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Author Topic: REAL backstage brawls/fights that have been heard down the grapevine...  (Read 37050 times)
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« on: June 19, 2009, 12:05:30 AM »

I was always intrigued by these..I  remember hearing a couple... there are a few famous ones (Brett Hart punching and spitting on McMachon) but I'm sure tons of lesser know ones exist..if anyone knows , please care to share

the other ones I've heard are Angle turning Lesnar into a pretzel when he got out of hand, and apparently Jericho fucked somebody up too that was apparently the big man at the time .... anyone know or remember any ?

other one I just read about was the character of Nailz beating the shit out of McMachon after a financial dispute in his office. This was apparently why he was let go by the Federation and many lawsuits ensued.

Oh and the Kane / Tim Sylvia thing has already been debunked as neither Kane or Tim Sylvia were in that city at the time of that bar brawl.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 06:00:53 AM »

Supposedly (I’ve never talked with anyone who could confirm these incidents)…

Jericho & Goldberg got into a scuffle backstage one night. It didn’t last long, though. Chris got Bill in a front face lock and poor Bill didn’t know what to do.

Curt Hennig & Brock Lesnar “got into it” on a flight. Not sure the severity of the “fight” as WWE later dismissed it as ribbing/horsing around.

**This one came from a former “WWF’er”**  Haku had a run in with a guy in a bar one night. Haku was chatting up some woman when a man came up and started hurling racial slurs and insulting the woman. With only his fingertips, Haku reached in the guy’s mouth and broke off his front teeth.

The backstage physical altercation between Bret & Shawn was a shoot.

The backstage fight between Bagwell & DDP was a work.

Andre once overturned a guy’s car outside of a bar. As usual, Andre was a bit tipsy himself.

HBK & Marty Jeanetty trashed a bar one night. That resulted in one of their terminations from the fed.

According to a Dynamite Kid interview, the British Bulldogs were placed in a Japanese jailhouse after beating the piss (for real) out of a young fan. The promotion, who encouraged the behavior, did great business after that. And the Bulldog's salary increased.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 08:08:14 AM »

Montague for wrestling moderator! where's karl anyway??

Supposedly (I’ve never talked with anyone who could confirm these incidents)…

Jericho & Goldberg got into a scuffle backstage one night. It didn’t last long, though. Chris got Bill in a front face lock and poor Bill didn’t know what to do.

Curt Hennig & Brock Lesnar “got into it” on a flight. Not sure the severity of the “fight” as WWE later dismissed it as ribbing/horsing around.

**This one came from a former “WWF’er”**  Haku had a run in with a guy in a bar one night. Haku was chatting up some woman when a man came up and started hurling racial slurs and insulting the woman. With only his fingertips, Haku reached in the guy’s mouth and broke off his front teeth.

The backstage physical altercation between Bret & Shawn was a shoot.

The backstage fight between Bagwell & DDP was a work.

Andre once overturned a guy’s car outside of a bar. As usual, Andre was a bit tipsy himself.

HBK & Marty Jeanetty trashed a bar one night. That resulted in one of their terminations from the fed.

According to a Dynamite Kid interview, the British Bulldogs were placed in a Japanese jailhouse after beating the piss (for real) out of a young fan. The promotion, who encouraged the behavior, did great business after that. And the Bulldog's salary increased.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 10:30:55 AM »

lol the famous urban myth list  Grin Grin Grin



290. Shawn Michaels vs. Ron & Don Harris, 1996
I think this happened right before the Syracuse incident. The Harris twins were on their way out of the WWF, and decided to shake a little fear into HBK in the locker room before they left. If they really wanted to scare Shawn, they should’ve threatened him with tapes of their matches in WCW in ’99. WINNER: WWF fans, who didn’t have to watch the Harris twins wrestle anymore. And the Canadians again.

291. Eddy Guerrero vs. Road Warrior Hawk
Heard about this one in passing while listening to “Wrestling Observer Live.” Dave and Bryan were discussing the Hawk-Savage incident and brought up this fight. I suspect it happened in Japan. Meltzer said, “How could anybody beat up Eddy Guerrero? He’s like the nicest guy.” WINNER: Hawk. But he's also a loser because he came off as such an arrogant bully. Well, he is.

292. Randy Savage vs. Road Warrior Hawk, 1996
Backstage at a New Japan show, words were exchanged between the two men (over what I'm not sure) but it ended up with a fight where Hawk hit Savage with a right hook and knocked him out. Heat obviously still existed between the two because they had another confrontation three years later in the United States backstage at a Kid Rock concert at the Sun Dome in Tampa, Fl. Hawk saw Savage coming in his direction so he put his hand out (probably just out of respect) but Savage immediately threw a sucker punch that staggered Hawk. Hawk's wife was then attacked by Savage's then girlfriend Stephanie Bellars (Gorgeous George) and another female leaving her badly beaten. Hawk claimed that he would take legal action against the two women for attacking his wife but not against Savage since fights amongst wrestlers are usually kept away from the law. However, no action was ever taken. WINNER: Whoever got to see this Jerry Springer-like free-for-all lucked out big-time. (thanks to Rob Harvey and TPPW.net)

293. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels, 1997
Tension had been brewing between these 2 for months. They had a shouting match in the locker room and Michaels just had to yell out, “What are you gonna do about it?” Bret punched him, they rolled on the floor, and Bret left with a clump of Shawn’s hair in his hand. WINNER: Shawn Michaels, for laying the foundation for the upcoming double-cross plot.

294. Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon in Montreal, 1997
What did Vince expect? After the infamous double-cross at Survivor Series, Vince approached Bret and got a handful of knuckles. A groggy Vince is seen walking out of the room in the movie, “Wrestling with Shadows.” WINNERS: A&E, some documentary filmmakers, Bret Hart, and bookers who plan to use this finish for centuries to come.

295. Nasty Boys vs. Ken Shamrock
This was quite a few years ago before Shamrock was a UFC star. They really roughed him up in a 2-on-1 hotel room brawl. I heard Ken was thrown right through the hotel room window! Rumor has it that a few years ago when Shamrock was in the WWF, Rock and Shamrock were walking thru an airport. One of the Nasty's was walking around and Shamrock spotted him. Story has it that Shamrock immediately went into the "zone" and Rock had to really calm him down, before all Hell broke loose WINNERS: Nasty Boys, although it wasn’t a fair fight. (thanks to Matt Mazany)

296. Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
During the Ultimate Warrior/Rick Rude program, Rude came back after the match & asked Warrior to "lighten up" a bit...Wariror got right in Rudes face & said, "I don't have to, cause I'm the Warrior." Rude knocked him silly with one punch & walked away. (thanks to "name withheld by request.") WINNERS: Rude, and anyone who hates Hellwig.

297. Scott Steiner vs. Diamond Dallas Page, 2001
It was due to Kimberly Page finding an illegal substance in a locker room, then telling management that it belonged to Tammy Sytch (Sunny). Management confronted Tammy and she flat out denied it and offered to take a piss test. She passed. Scott Steiner found out and chased Kimberly out of the building and she never appeared on TV again. DDP tried starting something at the next taping where Scott shooted on TV and that is what lead to the fight where DDP got his ass handed to him. (thanks to Dazraven) WINNER: Steiner. Duh.

298. Andre the Giant vs. Ernie Holmes, 1986
I guess Holmes got hot-headed backstage at a WWF taping. Andre muttered, “You know, you talk too much,” and Ernie never said a peep after that. According to two people in the van when it happened (it was a rehearsal for the Battle Royal at the 1986 Mania), Holmes was talking about how tough he was and Andre got tired of hearing about it. Holmes was ready to fight, but was talked out of it and nothing happened. I forget who told Holmes that it was probably a bad idea. WINNERS: Wrestling fans who hate football. (thanks to Dave Meltzer)

299. Andre the Giant vs. Akira Maeda, 1985
Major disaster. The mega-hyped match that turned into a near shoot because Andre wouldn't sell Maeda's offense. Maeda was getting a big head and Andre was told to embarrass him in the ring since everyone believed in the Andre myth. Maeda didn't know and Andre, even drunk, was powerful as hell, and started going for Maeda's eyes after no selling his submissions. When Maeda saw it was on, he reacted as only he could. The reason it wasn't stopped earlier was the idea was for Andre to kick Maeda's ass and they were waiting for it to happen. Maeda was kicking Andre's knee until it turned bright red and took him down rather easily a few times. He turned to Kantaro Hoshino and asked if he could finish him off and Hoshino shook his head "no." Maeda was pissed and threw a kick at the guard rail that was more brutal than any kick he threw at Andre. Maeda has been very unprofessional at certain points in his career and is a baby, but in this case, a guy twice his size started it with him and he was trying to protect himself, put some fear into Andre, and not hurt Andre all at the same time. Dick Murdoch, who believed in the myth of Andre, as did everyone at the time, came back and said that he thought Maeda was going to end Andre's career. WINNER: Certainly not the fans. (thanks to Dave Meltzer)

