someone who needs to put lot of house and thought and energy into his work ,,,you will not find sucessful bodybuilders who are like that during their time in bodybuilding simply cuz its not possible to devote the time needed


lastly and most importantly and i want yoy to get it in your head

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN BODYBUILDING IS TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GOOD DEALER AND GOOD SUPPLIER OF HORMONES,,MANY FELLAS NOW DAYS THINK THEY ARE ON GEAR BUT THEY ARE NOT THEY ARE INSTED ON OIL,,,THERE IS REAL GEAR AROUND  BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET THAT GEAR AND FOR THAT IF AMERICANO YOU ARE...YOU NEED TO BE A FELLON OR BE A FELLON IN POTENTIAL ,,MOST SUCESSGUL BODYBUILDERS TAKE THE CHANCE TO DO IT AND DO IT THUS GET REAL GEAR,,

YOU CAN TRAIN FROM NOW TILL 2019 IT WILL NOT HELP IF YOUR HORMONES ARE NOT REAL ,,,YOU MAY THINK YOU HAVE REAL THING BUT TO ACTUALLY GET REAL THING YOU NEED TO BE AROUND AND KNOW THE RIGHT SUPPLIERS ,,,MANY AROUND ARE JUNK,,SOME ARE GOOD AND THEY WLL BE PROTECTED BY THE LIONS OF DUNGENS  FOR WHEN THEY GO DOWN THERE IS NO MORE BODYBUILDER AND NO MORE BODYBUILDING,,THATS WHY THEY WILL NEVER GO DOWN AND BE PROTECTED

MOST IMPORTANT THING IN BODYBUILINDG = LEGIT GEAR!

IF YOU PUT SOME EQ ON  THE TOP OF HAND AND IT DOES NOT SMELL LIKE YOU JUST BEEN TO THE DENTIST OR LIKE A PASTE YOU CAN CLEAN YOUR SHOE WITH ...GUESS WHAT MY FRIEND? YOU DONT HAVE LEGIT EQ...


the most sucesful bodybuilders are the ones who knows their drugs and their connections ,,have the hormone respond at phenominal level ,,and when it comes to the top of the top have good muscle shape

gh15 approved

[JimmyJam1974]

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN BODYBUILDING IS TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GOOD DEALER AND GOOD SUPPLIER OF HORMONES,,MANY FELLAS NOW DAYS THINK THEY ARE ON GEAR BUT THEY ARE NOT THEY ARE INSTED ON OIL,,,THERE IS REAL GEAR AROUND  BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET THAT GEAR AND FOR THAT IF AMERICANO YOU ARE...YOU NEED TO BE A FELLON OR BE A FELLON IN POTENTIAL ,,MOST SUCESSGUL BODYBUILDERS TAKE THE CHANCE TO DO IT AND DO IT THUS GET REAL GEAR,,

YOU CAN TRAIN FROM NOW TILL 2019 IT WILL NOT HELP IF YOUR HORMONES ARE NOT REAL ,,,YOU MAY THINK YOU HAVE REAL THING BUT TO ACTUALLY GET REAL THING YOU NEED TO BE AROUND AND KNOW THE RIGHT SUPPLIERS ,,,MANY AROUND ARE JUNK,,SOME ARE GOOD AND THEY WLL BE PROTECTED BY THE LIONS OF DUNGENS  FOR WHEN THEY GO DOWN THERE IS NO MORE BODYBUILDER AND NO MORE BODYBUILDING,,THATS WHY THEY WILL NEVER GO DOWN AND BE PROTECTED

MOST IMPORTANT THING IN BODYBUILINDG = LEGIT GEAR!


gh15 approved

QFT.

gh15 - who do you think would win in a fight between deicide and MCWAY?

