If Palin chooses to run in 2012...

[ToxicAvenger]

For your interest Carbon taxes have not cut emissions in Europe, people just pay more.

Bush wouldn't even sign the koyoto treaty...at least the man is TRYING to move in the right direction...

and the above study..i would like to know who funded that 

only way carbon taxes would not cut emissions is when people continue to burn the same amount of carbon at a higher price...well great...that extra $ could be sunk into other green programs

[a_joker10]

Bush wouldn't even sign the koyoto treaty...at least the man is TRYING to move in the right direction...

and the above study..i would like to know who funded that 

only way carbon taxes would not cut emissions is when people continue to burn the same amount of carbon at a higher price...well great...that extra $ could be sunk into other green programs

The study was directly from the EU based on actual country emissions.

If you want help to help the planet encourage your government to change emission regulations.

No other method is more effective. Because People will always pay more because they have no control of energy production.

[ToxicAvenger]

The study was directly from the EU based on actual country emissions.

look bottom line is...what obama is doing is a step...Bush just sat on his ass on the environment issue...


doing nothing is worse than doing something...

[Al Doggity]

I wouldn't use the term lots for some whites it was an issue.

Just like for some blacks it was an issue.

Its time to move past this racial crap.

For your interest Carbon taxes have not cut emissions in Europe, people just pay more.
http://www.eea.europa.eu/pressroom/newsreleases/2009-greenhouse-inventory-report
Falling emissions since 2005 have largely resulted from the lower use of fossil fuels (particularly oil and gas) in households and services — these sectors, not covered by the EU Emission Trading System (ETS), are among the largest sources of GHG emissions in the EU. Warmer weather and higher fuel prices were the primary causes for the drop in emissions in 2006–2007, with most of the decrease occurring in households — particularly in Germany.

Welcoming the reductions, Professor Jacqueline McGlade, EEA Executive Director, stressed that EU Member States need to take positive steps to sustain progress in coming years.

"The economic stimulus packages that Governments are currently adopting represent a crucial opportunity to address the climate crisis and the financial crisis simultaneously", Professor McGlade said. "A strong Copenhagen agreement later this year would drive forward investments vital to our future prosperity."

But the failure of the European emissions program had more to do with jingoism. Individual countries set their own limits and colluded with businesses to make sure their industries were healthier and more competitive than neighboring "rivals." A similar thing isn't likely to happen here, regardless of whether or not the plan will be effective.

[a_joker10]

look bottom line is...what obama is doing is a step...Bush just sat on his ass on the environment issue...


doing nothing is worse than doing something...

Actually sometimes doing nothing is better then something..

That's the biggest problem I see. Everyone wants action for actions sake.

One of the things I think that the US founding fathers got right was making sure any changes that happen are slow.

By the way Bush wanted to incorporate large scale Nuclear power across the US to Curb Greenhouse Gases this was turned down by the  congress and senate.
This would have done far more for Green house reductions than any carbon tax.

Oh well. He gets blamed for that too.

[Dos Equis]

Actually sometimes doing nothing is better then something..

That's the biggest problem I see. Everyone wants action for actions sake.

One of the things I think that the US founding fathers got right was making sure any changes that happen are slow.

Agree.

[ToxicAvenger]

Oh well. He gets blamed for that too.

newtons second law applies also to politix...

people didnt just one day wake up and hate him...


action...reaction

[MCWAY]

really..he did it during his presidency?

He did that beforehand.

didn't middle-class America get royally fucked during the bush era?  a pinch dosen't seem all that bad...besides...Obama didn't cause the problem...good ole bush did...Obama is trying to clean up the mess left by bush...if the repbs have better ideas....lets hear em

Obama didn't cause the problem; but he's making the problems EVEN WORSE. The GOP has put their ideas forth. But, when they don't mesh with the liberals' agenda, they get brushed off. A prime example is this healthcare thing. The GOP can't even buy any airtime during Obama's healthcare "informercial" nor will ABC give them time to response to Obama's presentation with a counteroffer of its own.

 Actions r judged by intentions...Bush's intentions were to help his dismal ratings...Obamas rating r already high...he might actually believe this might help people

And, his ratings, like those of Bush will DROP, if the American people deem his policies ineffective. Approval ratings have little worth on a president on the tail end of his second term. In fact, just a few days ago, Bill Maher (HARDLY A CONSERVATIVE, much less a fan of Bush) actually wished that Obama (in certain instances) would be more like Bush. That is, invoke the policies he believes that are right, REGARDLESS of approval ratings or popularity.

  well the country should thought about that before allowing trillions to be spent on a bullshit war...that $ has GOT TO BE REPLACED from somewhere...it dosen't grow on trees...its actually quite satysfying to me to see the people suffering the most right now r the ones that voted bush in 2ice!   political darwanism

That claim is utterly ridiculous. People from ALL political spectrums are suffering. The fact that you take some glee into thinking that people who didn't vote the way you thought they should are hurting is quite telling.

Plus, lest you forget, the Democrats (who been in the majority for the last 2-3 years) have a part to play in this as well, INCLUDING the Iraq War.

[ToxicAvenger]

The fact that you take some glee into thinking that people who didn't vote the way you thought they should are hurting is quite telling.

why shouldn't I....when dumbfucks suffer..darwanism wins 

Plus, lest you forget, the Democrats (who been in the majority for the last 2-3 years) have a part to play in this as well, INCLUDING the Iraq War

hell, it wasn't a democratic decision to let Osama Go and instead wage war on an innocent country..who ws our friend before...no WMDs = the whole thing ws bullshit....NO PROOF and hundreds of thousands of innocents died..and excuse me if sitting at 50,000 ft above iraq and dropping bombs by pushing a button juuust dosen't seem heroic and patrotic to me...all for what?  a mayybe?
the decision ws Bush's...and Osama as a DIRECT result is still alive...