300. Lex Luger vs. Bruiser Brody, 1987
Brody was, despite his natural charisma and ability to get the fans going, a pain in the ass. Luger who was leaving the territory and refused to job on the way out, and not the other way around. Brody showed up hung over with razorblades(!) taped to his knuckles. He played around for a bit before no-selling everything Luger tried to do. Referee Bill Alfonso told Luger it was all a rib, but later on realized it wasn't and told Luger to go right for the ref bump. Luger did and scampered out of the cage immediately. Said to be hilarious. Right after it went down, Hiro Matsuda, who was the owner of the promotion, was running around the locker room, which had Ron Simmons and Dewey Forte, laughing about how football players think they are tough and they are all chickenshit next to a tough wrestler. (thanks to Dave Meltzer, "Jesus Christ" and HB2KBuzzsaw) WINNER: Brody.

301. Brian Pillman vs. Sid Vicious, 1991
Ahh, the original dying days of WCW. Sid said some words about a would-be feud with Pillman that never came about, and it led to a skirmish. Sid left and came back with the infamous squeegee. People who know Pillman say he’d kill Sid in a street fight, which is hard to believe but I believe it. WINNER: Pillman. Sid will never hear the end of this one.

302. Arn Anderson vs. Sid Vicious, 1993
Perhaps the most famous shoot brawl of all. Lots of versions of this story. Sid started going off on how Arn had never drawn money, and they had both been drinking. Words were exchanged and maybe a beer was thrown, but both went back to their hotel rooms. Sid later went to Arn’s room and blindsided him with an object, and started a pummeling an unconscious Arn. Arn woke up and the two really got into it. Scissors were involved and the entire hotel hallway was smeared with blood. 2 Cold Scorpio came to the rescue. Just a mess that embarrassed the company. WINNERS: 2 Cold Scorpio for saving Arn’s life, and Arn for defending himself against a huge monster and holding his own.

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302. Dynamite Kid vs. Davey Boy Smith, 1994
After years of pent up aggression between the two, which included Davey phoning up All Japan, telling them Dynamite had died in a car crash, just so he could try and ruin Dynamite's deal in Japan, Dynamite finally had a chance to do something, when Davey was booked on an independent show in Howe Bridge in 1994, just a few miles away from Kid's house. He arrived at the arena, where he found Davey's dad, and tipped over a table with pictures of Smith on it. He then taped his fists as he walked down the corridor to "knock fuck out of him". Davey had gotten word Dyno was coming, and locked his dressing room door. Davey had also phoned the police, and Dynamite was escorted from the building. WINNERS: No one. This family feud was out of control. (thanks to Hb2kbuzzsaw)

303. New Jack vs. Pitbull
Jack jumped him backstage over some comments Bull had made, I think. Jack was so unpopular that the guys let them fight because they knew Bull would hurt him. Not sure how this ended up. WINNERS: The locker room guys, who got to witness someone they dislike get roughed up.

304. Buff Bagwell vs. Shane "Hurricane" Helms, 2001
Buff Bagwell told Helm's he would never be a superstar because of his size and a few more words were said. Bagwell slapped Helms, but then Helms threw a frozen bottle of water at Bagwell, and punched him in the back of the head a few times, causing Bagwell's head to split open. This incident led to Bagwell's last moment on TV, where Bradshaw powerbombed him twice. After the first, Bagwell had said his neck was broken. Bradshaw called him a pussy and powerbombed him a second time. It was during a moment when all the WWF guys ran in on some of the WCW guys, and it was pretty well known that it was Bagwell's last WWF TV appearance. WINNER: Can Bagwell ever be a winner? He does win at being a loser. I actually went to college with a guy who went to Bagwell's high school. It was Spraberry High, which isn't a name you forget, and Ventura made fun of that name like crazy on WCW commentary at the time. (thanks to Doug Adams, Trevor, & Chris)

305. New Jack vs. Junkyard Dog Not sure about this one, but it’s pretty sad. Dog was older, got a good reaction from the ECW fans, and this was his last high-profile gig before passing away. May have been over a $500 loan from New Jack that Dog wouldn't pay back. WINNER: Nobody. Even if Jack got the better of this, he looked really bad in hindsight. (thanks to Chuck Richmond)

306. Tony Atlas vs. Paul Orndorff
Paul and Tony were in the car with Tommy Rich and Brian Blair on the road for GCW. Brian's driving with Tony riding shotgun. Paul's in the back seat right behind Tony. Rich is in the back, too. Tony reclines his seat way back to where it's crowding Paul. Paul asks him to sit up a little and Atlas shoots back at him, "you don't want none of this...blah, blah, blah...". Anyway, Atlas pushed the wrong guy too far. Paul told Brian to "pullover!" Tommy Rich got scared and tried to smooth things over. Blair finally pulled over at a truckstop between two semis. Paul and Tony got out and squared off. Orndorff kinda bearhugged tackled Tony and bit part of his ear off on the way down. Blood everywhere! Ear on the pavement. Tony's in shock. Fight over. Cops coming. They scrambled to their feet, picked up the ear, and went straight to the hospital to have it sewn back on. WINNER: Orndorff. (thanks to The Masked Man and wrestlingclassics.com)

307. Paul Orndorff vs. Big Van Vader
Vader cornered Paul in an office backstage at a WCW show and picked this fight, which he soundly lost. Paul knocked him right down and kicked him in the face repeatedly. Vader had showed up late for the Center Stage tapings and Orndorff started yelling at him to hurry up and do his promos. There had been previous heat between the two. Both got face to face and Orndorff begged Vader, who outweighed him by 200 pounds, to start something. Vader shoved him down with a palm blow and Orndorff came back fighting, flooring Vader and knocking him for a loop with a punch from his bad left arm. Orndorff proceeded to kick at Vader?s face with his sandals until all the wrestlers broke it up. Amazingly, everyone just left Vader on the floor in a fetal position and went back to doing their thing. If you didn’t think Paul was tough before this, you knew after this one. Also, as a sidenote, Vader has said in his shoot video that he declined to strike Orndorff back in fear of losing his job. Orndorff later said on Wrestling Observer Live that he attacked Vade from behind. (thanks to Asa Taylor, Tom Hogan, "Jesus Christ" and an unknown website where this info came from). WINNER: Orndorff. Does this guy ever lose a fight?

308. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Janetty Read about this in a Janetty interview. The two never did really get along. WINNER: Janetty, according to himself (I believe it).

309. Kevin Nash vs. Roddy Piper
On the very same night that Michaels and Hart were fighting backstage at Raw, Piper and Nash were doing some of the same at Nitro. After a match that ended up being a complete mess between Scott Hall & Nash against Piper & Ric Flair, Nash stormed backstage, booted Piper's dressing room door open and leveled Piper with a punch to the head before the pair were pulled apart by various backstage personnel. Nash went unpunished (which became the theme for WCW later) and nothing further came of the fight. WINNER: Nash, but he picked on someone half his size. (thanks to Rob Harvey and TPPW.net)

310. Eric Bischoff vs. Juventud Guerrera
Nothing physical, but they exchanged words at a recent WWA show. Juvi was in character and there is still bad blood between them. Juvi SHOULD be pissed after the way Bischoff made him take off the mask and buried him in WCW after having some incredible matches. WINNER: Anyone who theorized Juvi can’t act like a professional, because this situation proves him/her right.

311. Buddy Rogers vs. Some Loudmouth at a Restaurant
This happened when Rogers was well into his 60s, I believe. Not sure how it happened, but the loudmouth was several years younger, and it was over in 1 punch. WINNER: Rogers
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312. William Regal vs. Van Hammer
They were at DDP's Christmas party and Hammer was saying some naughty things about British and/or Mexican wrestlers. Regal got word and reportedly gave him a royal thrashing. Word has it he headbutted him 5 times over the punch bowl. Hammer stunk but I always dug his gimmick because I’m a metalhead. Still, Regal is a tough hombre. (thanks to several who wrote me on this one) WINNER: Regal. LOSER: Heavy metal fans.