[MCWAY]

actually if you knew a thing or 2 friend youd know that bodybuilders have absolutely no friends ,,,buddies yes,,friends now days very rare in bodybuilding,,its very competetive and every one lie to the other,,,, social life almost none existant,,you lucky if you find a good girl that keep up with yoru shit unless you been with her from before like jason

the stress thing is something that every bodybuilder react to diff chemically within their own body and it helps to have less stress ofcourse

stable enviroment is nto necassary as  long as you dont hold a serious job ,,,most fellas with serious job never sucess in bodybuilding AND NO COP IS NOT SERIOUS JOB ,,serious job is also not a mechanic that work few hours ,,serious job is bank manager....company ownder,,,engineer who work in this field ,,someone who needs to put lot of house and thought and energy into his work ,,,you will not find sucessful bodybuilders who are like that during their time in bodybuilding simply cuz its not possible to devote the time needed


lastly and most importantly and i want yoy to get it in your head

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN BODYBUILDING IS TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GOOD DEALER AND GOOD SUPPLIER OF HORMONES,,MANY FELLAS NOW DAYS THINK THEY ARE ON GEAR BUT THEY ARE NOT THEY ARE INSTED ON OIL,,,THERE IS REAL GEAR AROUND  BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET THAT GEAR AND FOR THAT IF AMERICANO YOU ARE...YOU NEED TO BE A FELLON OR BE A FELLON IN POTENTIAL ,,MOST SUCESSGUL BODYBUILDERS TAKE THE CHANCE TO DO IT AND DO IT THUS GET REAL GEAR,,

YOU CAN TRAIN FROM NOW TILL 2019 IT WILL NOT HELP IF YOUR HORMONES ARE NOT REAL ,,,YOU MAY THINK YOU HAVE REAL THING BUT TO ACTUALLY GET REAL THING YOU NEED TO BE AROUND AND KNOW THE RIGHT SUPPLIERS ,,,MANY AROUND ARE JUNK,,SOME ARE GOOD AND THEY WLL BE PROTECTED BY THE LIONS OF DUNGENS  FOR WHEN THEY GO DOWN THERE IS NO MORE BODYBUILDER AND NO MORE BODYBUILDING,,THATS WHY THEY WILL NEVER GO DOWN AND BE PROTECTED

MOST IMPORTANT THING IN BODYBUILINDG = LEGIT GEAR!

IF YOU PUT SOME EQ ON  THE TOP OF HAND AND IT DOES NOT SMELL LIKE YOU JUST BEEN TO THE DENTIST OR LIKE A PASTE YOU CAN CLEAN YOUR SHOE WITH ...GUESS WHAT MY FRIEND? YOU DONT HAVE LEGIT EQ...


the most sucesful bodybuilders are the ones who knows their drugs and their connections ,,have the hormone respond at phenominal level ,,and when it comes to the top of the top have good muscle shape

gh15 approved

Just when you think Deicide has the market cornered on bufoonery (at least on this issue), along comes GH15.

Where do I start?

stable enviroment is nto necassary as  long as you dont hold a serious job ,,,most fellas with serious job never sucess in bodybuilding AND NO COP IS NOT SERIOUS JOB ,,serious job is also not a mechanic that work few hours ,,serious job is bank manager....company ownder,,,engineer who work in this field ,,someone who needs to put lot of house and thought and energy into his work ,,,you will not find sucessful bodybuilders who are like that during their time in bodybuilding simply cuz its not possible to devote the time needed

Ummm, tell that to "Super Duck". Or, better yet, there's a certain legend named LEE LABRADA, who has a master's degree in engineering. And, if I'm not mistaken, Nasser El Sonbaty was an engineer, as well.....NEXT!!!

And, there are plenty of others who fit the bill. But, of course, never let the facts stand in the way of Deicide feeling sorry for himself and GH15 (who can't make up his mind as to whether he's a male or female professional bodybuilder) posting utter foolishness, such as this.

[gh15]

really now mr mccowy,, and thomas has a master in english literature and work at apt complex.....and lee has a supp company he work with his name it ,,i dont see labrada building rockets for living,,,and never will..

it is all on paper ,,degress all that things very good but stil not serious career,, you cant be sucesful in bodybuilding if you are a serious professsional make a lot of money from a serious career period

the drugs are ofcourse a must and in high doses too but be careful friends ,,,dialasys machines are right aroudn the corner in every bodybuilding endevor you take as a top amatuer and professional always remember that and know your body!

gh15 approved

[MCWAY]

really now mr mccowy,, and thomas has a master in english literature and work at apt complex.....and lee has a supp company he work with his name it ,,i dont see labrada building rockets for living,,,and never will..