313. Rickson Gracie vs. Yoji Anjoh
What an embarrassment. Anjoh goes down and challenges Gracie an impromptu shoot to prove he’s tough. Gracie drove to his gym, taping his fists on the way. Once there, he gave Anjoh the beating of a lifetime. What a career killer. WINNER: Gracie and all the pupils who got to witness this massacre.

314. Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle, 2001 Not really a fight, but a friendly challenge of who could take down whom. Not surprising who won, but it’s still impressive given the size of that Lesnar beast. WINNER: Angle.

315. New Jack vs. Junkyard Dog
Not sure about this one, but it’s pretty sad. Dog was older, got a good reaction from the ECW fans, and this was his last high-profile gig before passing away. May have been over a $500 loan from New Jack that Dog wouldn't pay back. WINNER: Nobody. Even if Jack got the better of this, he looked really bad in hindsight. (thanks to Chuck Richmond)

316. Riki Choshu vs. Akira Maeda, 1987
An unprofessional “shoot kick” to Choshu in a 6-man tag that obliterated his eye. Not cool, and what’s worse is that kick turned Maeda into a superstar for many years. WINNER: Maeda’s career.

317. HHH vs. Bill Goldberg, 1999 or 2000
Nothing physical, just Goldberg shouting at HHH at an autograph signing over some harsh words HHH had to say about Goldberg in an interview. Goldberg also said on ESPN that the wrestler he’d like to beat up in real life the most is HHH. If WWE signs Goldberg, expect the sparks to fly! WINNER: Goldberg. Only because HHH is such an ass.

318. Capt. Lou Albano vs. Shane McMahon, late 80s
Albano was one of the people Vince Sr. asked Vince Jr. to "take care of" after he died. So Lou apparently tested this one out one day. An 11-yr-old Shane would always walk up to Lou and say, "What's up, Fatman?" This would piss Lou off and give the boys around a chuckle. One day Shane went up to Lou and said once again, "What's up, Fatman?" Lou reportedly told Shane if he called him Fatman one more time, he'd forget who he was and slap the taste out of his mouth. Sure enough, little Shane said, "No problem....Fatman." Then little Shane got slapped a good one! (thanks to Matt Mazany). WINNER: Shane, who will soon be the new owner of WWFE for decades to come.

319. Buff Bagwell vs. Ernest Miller
Bagwell's parody leading up to Road Wild of Miller didn't go down too well. Right before the live PPV match, Miller approached him about it. Bagwell slapped him. Miller immediately responded with two punches, and Bagwell fell, cutting his elbow badly. Bagwell backed off before more damage could be done, and the match went ahead as planned. Bagwell won, and neither man was disciplined. WINNER: Miller. How many times you think he has bragged about this one? (thanks to HB2KBuzzsaw)

320. Eddie Gilbert vs. Jeff Gaylord, 1991 or 1992
Gilbert talks about this on that tape, "Looking for Mr. Gilbert." A promoter named Gordon Scorazzi (sp?) was mad at Gilbert for no-showing a show or something like that. The guy put a $1000 bounty on Gilbert's head and Gaylord sucker punched him in the dressing room of the Sportatorium after a TV taping. Eddie, Doug, Bruce Prichard and James Beard were in the office talking and Gaylord showed up asking to speak to Eddie. Eddie walked out of the room and there was a noise that told everyone something was up. Doug bolted out the door with Bruce and James behind him. Gaylord had sucker punched Eddie from behind, but before he could continue, Doug caught him in the head with a Coke bottle/can that was not entirely empty and Gaylord ran out holding his head. Eddie said he wished he'd known what Gaylord was up to, because he would have split the "hit money" with him (Gaylord) and turned it into an angle so both of them could make a little more money from it. But, Gaylord didn't see that side of it. WINNER: Gilbert. Someone with a last name like Gaylord has the advantage because he probably got in tons of fights as a kid. (thanks to James Beard & Robert Solari)

321. Rod Price vs. Chris Adams, early '90s
Rod's opponent yanked out his implanted hair, which caused quite a bit of blood loss. They always worked stiff with each other. Rod missed about 2 months work because of it. But, Chris apologized and that was all that happened concerning it...nothing physical. WINNER: Cy Sperling, who received a repeat customer at his hair loss clinic. (thanks to Chuck Richmond, James Beard, & Brandon Finch).

322. Road Warrior Hawk vs. some patron
An old news program reported on Hawk punching some guy in line at a movie theater, reportedly because the guy's brother had killed a Minneapolis (Hawk's hometown) cop earlier. WINNER: Hawk. LOSER: The unlucky recipient of Hawk's violent wrath. (thanks to Chuck Richmond)

323. Juventud Guerrera vs. Australia, 2000
Old Juvi Juice was reportedly tripping on ecstasy and went on a spree beating up cops (what cop can't handle a guy the size of Juvi?). He may have broken the ribs of a female cop. WINNER: Wrestling fans who have something to talk about. LOSERS: Wrestling fans embarrassed by a truly phenomenal wrestler. (thanks to Chuck Richmond and Lewis Feinman)

324. Messiah vs. ? & ?, 2002
Finally saw the "America's Most Wanted" piece. Two guys broke into Messiah's apartment and beat him down, cut off his thumb, and broke a fish tank over his head. The suspects are still at large. WINNER: Messiah, who got this case some national pub.

325. Jim Cornette vs. Ed Ferrara, 2002
A few months back, Ferrara went to shake Jim's hand, and Jim responded by spitting in his face! Yeah, go Jim! He told Ferrara "That was for JR." What a hero Cornette is. WINNER: All of us. (thanks to several, including Chuck Richmond)

326. Jim Cornette vs. Bruce Mitchell & Wade Keller, 1993ish
I remember this one crystal clear. Bruce and Wade had written negative articles on SMW based on the "riot" in Wise, VA. Cornette hated the story and left nasty voicemails on their machines, saying if he ever saw them, he'd "Slap 'em until they fought me." Apparently he once went after Bruce in the stands at a house show, but I've heard stories saying otherwise. Let's just say Jim was going through a lot of stress at this point in his life. WINNER: Me, because I can't stand Bruce. (thanks to Chuck Richmond)

327. New Jack vs. Sandman
Don't know the specifics but allegedly New Jack overheard Sandman telling some racial joke. Jack jumped him and Sandman kicked his ass. Don't know if that's true but the story has gone around more than once. (thanks to David Crawford)

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328. Big Bill Miller & Karl Gotch vs. Buddy Rogers
Rumors abound that the two broke the Nature Boy's arm, but what is certain is that they roughed him up real good. Hey, Rogers was hardly a shooter. (thanks to Tom Hogan)

329. Jacques Rougeau vs. Dynamite Kid
Dynamite was mistakenly accused by the Rougeaus of cutting their clothes with scissors (while notorious pranksters, the Bulldogs were innocent here....it was Curt Hennig who did it). In short, Dynamite punked out both Rougeaus for their false accusations. Two weeks later in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Jacques and Raymond Rougeau got their revenge as Jacques suckered Dynamite, knocking out four of his teeth. Dynamite got money from WWF agents to get the teeth fixed. When Vince McMahon sat down both sides to talk out the problem Dynamite suggested the Rougeaus pay the bill. Not knowing the agents paid for it, they unwillingly agreed to pay for the broken teeth. All that happened was that Dynamite Kid got an extra $1,800. Thus the real winner was Dynamite Kid, who got his teeth fixed and some extra money. (thanks to Tom Hogan and Nicholas Argirakis)

330. DDP vs. Firebreaker Chip
Chip was mad because he thought DDP tried to take advantage of him during a match. Ended when DDP hooked Chip in a front face lock, and had to be pulled off Chip. WINNER: DDP. And just where was Todd Champion in all of this? (thanks to Justin Newbould)

331. Big John Studd vs. Basil Devito Jr.
Studd, upset over the marketing of the football players over the wrestlers for WrestleMania 2, and showed up at Devito's hotel room (Devito was director of marketing for WWE, and I believe was laid off earlier this year). He yelled at him, picked him up, and slammed him against a wall. WINNER: Devito, who kept his job. (thanks to Justin Newbould and "WrestleMania: The Official Insider's Story")

332. Vince McMahon vs. Kurt Angle
Not really a fight, but yet another Angle skirmish. On an airplane, Vince jokingly reminded Angle that he was the only person to take him down. Angle decided to have a little fun, and promptly took Vince down in the aisle. For the rest of the flight, Vince would try to take Angle down at any opportunity he had. During one altercation, the noise woke up a sleeping Undertaker, who either not knowing who was wrestling with Vince, or not realizing that they were just messing around, grabbed Angle from behind, and choked him out. WINNER: Angle, who now has a good reason to kick Undertaker's ass if he ever decides to. (thanks to Justin Newbould and Kurt Angle's book)

333. ECW vs. XPW
XPW wrestlers showed up at an ECW event for publicity. The ECW guys, understandably, didn't like it. There may have been something involving Francine and a valet from XPW. Anyway, some ECW and XPW wrestlers started fighting, and the ECW guys got some help from security. The fights ended up going into the streets. WINNER: Heyman, because XPW will never be close to what ECW was. (thanks to Justin Newbould)

334. RVD vs. Taz
After a match involving RVD and Sabu wound up Taz, he went around the ECW locker room saying he was gonna kick RVD's ass, Sabu's ass, etc. Word got around to Van Dam, who went up to Taz, and said "Pick the hand." Taz replied, "What?" and RVD punched him in the mouth. Taz went on the defensive, saying he didn't want to fight him. (thanks to HB2kBuzzsaw)

335. New Jack vs. Dances with Dudley, 1995
New Jack talks about this in his shoot interview with R.F. Video. He said some rumor had started backstage that Jack was going to shoot on Dudley during the match, which apparently he had no plans of doing. During the match Jack hit Dudley with a stiff clothesline and apologized right after it happened... shortly after the match they went to the outside of the ring and Dudley tried to hit Jack with a still belly to belly on the cement floor, in which Jack had to hang on to something to prevent being lifted up. Then after the match backstage, New Jack jumped him. (thanks to Matthew Singh and Ron McCrae)

336. Scott Norton vs. Tony Halme, early 90's
Both were in a Japanese bar, when Halme flattened Norton for an unknown reason. Norton reportedly put up no resistance whatsoever and has since claimed he was drunk at the time of the incident. WINNER: Halme. Had Norton been sober, trust me he wouldn't have such an easy time. (thanks to Matthew Singh)

337. Sid Vicious vs. A Squirrel
Vicious had a squirrel he took with him everywhere. Two wrestlers (I'm pretty sure one of them was Arn Anderson) bet him he couldn't keep the squirrel down his pants for a whole minute. Vicious accepted the challenge and stuck it down his pants. After about 30 seconds the squirrel bit a very sensitive area, if you get my drift. Vicious fell down in pain and crushed the squirrel. He needed a rabies shot and stitches on his genitalia. WINNER: The squirrel, who is now a hero to all squirrels worldwide for flattening Sid. (thanks to "Jesus Christ")

338. Shane Douglas vs. Brian Lee vs. Tracy Smothers
During a Brian Lee vs Pitbull #2 match, they got a little out of control in the stands and Shane Douglas went to Todd Gordon and Paul E. and said they should be fired. Sandman and Tracy Smothers overheard this and Sandman told Lee about what Shane had said. Lee went over grabbed Shane by the throat and dragged him across the hall into the shower and put the fear of God into Shane before releasing him. Shane went running into the locker room and yelled, "Who stooged me out?" Before Sandman could answer, Tracy Smothers tackled Shane and start beating on him until they were separated. Turns out that a long while back Shane was living at Tracy Smothers house back in his younger days for free and Shane had recently said some unkind things about Tracey, who had a horrible temper. After it was all said and done Sandman told Shane that he stooged him out. (thanks to Dazraven)

339. Sandman vs. Shane Douglas vs. Bill Alfonso
It was the Triple Threat vs Sandman and 2 others, and Sandman had told the wrestlers earlier not to touch his cane when he dropped it for a spot later. Anyways during the spot where Sandman gets knocked out of the ring and the cane is in the middle of the ring, Shane picks up the cane, shakes his head in disgust and drops it right back to the same spot. Sandman was livid and after the match goes up to Shane in the locker room and gets right in his face and says, "Shane, if you ever touch my fucking cane again, I'm gonna beat the hell out of you." He then goes down the hall into another room and sits down next to Bill Alfonso. Sandman went on to say that even if Shane had picked up the cane and used it, he wouldn't have been mad, but to just stare at it pissed him off. So back to the story, Sandman is next to "Fonzie," and they hear Shane coming down the hall, Sandman is still seated and Shane gets closer cursing, when Bill Alfonso tackles Shane and starts hitting him. It gets broken up shortly after. (thanks to Dazraven)

340. Big Show vs. Ballz Mahoney
The next story involves Big Show when he was still training to be a wrestler at Larry Sharpe's Monster Factory, where Ballz was helping to train people. Giant showed up with some of his buddies and they stood around, while Giant was working some weights. Ballz came up the his buddies and asked them to leave because they were training. The men said, "Oh, well we're with Paul Wight and he said we could stay." Wrong thing to say to Ballz, who has a horrible temper and even told Vince McMahon to, "Go fuck himself" one time. Ballz got right in their faces and told them to get the hell out. Giant walked over and asked what was going on. They told him and he tried to calm the situation, but Ballz was pissed and got in Giant's face and challenged him. He told the Giant, "Sure you're 7ft tall, an 500pds, and you could probably kick my ass, but what happens if I kick your ass!" Giant simply sighed and took his friends and left. Ballz later admitted he was glad it went down that way, because Giant would have killed him. (thanks to Dazraven)

341. New Jack vs. Dances w/ Dudley
DW heard a rumor that New Jack was gonna shoot in the match and DW started shooting w/ Jack. The match was really stiff, but basically Jack was cheap-shotted and responded. They beat on each other until the match went outside where they called a truce until they got back to the locker room and jack hit him w/ the baton. (thanks to Dazraven)

342. Frank Gotch vs. George Hackenschmidt
For wrestling historians, this is one of the most famous matches in pro wrestling history. Sometime in 1911, Gotch had beaten Hackenschmidt three years earlier and was universally recognized as the world heavyweight champion and this was the first ever rematch of the century. Weeks before the match took place, a sparring partner of Hackenschmidt's by the name of Ad Santel had done some damage to his partner's knee in training. It later turned out that Santel was paid $5000 by the Gotch camp to do a number on it. A record breaking crowd was expected for the show so the promoters kept the injury quiet from the media (who actually cared about wrestling back then). Gotch obviously knew about the injury told Hackenschmidt, who wanted to pull out, that he would carry him to a credible match and give him one fall in the best-of-three falls. Once the match started though, Gotch double-crossed him and started to shoot quickly won two straight falls. (thanks to Rob Harvey & TPWW.net)

343. Ed Don George vs. Strangler Lewis
Promoter Billy Sandow (who basically worked with Lewis) worked closely with another promoter called Paul Bowser were making big bucks with a former football player called Gus Sonnenberg as the world champion. Sonnenberg, who supposedly couldn't wrestle a lick, was beaten up in the street by a middleweight wrestler in a set up organised by rival promoters. At this time, the heavyweight champion had to be looked as being the toughest man in the world because people still thought wrestling was real so Bowser then had Sonnenberg drop the world title to George, who was a great Olympic wrestler, without consulting Sandow or Lewis (who was meant to be next in line for the world title). George was then later booked in a match with Lewis where he was meant to win. However, it didn't quite go down like that because while they were in the ring, Lewis told George he was taking the belt and they could either do things the easy way (George doing the job) or the hard way (Lewis beating the living piss out of him and taking the belt). He took the easy way. (thanks to Rob Harvey & TPWW.net)

344. Strangler Lewis vs. Henri DeGlane
Three weeks after the Lewis vs. George match, Paul Bowser booked Lewis to defend the title in Montreal (sound familiar?) against the 1924 Olympic gold medalist. Lewis went into the ring knowing he was going to win the match by 2 falls to 1. Back in these days, wrestlers would return to the dressing rooms after each fall. After the second fall, DeGlane bit himself in the arm until he drew blood and then came out for the final fall with the arm covered. Within seconds of the third fall starting, DeGlane starting screaming like he'd been shot. Lewis then backed off not knowing what happened but the referee then saw the bite marks on DeGlane's arm and then DQ'd Lewis and awarded the belt to DeGlane. Lewis then went backstage to beat the shit out of Bowser but he had six bodyguards armed with baseball bats waiting for him. (thanks to Rob Harvey & TPWW.net)
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345. Wendi Richter vs. Spider Lady
November 25, 1985 at Madison Square Garden. Minutes before going to the ring to defend the WWF women'' title, Richter was given a contract by Vince McMahon which included a clause to sign away all her merchandise rights. Richter said she wanted to look at the contract after her match. McMahon then demanded she sign the contract but Richter stuck to her guns and said she would look at it after the match. However, Spider Lady wasn't the same lady who had played the character previously. It was Fabulous Moolah. During the match, Moolah rolled up an unsuspecting Richter and held her tight for the pin. Richter never worked for the WWF again. Moolah claims that she wasn't aware of the double-cross and she didn't expect the referee to count the three. Again, does it sound familiar? (thanks to Rob Harvey & TPWW.net)