Of course not, genius, Labrada's degree is in CIVIL engineering, a degree he had LONG before he even started his supplement company (and that didn't occur, until after he retired).

it is all on paper ,,degress all that things very good but stil not serious career,, you cant be sucesful in bodybuilding if you are a serious professsional make a lot of money from a serious career period

Engineering isn't a serious career? Maybe if you keep quiet and actually learn how to spell (and punctuate a sentence), few will realize how utterly STUPID you sound.

[gh15]

mr mccowy again you are showing your compete and utter ignorance in anything you say ,,he nto any one else work in engeeniring ,,,having degrees means nothing if you dont USE THEM TO WORK IN IT AS CAREER,,he has supp company ,,

and engenneering is very serious career but you also need to work in it on regular basis ,,,and i know a thing or 2 about this field

gh15 approved

[saucetradomous]

Bob chicherillo sells egg whites and hosts radio shows in between winning masters events. true story

[MCWAY]

mr mccowy again you are showing your compete and utter ignorance in anything you say ,,he nto any one else work in engeeniring ,,,having degrees means nothing if you dont USE THEM TO WORK IN IT AS CAREER,,he has supp company ,,

and engenneering is very serious career but you also need to work in it on regular basis ,,,and i know a thing or 2 about this field

gh15 approved

Read this VERY SLOWLY, until it settles in the old grey matter. The man worked as a civil engineer (he has a masters degree in that field), meaning that, genius, he has worked in that field for several years.

He didn't start his supplement company, until after he RETIRED as a professional bodybuilder. That means he worked as an engineer LOOOOOOOONG before his company ever got off the ground.

A highly motivated individual, Labrada credits his desire to excel to his humble beginnings. He came to the United States with his family at the age of 2, after fleeing the Communist regime in his native Cuba. The family, which had been stripped of all of its possessions, settled in Chicago and had to completely rebuild their lives. Following his father's example, Labrada learned that through hard work and a strong vision, a person can achieve any dream imaginable. Today, Labrada continues this life philosophy and strives to pass it on to others.

Labrada has lived in Houston since 1980. He graduated from the University of Houston with a bachelor's degree in civil engineering. Prior to launching his fitness career, he worked as a civil engineer, designing high voltage transmission line structures.

http://www.bossonline.net/labrada.html

He was born in 1960 and won the Mr. Universe in 1985. That means he was a pro for at least TEN YEARS, before his supplement company ever started. Take a wild guess as to what his occupation was, prior to (and during) his pro career.

Got any more foolishness to spout?

[MCWAY]

For those who still think that being a top bodybuilder means no social life......

[gh15]

mccowy i have to make another 10 k so i cant argue with yo on internet for long but your knowledge of bodybuilding is zero,,your knowlegse of hands on bodybuilding is again zero ,,,having a family doesnt mean you have social life you moron ,,social life means having many friends and doing other things beside bodybuilding when you are supposly do comptetive bodybuilding,,,all of what you show is lee hainey with damily ...hey we were not meant to die alone and single you imbacile,,ofcourse we can find a wife that will take out shit

now last thing im going to write to you since you are very arrogant but not good arrogant as me you are what i call book arrogant its the type of individual that has no clue to what he is talking about when it comes to real life hands on ,,im not saying this to hurt you its just an onservation and you are this,,

the last thing im gonna say to you in this post regard is that LEE LABRADA DID NOT DO CIVIL ENGINEERING WHEN HE DID SERIOUS BODYBUILIDNG ,,,HE CHOSE BODYBUILDING OVER IT ,,,HE IS NOT WORKING IN CIVIL ENGEENERIGN NOW DAYS,,AND WHEN HE GOT TO SERIOSU COMEPTETIVE BODYBUILDING HIS ENGEENERING WAS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND

there are better examples of  fellas  that  did  half ass job such as cop or acting or mechanics or having supp stores but trust me on that ,,,the most sucesfull bodybuilder of all time is me and arnold ,,,arnold made it in the movie industry and politics and i made is in the hormone world,,we are very similar since our fortunes is high in comparison to other bodybuilders along the years ,,yes i have more than ron and jay combined and so is yoru hero arnold