346. Vince McMahon vs. Kevin "Nailz" Wacholz
Some of you older fans may remember Kevin Wacholz as Nailz, the former convict, in the WWF back in 1992. Story goes that Wacholz, who was in line for a program with the Ultimate Warrior before he left the company, was pissed at Vince McMahon because of his pay off from SummerSlam 1992 which was, and still is, the highest attendance ever for a WWF event. Wacholz confronted McMahon about the pay off and reportedly, McMahon blow it off which angered Wacholz more so he attacked McMahon and choked him until he was turning blue. Wacholz was fired because of that incident and aside from one pay-per-view appearance in WCW against Sting, he hasn't worked in the big time since. To add another chapter to this story, later at the Vince McMahon steroid trial, Wacholz gave evidence against Vince McMahon but he came off so badly on the stand (including continuously contradicting himself) that word is that his evidence probably was what kept Vince from doing time. WINNER: Nailz, for doing what so many others have dreamed of. (thanks to Rob Harvey & TPWW.net)

347. Rick Steiner vs. Corporal Cajun/Big Vito/Konnan
On three straight Nitro's prior the to sale of the WCW to WWFE, Rick Steiner took blatant liberties with all three men during singles match. Steiner, who has a reputation for being a tough guy, had no clear reason to shoot on these three men. For the record, all three of his opponents on these nights stayed professional and tried to work their parts in the match. Rumor has it that prior to the news that the WWF had bought the company, many people backstage were planning on running in during a Steiner match on the final Nitro to beat him down live on the show. Whether it would have happened or not we will ever know. WINNER: Steiner. I'm afraid to call him a loser. (thanks to Rob Harvey and TPPW.net)

348. New Jack vs. Brian Pillman
On June 1, 1996, Brian Pillman returned to the ECW Arena just week after breaking his foot in a Humvee accident. Pillman cut a promo in the ring where he made a reference to the NWA (the rap group, not the wrestling organization). To this day nobody expect New Jack is 100% on what he thought but it's believed that New Jack either misheard the comments or was misinformed by someone backstage but he went nuts backstage anyway talking about the infamous N-word. When Pillman came backstage, in his wheelchair mind you, both men got into a very heated confrontation where many believe New Jack would attack the crippled Pillman. To his credit, Pillman never backed down to anything. New Jack threatened to leave the company over the incident and Pillman never went back to work for ECW ever again. Days later, Pillman signed the first ever guaranteed contract issued by the World Wrestling Federation. (thanks to Rob Harvey and TPPW.net)

349. Andre the Giant vs. Ultimate Warrior
During their series of matches. They had a spot set up where warrior would charge Andre w/ a clothesline knocking the Giant back into the ropes to be tied up. Problem was, that Warrior would charge at Andre going at full speed. Now it didn't hurt Andre, but pissed him off royaly. When he was hit by the clothesline, Heenan would hear Andre grunt. This went on for a while, match after match, same thing. Warrior at full speed and Andre grunting. Finally Andre had enough. The spot came up and Warrior charged full speed at Andre, but the Giant simply held up his fist which connected and Warrior was knocked senseless. Next match, spot comes up, Warrior goes for the clothesline and basically goes in slow motion and connects with the clothesline. Andre gets tied up in the ropes and leans over to Bobby and says "He's learning." (thanks to Dazraven)

350. Curt Hennig vs. Brock Lesnar, 2002
Can't believe I forgot to list this one. On the "Plane flight from Hell" earlier this year on the European tour, Curt was loaded up on booze and challenged Brock to take him down. Brock, new to the industry, didn't know what to make of it. Heyman reportedly told him if he doesn't do anything about it now, he'll nevnever live it down. So Brock did take his ass down, and nearly burst a hole through the plane in the process. I'd love to have seen this one. Hennig lost his job over his behavior on this flight. WINNER: Lesnar. (thanks to Matt Phillips and Steve Vendeland)

351. Bill Watts vs. Scott Steiner In the early 90's, Bill Watts and Scott Steiner had been hating each other backstage. I believe Steiner began requesting title shots, and Bill Watts told him that he could have the TV title (which Steiner eventually would win). Scott apparently went ballistic on Watts (possibly due to roid rage as well), and a number of superstars had to pull him off. (thanks to Steve Vendeland)
351. Scott Steiner vs. DDP, Part 2
I think that Scott Steiner and DDP had another fight a week before Superbrawl 2001. This was a different fight, but DDP got his ass kicked, and Kevin Nash left with him afterwards, thus changing the format of the whole show. I remember Steiner said some trash about DDP and his wife in the ring. Backstage, the two got into a fight where DDP jumped Steiner, got beat up, and a bunch of wrestlers had to pull them apart. To make up for some time lost, Mike Sanders and the Natural Born Thrillers went to the ring and improved for a little bit on the stick. I'm not 100% sure when this was, but it must have been before early 2001/late 2000. That's all I can remember. (thanks to Steve Vendeland)

352. Kevin Nash vs. Jean Pierre Lafitte, 1995
Need more info on this one. Apparently Pierre didn't want to lose in when the WWF was touring Quebec, so Nash may have given him a beating. I think Kevin Nash referenced to that incident in late 2000. This was at a house show. (thanks to Steve Vendeland & Martin Filion)

353. Steve Austin vs. HHH, 1999
I remember hearing something at the Summer Slam '99' taping. After the main event witch included Mankind, HHH and Austin, Austin confronted HHH about the way he was hitting him with chairshots. I heard they got in a heated conversation but don't know if any fists were thrown. (thanks to Melissa Munoz)

354. Bill Goldberg vs. Evan Karagias, 2000
Before the 9/5/00 Nitro, Goldberg was backstage with Kevin Nash when Karagias walked up to shake Goldberg's hand. Bill was slow to acknowledge Karagias and apparently Evan took offense to it and said something to Goldberg. So, Bill grabbed him by the throat and pinned him on the floor, choking him out. Goldberg later tried to apologize but Evan refused, which made Goldberg angry again but nothing came of it. This was during the time period that Goldberg was going through major heat with Russo and obviously couldn't control his temper throughout the duration. On a side note, 3 Count was told by management they would go over Kronik to make up for the incident, but Kronik, when they heard this, again refused to sell for the smaller guys. Winner: Goldberg and anyone with a big man/bad management fetish. (thanks to Troy Anthony)

355. Steve Austin vs. Raven
Steve Austin once exchanged heated words in a locker room with Raven. Debra was cutting a promo near the showers backstage, when Raven came out wearing nothing but a towel. Austin confronted him, grabbing Raven and verbally laying into him, feeling that Raven was showing off in front of his wife. Raven claimed he didn't know Debra was there. The situation was quelled quickly, but wrestlers have said Austin was always over-protective of Debra. Austin later apologized. Winner: None, but is there any doubt that Austin would have whipped his ass? (thanks to Troy Anthony
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356. Sabu vs. a Fan
I also recall an incident when Sabu kicked the shit out on some fan for pulling off his turban while Sabu was walking to the ring. This happened in Japan, I have it on tape somewhere. Anyway, after the fan pulled off the turban, Sabu hopped the railing, chased him down, then knocked him out with a few punches and some wicked ass knees to the face! Afterwards Sabu continued to the ring and proceeded to wrestle Eddie Guerrero like nothing ever happened. (thanks to Troy Anthony)

357. Mike Awesome vs. a Fan, 2000
At Halloween Havoc 2000, Mike Awesome knocked a fan out with one punch during a crowd tour with Vampiro. The fan tried to jump in and give Awesome some clubs to the back when Awesome laid him the F out. (thanks to Troy Anthony)

358. Bill Johnson vs. Tony Galento
State police arrested Two-Ton Tony Galento, former heavyweight boxer, on an assault - and - battery charge. The charge was filed by Bill Johnson, a wrestling promoter in nearby McKeesport. Johnson said the Galento knocked out four of his teeth after a wrestling show in an altercation over a split of the proceeds. Johnson later dropped the charges when Galento agreed to pay him $250 for hospital bills. The 41 year old Orange, N.J. saloon keeper appeared on a wrestling card at McKeesport. (thanks to Bob and Associated Press)

359. Ric Flair vs. Eric Bischoff, 2003
On the night of a recent Raw taping, Bischoff and Raw exchanged a few words about their past in WCW. Words got heated up and it led to blows. The scuffle was quickly broken up, but while it lasted, Flair got the better of it. Suspiciously, WWE officials, Flair, and Bischoff have been extremely tight-lipped about this. WINNER: Flair, I guess. Go figure, the guy finally stands up for himself, about 15 years too late. (thanks to Scott Ryan Czasak & several others)

360. Chris Jericho vs. Bill Goldberg, 2003
Yet another recent incident at Raw. Goldberg mouthed off to Nash about Jericho, stemming from their real-life feud in WCW years back. Word got to Jericho what Goldberg said, and he confronted him about it. Seconds later, they were rolling around on the ground (violently, not lovingly, you jokesters). It was broken up before any punches really landed. Jericho was quite the hero for this, with Hurricane reportedly being his biggest mark. Don't these guys know their fights will be broken up right away? Knowing that, even I'd pick a fight with Goldberg just to look brave for 2 seconds. Both guys ended up shaking hands when it was over. WINNER: Neither, but this incident showed the Balls of Jericho. (thanks to Scott Ryan Czasak, Ronnie Pruitt, & many others)

361. Ric Flair vs. a Backstage Guy named Richard Fullerton
Ric said hello to Richard and Richard said Flair was too old to be wrestling, and that his wrestling has always stunk. So Flair attacked him and the two got in to a major punch up for about 3 minutes, until others broke it up. It was believed that Flair won the fight (thanks to Michael Gawith)

362. Kevin Nash & Scott Hall vs. a Bunch of Stupid, Drunk Kids, Spring Break Nitro, 1997
Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Syxx (Sean Waltman) were guests on stage as a part of MTV's annual spring break coverage. The three were there to punish losers of a talent contest I think and to build up the annual Panama City Nitro that Monday. Anyway a drunk guy in the crowd was causing trouble and threw something at the stage. The NWO guys asked security to get a grip on the rowdy crowd, but were blown off. When the guy threw something else the NWO guys astonished their MTV hosts by leaping off the stage, grabbing the guy themselves, and turning him over to security. They then threatened to walk out if security didn't get the crowd under better control. MTV usually shows the footage annually as a "wildest ever moment" while building up spring break coverage. (thanks to Tamalie, wrestlingclassics.com, & the Meatball)

363. Great Sasuke vs. Dirtbike Kid, 1999
It was in July of 1999, in the Michinoku Pro promotion. They were having a "Mask Tournament" where all the competitors were, well, wearing masks. One of the first matches was all-time-asshole (and owner of M-Pro) Great Sasuke vs. the Dirtbike Kid. The match starts out normally, and a minute or so in Dirtbike Kid is hitting all the offense. After taking a few moves, Sasuke starts to become a little lethargic, not no-selling stuff, but kind of half-assing it. Anyway, something Dirtbike did must have pissed him off or maybe he just wanted a sandwich or something, because about 2 minutes in he stops taking offense and starts kicking the hell out of Dirtbike in the legs and in the torso. I've read some reports that Sasuke may have cracked the dude's ribs. Then after kicking the snot out of him for a bit, he picks the Kid up and puts him in a standing choke-hold. Dirtbike Kid starts flailing around like crazy and the ref calls for the bell. Then Sasuke kind of stands around, stares at the kid for a minute, and then heads straight for the back. (thanks to Ed Reese)

364. Tommy Lee vs. Shawn Michaels, 1995
Apparently there was some sort of altercation backstage at Wrestlemania 11 with Shawn Michaels and Tommy Lee in which Tommy Lee tried to jump Michaels from behind, causing Sid to intervene and pin him against the wall. Pamela Lee Anderson's face during the match was like she didn't want to be there. (thanks to John Regent & Powerslam magazine)

365. Bradshaw v Steve Blackman, 1999/2000
WWF was in between shows at the local airport, and the wrestlers were waiting by the baggage collection bay and Bradshaw decided to dick about trying to push Blackman onto the moving luggage belt. Blackman turned around unflustered and planted a crescent kick flush on Bradshaw's jaw, knocking him clean out, picked up his bag and walked on. Both shook hands when it was done. (thanks to Steven & Chris)

366. Bradshaw vs. Duke Droese
There was a scene between Bradshaw and Duke the Dumpster Droese, that has gained some fame. Apparently, Droese was making homemade GHB, and slipping it into girls drinks and raping them. The wrestlers backstage had told him how distasteful it was. But someone got word of it, and told Bradshaw to take care of it. So he essentially tied Droese up in the shower, and the stories vary from there. The most widely told version would be that Droese ended up raped in some way shape or form. I am more likely to believe that Bradshaw just made him think he was going to get raped. (thanks to Chris)

367. William Regal vs. Bill Goldberg, 1998
Regal had the moment with Goldberg where he did a little unscheduled mat wrestling. I think the only reason why this is considered, is because Goldberg didn't know what was going on. Regal could lead a dead man through a believable sequence, and I believe that is what he was trying to do. But Goldberg flopped around, and ended up looking like an idiot. I remember watching this live on Nitro, and didn't know about it, but it sure looked like something was wrong. (thanks to Chris & codytheimpaler.com)

368. William Regal vs. The Giant (Big Show)
Regal came to near blows with Paul Wight. Wight was complaining about selling for Rey Misterio Jr, and Regal got in his face and told him he was a fat slob, and that the only difference between Wight and Ron Reis was a push (ouch, that hurts). They were broken up quickly after that. (thanks to Chris)

369. Nobuhiko Takada vs Trevor Berbick
Berbick (ex (WBC I think?) Heavyweight Boxing Champion) was brought into UWF-I to have a worked match with Takada, but Takada double crossed him in the ring and started kicking him in the knee. Berbick protested to the ref about these being illegal blows (below the belt), but the ref said go on and fight. Berbick tried to fight back, but Takada's leg kicks and footwork were such that the Bozer couldn't get position to throw, let alone land, a punch. He backed into the corner, Takada kicked him some more, and Berbick left the ring and ran away. WINNER: Takada (but this is the only real fight he won in his life) (thanks to Alex Boothroyd)

370. Torrie Wilson vs. Chyna & Trish & Debra
According to numerous reports during the Alliance-era, Torrie Wilson was not very welcome by three WWE Divas apon her hiring. Apparentally Chyna was caught backstage mocking Ms. Wilson by Torrie herself. And if you didn't read at least one report about Trish and Torrie not getting along backstage then you must have been living under a rock. Finally Debra got the impression that Torrie had the hots for Stone Cold and was being a little too nice to the then-WWF Champion. Looking down the score card.... Trish and Torrie have reportedly patched up their difference while Chyna and Debra were both eventually released/left. WINNER: Two out of a three-- Torrie Wilson. (thanks to Lita Maivia)

371. Tatsumi Fujinami vs. Kevin Nash
Nash had been talking smack backstage during his first tour of New Japan and supposedly made some derogatory comments to Fujinami. Fujinami, taking exception to it, walked over and hit Nash (who was seated at the time) with a palm strike (open hand slap). Nash didn't say anything to Fujinami the rest of the tour. (thanks to Nick)

372. Jim Duggan vs. Balls Mahoney
Balls Mahoney tells a story on his shoot tape about Hacksaw Jim Duggan. At the time Balls is still doing the fire breathing gimmick. He was working all the tops faces that came in to work shows. Before the match they go over some stuff they want to do in the match, including the fire gimmick, which Duggan will duck. So they got the match going and Duggan screws up the first two planned spots. So Balls decides to just finish it and get over it and Duggan agrees. As they are going for the finish, Balls get the fluid in his mouth, lights the lighter, gets ready to blow..... Duggan just knocks the lighter out of his hand. Mahoney ends up just spitting fluid. No fire. Balls stops. Flips Duggan off in the ring. Drops and rolls out of the ring and goes to the back. Mahoney gets in the back and is ready to kill. Some of the guys lock him in an office. At the time Mahoney was working in Puerto Rico and carried a knife at all times. He was ready to come out swinging. Someone got to Duggan who was blaming Mahoney for everything going wrong and told him if he didn't leave it would be bad for his health. By the time Mahoney got out of the office. Duggan got his stuff and had left. (thanks to WJD and wrestlingclassics.com)