*by the way just so its understood i dont know and i dont care if he was a civil engeneer practicing it,,the point im making is that in today bodybuilding not lee labrada 170-180 pound physiqe but today body no one absolutely no one in this competetive day and age hold a serious career while doing this ,,,and do not give me reno from this board as example,,im talkin about my levels of competition,,lee labrada was one in a million as a bodybuilder in times when bodybuilding was still half ass normal,,so is lee haney by the way but even he did not take engeneering as a serious careeer for he does nto do it now days ...a good  civil engeener will do much more than lee labradsa does from his shakes be sure of that ,,the competition in the supp industry is very high to najke a dime in

thats it im done arguing with you  mr skip lacour number one fan 

dsimised

gh15 aqpproved

[MCWAY]

mccowy i have to make another 10 k so i cant argue with yo on internet for long but your knowledge of bodybuilding is zero,,your knowlegse of hands on bodybuilding is again zero ,,,having a family doesnt mean you have social life you moron ,,social life means having many friends and doing other things beside bodybuilding when you are supposly do comptetive bodybuilding,,,all of what you show is lee hainey with damily ...hey we were not meant to die alone and single you imbacile,,ofcourse we can find a wife that will take out shit

You post this and have the gall to call someone a moron. I don't know where you got this dumb idea or definition of a "social life", but it's tanamount to the usual garbage you tend to omit from your posts.

now last thing im going to write to you since you are very arrogant but not good arrogant as me you are what i call book arrogant its the type of individual that has no clue to what he is talking about when it comes to real life hands on ,,im not saying this to hurt you its just an onservation and you are this,,

the last thing im gonna say to you in this post regard is that LEE LABRADA DID NOT DO CIVIL ENGINEERING WHEN HE DID SERIOUS BODYBUILIDNG ,,,HE CHOSE BODYBUILDING OVER IT ,,,HE IS NOT WORKING IN CIVIL ENGEENERIGN NOW DAYS,,AND WHEN HE GOT TO SERIOSU COMEPTETIVE BODYBUILDING HIS ENGEENERING WAS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND

Says who. First, you claimed that his supplement company was proof that he wasn't really an engineer, even though he didn't start it, until AFTER HE RETIRED. Now you come up with this pathetic drivel.

there are better examples of  fellas  that  did  half ass job such as cop or acting or mechanics or having supp stores but trust me on that ,,,the most sucesfull bodybuilder of all time is me and arnold ,,,arnold made it in the movie industry and politics and i made is in the hormone world,,we are very similar since our fortunes is high in comparison to other bodybuilders along the years ,,yes i have more than ron and jay combined and so is yoru hero arnold

More stupidity on your end. Arnold didn't make in the movie industry, until the tail end of his bodybuilding career. Prior to that, he did odd jobs, ranging from babysitting to construction work.

Get a clue and get your facts straight....for once.

*by the way just so its understood i dont know and i dont care if he was a civil engeneer practicing it,,the point im making is that in today bodybuilding not lee labrada 170-180 pound physiqe but today body no one absolutely no one in this competetive day and age hold a serious career while doing this ,,,and do not give me reno from this board as example,,im talkin about my levels of competition,,lee labrada was one in a million as a bodybuilder in times when bodybuilding was still half ass normal,,so is lee haney by the way but even he did not take engeneering as a serious careeer for he does nto do it now days ...a good  civil engeener will do much more than lee labradsa does from his shakes be sure of that ,,the competition in the supp industry is very high to najke a dime in

thats it im done arguing with you  mr skip lacour number one fan 

dsimised

gh15 aqpproved

You're done, because virtually all of your gibberish has been shown to be just that. You claimed that Labrada was not an engineer. Now that I've shown that he was, you cower and quibble like a scared 3rd grader, making up excuses with all the strength of wet tissue.