373. Tatanka vs. Max Moon, 1992
From what I've heard, Tatanka and Max Moon got in a fight backstage at the '92 Rumble after Tatanka found out Moon was hitting on his wife. They were separated and even locked in different dressing rooms, and then during the Rumble itself Vince made sure the two would not wind up in the ring at the same time. (thanks to Bishounen No Kawai)

374. Big Bossman vs. Sam Martelli, 1993
Back around the middle of '93, Big Bossman and Nailz did a series of shows for the AWF. On one particular night during their match, Nailz flung Bossman into the turnbuckles, which came loose and caused half the ring ropes to collapse. When the ring crew came out to fix it, Bossman and Nailz brawled around them and some words were exchanged between Bossman and Sam Martelli (one of the ring crew and also local wrestler). After the match, as Bossman was passing Martelli, a few more words were exchanged before Bossman abruptly put his hand in Martelli's face and pushed him to the floor. He received a huge cheer and he even came back later to pose for pics. (thanks to Stan Zanesky)

375. Nathan Jones vs. Cremator
A lot of Aussie wrestlers resented Nathan Jones when he got the WWA gig and a few were very vocal about it. The Cremator, who worked for a rival organization to Jones, would get on radio every week and bad mouth the big man. Jones finally had enough one morning and called in from his car saying he was on his way to the studio to put cremator in his box. When the show went off air they said he hadn't arrived at the station but I heard there was a confrontation in which Cremator took a beating. Might be true because he didn't appear at the next 2 shows for the company. (thanks to Rudy Zarzoff)

376. nWo vs. a fan, 1996
A Hogan fan jumped the railing, got into the ring, and is immediately met by a punch from Kevin Nash that sends him to the floor. Upon noticing this, Scott Hall advances and lays a thunderous kick to the mans head. (thanks to Rudy Zarzoff)

377. Hogan & nWo Sting vs. a fan, 1997
A fan in a Sting mask scaled the cage and was immediately tackled by nWo Sting. Hogan noticed the kid in the corner and went over with Savage and beat on him outside the ring. He then dragged him into ring and continued his attack until security broke it up. Savage looked like he was trying to calm the fan down. (thanks to Rudy Zarzoff)

378. Jesse Ventura vs. the Road Warriors
On a local radio show a few months back, a DJ was saying that there was a slight altercation between Jesse Ventura and the then Road Warriors. To keep the story short, Ventura made a comment about how Animal's motorcycle that Animal took the wrong way. And Animal punched Ventura in the stomach so hard that Ventura pissed himself. Hawk called into the show about 20 minutes later and said that the story was true and neither himself or Animal liked Ventura at all. (thanks to HHBX)

379. Jack Victory vs. Sandman, 2000
I don't know the details but supposedly Sandman was drunk as usual and running his mouth. Anyway, they wound up trading blows with Victory allegedly getting the better of Sandman. The fight was eventually broken up single-handedly by Big Sal E. Graziano. (thanks to BurningHammer)

380. Eddie Guerrero vs. a fan, 2002
During an RVD-Guerrero ladder match on Raw, some (presumably) drunk fan ran in the ring and knocked over the ladder right as Eddie was climbing it. Eddie saw the guy coming in and was able to land safely. The ref tackled the jackass and held him up for one free shot from Eddie before being dragged out of the ring. Eddie got in one stomp to the head before security had completely gotten the guy onto the floor. (thanks to BurninghHmmer)

381. Sabu vs. the Yakuza
On the Mike Awesome shoot interview, he talks about Sabu getting jumped by the Yakuza at an FMW show. Apparently, the Yakuza were always present at ringside and the wrestlers were told to avoid brawling where they were. Sabu just didn't care. He threw his opponent out by the Yakuza and proceeded to do one of his suicide dives right into the crowd where they were. When a couple of them got in his face, Sabu started throwing punched at them. They chased Sabu into the back and were beating on him, when Mike Awesome heard the commotion as they passed by the locker room. He opened the locker room door and saw one of the Yakuza standing over Sabu, trying to smash his head in with a chair. Mike knocked him down and threw a couple other guys off of Sabu, then quickly helped Sabu up and they ran into a nearby locker room and locked the door. According to Mike, they were stuck in the locker room for an hour, with security guarding the door, because the Yakuza refused to leave. They were threatening to stab both Mike and Sabu. After a while tensions eased and the Yakuza left. (thanks to EpidemicOfHate)

382. Bruiser Brody vs. Seiji Sakaguchi, 1985
Taken from wrestlingclassics.com: Brody and Sakaguchi got into a legit fight during a singles match the night before. Brody was mad about not getting his promised broker fee in setting up the World Class/New Japan deal, but more likely, probably figuring reprisals may have been coming that night. It wouldn't have been over losing, because Snuka was doing the job, and Brody had no problem working tag matches if his partner was taking the fall. (thanks to Dave Meltzer)

383. Tom Pritchard & Manny Fernandez vs. 2 drunks
Taken from Tom's column on WWE.com: I have only been in two bar fights. I was with Manny Fernandez each time. Manny was the kind of guy who liked to fight. I don’t know why, because all it really did was get him banned from places we really wanted to go. One night Manny decided this guy was “looking at him.” I couldn’t imagine why. I mean, here was a guy with big white bandages on his forehead standing by the bar ordering double shots of Jack Daniels and tequila. Hell, nothing wrong with that. But Manny had to ask the guy “what the @#$%” he was looking at! Without saying a word, this cowboy hauled off and punched Manny right in the mouth. It must have been a glancing blow because Manny shook it off and proceeded to grab the guy’s cowboy shirt and punch him three times in the face. Immediately, one of the bouncers jumped in to pull Manny off. At the same time, the cowboy’s friend tried to take a poke at Manny. When he did that, I grabbed his neck in the best rear chinlock I could and pulled him down on top of me. This was great. Now I’m on the floor with beer and spit with a 250-pound drunk on top of me. More bouncers arrived and pulled us up. Luckily, the manager (Jim) was a good friend of Manny’s and the bartenders all agreed that the cowboy started everything by looking at Manny sideways. Jeez! (thanks to Terry Borsum)

384. Tom Pritchard & Manny Fernandez vs. more drunks
Taken from Tom's column on WWE.com: Another time, same place, Manny and I went in just to “say hello” to Jim and have the proverbial “one drink.” Note: Whenever Manny Fernandez or Bradshaw says we’re only going to have one drink, DON’T BELIEVE THEM! Once again, some cowboy was talking too loud for Manny’s taste and he wanted to shut him up. This time Manny didn’t say anything. He just walked up and punched the guy in his eye! The guy dropped like a rock and someone at the bar grabbed Manny from behind. I made an attempt to help Manny when I felt an arm come across my throat and pull me back. Damn! The same bouncers came and broke it up. This time the police came. Once again everybody vouched for Manny. But when the cops left, Jim told Manny he couldn’t come back anymore. I was glad because this time could have turned out real bad. (thanks to Terry Borsum)

385. Adrian Adonis vs. Dan Spivey, 1986 Spivey, for an unknown reason, gave Adonis several black eyes in front of all the wrestlers. This was back when both were in WWF, and if you recall, Adonis briefly wore a veil over his head to cover the marks on his face.


386. Sting vs. Dick Slater, 1986
Don't know much about this, and have heard several versions. Basically, backstage at a UWF show, Slater really gave it to Sting (known back then as Bladerunner Sting). Sting apparently didn't fight back much and just took it like a man.

387. Terry Gordy vs. Dallas Police Department, 1986
Gordy was arrested at a Dallas nightclub after a night of heavy drinking. He didn't hurt any cops, but he destroyed a few patrol cars.

388. Terry Taylor & the Fantastics vs some taunting fans, 1986
Some fans were heckling the babyfaces, who probably had the hearts of the fans' girlfriends. The fans said wrestling was fake and that the blood was fake. Taylor punched the guy to prove the blood wasn't fake, and the wrestlers were arrested in Baton Rouge.

389. Chris Adams vs. a pilot, 1986
Adams caused a disturbance on a flight to Ft Worth, and was arrested upon landing. He apparently made some threats to the co-pilot.