Furthermore, genius, neither I nor anyone else here claimed that Lee HANEY was an engineer. Just when I think you can't sound any dopier, you set the bar for rock-headededness yet higher.

[gh15]

i dismissed you because youre wasting my time mccowy nto for any other reason ,,i answer every question request and wondering and pondering from all members including you! so dont come up with this balonnie thats first ,,

now this is absolut final dimiss im giving you and i write it because again when i think you can atleast understand real word talk and read between the words..you come with stupid last comment about lee haney as engineer,,,it was meant for lee labrada not haney you already know how i write and why i write this way so stop trying to get a rise out of me friend this is not the way to get me to talk to you and answer questions ,,

again i 1005 sure that lee labrada was not workin in civil engenniering ever same as thoimas prince never did english literature ,,,its all on paper friend,,in reality they both were chasing the dream that we all are,,,you dotn get to the top by holding other serious career get it?

ok

now i hope you undertsna dbetter and if not ....then it wont help me explaning agai ,,im sure my pupils here can explain you exactly what gh15 means if you ask them nicely if you have problem in the brain because if you were as smartie as you sound while you devide yoru answers to paragraphs you would also have the ability to read gh15 and understand it after 5 years

dismissed for good now

gh15 approved

[Deicide]

For those who still think that being a top bodybuilder means no social life......

Haney, the hormonised, pious Christian....

THG approved

[Deicide]

True, but not for all cases, Deicide. I made the best gains of my life in my life after I came to NZ. At one point, I was working full-time (45 hrs) on one job (night shift Mon - Fri), doing two 8 hr shifts in my second job (instructor / personal trainer) in the weekend while studying Molecular Biology at uni full-time (in the day time). I worked out more intensely than at any other stage in my life, cause lifting was a release from all the stress and what have you.

I think if you make the time for it, you can at least maintain your muscle mass over short periods of non-training through bodyweight exercises alone.

You have superior recovery genetics. The fact that you are productive on 2 hours of training proves this.

THG approved

[kiwiol]

You have superior recovery genetics. The fact that you are productive on 2 hours of training proves this.

THG approved

And hence my saying, "but not for all cases". BTW, it's 3 hours a session and 7 sessions spread over 2 weeks (3 one week and 4 the next).

[Deicide]

And hence my saying, "but not for all cases". BTW, it's 3 hours a session and 7 sessions spread over 2 weeks (3 one week and 4 the next).

What does it feel like to walk around in a genetically superior body?

THG approved

[kiwiol]

What does it feel like to walk around in a genetically superior body?

THG approved

Hard to say. I spend the majority of my time in bed

[Mobil]

to say ronnie had a full time job as a cop is laughable.. come to arlington and let the fellow arlington cops tell you of his "paid time to train" his frequent vacations to competitions.. this ultimatley led to his demise because of fellow cops didnt like his "special treatment" and therefore led to his moms house getting busted for a controlled delievery back in 2005 where he he got his stuff, but his mom signed for it. which made headlines on flexonline asap saying it was  a rumor.

[pellius]

actually if you knew a thing or 2 friend youd know that bodybuilders have absolutely no friends ,,,buddies yes,,friends now days very rare in bodybuilding,,

stable enviroment is nto necassary as  long as you dont hold a serious job ,,,most fellas with serious job never sucess in bodybuilding

MOST IMPORTANT THING IN BODYBUILINDG = LEGIT GEAR!

gh15 approved

Pure gold right here. How anybody can think this is a gimmick account is beyond me. Anybody seriously thinking about making a career out of bodybuilding in this day and age should memorize these words.

[Deicide]

Pure gold right here. How anybody can think this is a gimmick account is beyond me. Anybody seriously thinking about making a career out of bodybuilding in this day and age should memorize these words.

I treasure the words of gh15.

THG approved

[Figo]

More stupidity on your end. Arnold didn't make in the movie industry, until the tail end of his bodybuilding career. Prior to that, he did odd jobs, ranging from babysitting to construction work.

Do you honestly believe Arnold ever really worked a day in his life? All Weider bs, and propaganda.
Next, you gonna say he arrived in the US with only his clothes and a couple of dollars.