390. Justin Bradshaw vs a drunken fan
This one was on RAW. Bradshaw was in a singles match (I forget who). Anyway the action spills outside into the crowd, and this fan starts taunting Bradshaw. At first he ignores the fan, but he (the fan) still eggs him on. As if that weren't bad enough, the fan throws beer on Bradshaw. Next thing you know the big guy turns around and knocks said fan out. Meanwhile King and J.R. go on with the show like nothing ever happened. (thanks to Ian Anderson)

391. Bubba Dudley Vs Renee Dupre, 2003
It was Dudley Boyz vs. La Resistance. The Dudleys gave Sylvan Grenier a 3-D, and Renee Dupree was meant to break it up, but Renee was out of place, forcing Grenier to kick out of the 3-D. All through the match, after Bubba worked stiff on Renee and some words were exchanged backstage, allegedly it ended in a scuffle with Bubba and Renee. (thanks to Ash)

392. Chris Jericho vs. a fan
Jericho was at the bottom of the ramp and a fan jumped him and clubbed him in the back but security grabbed him and Jericho got in a punch to the back of his head as they drag him away. They just pretended nothing happened and because Undertaker was the next out and the arena went black. (thanks to Lance)

393. Blackjack Mulligan vs. Bob Roop, 1986
After a show at the Miami Marine Stadium, Mulligan (father of Barry Windham) saw Roop in the dressing room and beat him so bad that Roop needed medical attention. This apparently stemmed from years earlier when Roop was booking Florida.

394. Kevin Kelly vs. Sheik Kaissey, 1987
No, this isn't the Kevin Kelly who announced for WWE. These two got into it while taping interviews at an AWA taping, and reportedly "Kaissey was beaten to a pulp."

395. Bruiser Brody vs. Paul Heyman, 1987
From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter: "Brody and Paul E. Dangerously had an out-of-the-ring fracas at the World of Wheels show in Atlanta. Dangerously wasn't hurt although I bet his heart skipped several beats." This show was promoted by Jerry Blackwell (former AWA champ), and Heyman was talking a mile a minute, and Brody exploded and threw him to the ground. There was no "fight," as Brody just wanted to shake Heyman up and scare him (it worked). There was never any heat between them after this. (thanks to Dave Meltzer)

396. Badnews Brown vs. Cuban Assassin, 1987
Assassin showed up at the WWF TV tapings in Wichita, and Brown ended up chasing him around with a chair. There was bad blood between the two from Calgary, when they and their wives all got into a brawl, which resulted in Assassin leaving the territory
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2009, 10:43:27 AM »

love this tread.good stories.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2009, 12:30:54 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2009, 08:08:52 PM »

Lovin the stories man please keep emm comin.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 07:00:41 PM »

Montague for wrestling moderator!

Thanks, man.
I had a fan club a few years ago, but the guy died.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 07:57:54 PM »

Re #299:
Did you ever see that match? It was interesting to see Andre “shoot.” A lot of people probably don’t know that Andre could actually wrestle as he was schooled in catch as catch can by some English grapplers.
I’m sure that a lot of the fans realized what was going on here. Listen to their reaction when Akira almost knocks Andre down with one of his kicks to Andre’s leg.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB07aBYkZjM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB07aBYkZjM</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeirpA3SrvI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeirpA3SrvI</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSaa8wvP-JQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSaa8wvP-JQ</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYdQL_SKoA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYdQL_SKoA</a>


Re #300:
Brody was a dick. If he wasn’t satisfied with a payoff, he’d do juvenile shit. He once entered the ring with a mop that had just been used to clean up vomit, and started swinging it around while the mess was flung all over the fans. He thought he was screwing the promoter, but really he was hurting the regular guys who worked that territory every week. Who would come back to a show after that?

Re #316:
I actually just watched this for the first time last week.
Not sure what the reasoning was behind it, but here it is:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgbvWPnY3EU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgbvWPnY3EU</a>

Re #338:
Interesting. I never detected any bitterness, but always wondered why I never saw Shane and Tracey really talking backstage at indy shows. They both seemed like really cool people.

Re #339:
I don’t recall our old promoter ever booking Shane & Sandman on the same card. Undecided

Re #340:
Balls was always awesome. Never learned my name, and probably couldn’t remember where he knew me from (or that he even knew me at all), but he always talked very candidly with me about everything.
He once went nuts on a fan because said fan didn't recognize him at an indy show (this was when Balls lost a ton of weight, shaved, dyed his hair, and really didn't look like the Balls we all know and love).

Re #356:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWcpsG17z4M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWcpsG17z4M</a>
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 10:39:39 PM »

Thanks, man.
I had a fan club a few years ago, but the guy died.

oh  Lips sealed
anyway, thanks for the great posts for this fledging wrestling board. You, leonp1981, cheftim among others as well as the mods are doing a great job! me, my knowledge of wrestling is no where near your archives  Embarrassed therefore i value all your inputs  Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2009, 05:15:01 AM »

oh  Lips sealed
anyway, thanks for the great posts for this fledging wrestling board. You, leonp1981, cheftim among others as well as the mods are doing a great job! me, my knowledge of wrestling is no where near your archives  Embarrassed therefore i value all your inputs  Smiley

That’s probably because – unlike us – you actually have a life.
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But anyway, you're welcome.


Up until the last two or so years, I’ve watched professional wrestling practically my entire life. At about 5 years old I was formally introduced - right before the big Hulkamania/Wrestlemania boom.

I had a cousin who closely followed the other regional promotions during those years and it was really because of him that I knew about life outside McMahon-land.

My best friend during my college years was about 14 years older than me, and was another lifelong wrestling geek. He was the original “smark.”
He grew up watching Studio Wrestling with Bruno, Monsoon, Kowalski, Fuji, Baron Scicluna, DeNucci, etc., and taught me about the old time guys.
He also had a friend who trained and worked with Foley & Shane Douglas (before they became bigger talents).
Anyway, we would discuss the finer details of the “real work” of pro wrestling. We worked on character development and holds, etc. for me.

When I started training, I was fortunate enough (or not Grin) to meet some bigger workers from the past, present, and ones who would soon shoot to greater heights like CM Punk.

I would read and watch just about any kind of book or interview that looked interesting.

These days I prefer to simply sit back and passively enjoy the "sport" – particularly its past.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2009, 08:46:56 AM »

Re #299:
Did you ever see that match? It was interesting to see Andre “shoot.” A lot of people probably don’t know that Andre could actually wrestle as he was schooled in catch as catch can by some English grapplers.
I’m sure that a lot of the fans realized what was going on here. Listen to their reaction when Akira almost knocks Andre down with one of his kicks to Andre’s leg.


i wouldnt think Andre would get abused like that so easily. he was pretty much embarrassed correct?
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2009, 09:08:45 AM »

Personally, I think the reason Maeda was able to take Andre down as easily as he did was that he’d spent so much time kicking & weakening Andre’s leg(s), which weren’t in the best of shape to begin with. And don’t forget that Andre also had a lot of back problems around this time.

After the final takedown, Andre looked as if he was challenging Maeda to get down and shoot on the mat. That’s when Maeda backed away, ducked out of the ring, and had his meltdown.
And that last takedown that occurred at about 42 sec. into the last clip showed Maeda moving in while Andre’s head was turned looking to the right.

I really don’t know how it would’ve gone down had the two been allowed to shoot all the way with a clear understanding of what was going on; i.e. both men would be trying their best and hardest rather than wondering how far they should go.

Perhaps Maeda knew how to shoot, but Andre also knew how to wrestle and certainly had an enormous size, weight and strength advantage.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2009, 09:49:49 AM »

There are some crazy stories in this thread, it would've been cool to be around to see some of these things!

anyway, thanks for the great posts for this fledging wrestling board. You, leonp1981, cheftim among others as well as the mods are doing a great job! me, my knowledge of wrestling is no where near your archives  Embarrassed therefore i value all your inputs  Smiley

Thanks for the mention mate, but there are a lot of guys who know their stuff better than me, I just try to keep the threads coming!  I'm not really up on a lot of the earlier stuff cos it wasn't on TV over in the UK.  It's been cool having the wrestling board on here, and I don't seem spend any time on the other boards any more.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2009, 09:54:08 AM »

Here's the vid of Eddie getting knocked off the ladder:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_bASOtoiow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_bASOtoiow</a>

And a funny one of Jeff Jarrett getting a fan in the ring then hitting him:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJpuNmqGCc4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJpuNmqGCc4</a>
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2009, 09:56:40 AM »

And another one.  Watch Savage go mental on the stupid guy!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCnQ5P-VpVw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCnQ5P-VpVw</a>
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2009, 10:57:13 AM »

When will the fans learn that the barricade is for there protection as well as the wrestlers and when you cross that line your gonna get messed up because that is the LINE that you DO NOT cross?? Its really stupid man honestly what do they think will happen besides the wrestlers grouping up on them getting the shit beat outta them and going to jail??

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2009, 12:36:23 PM »

There are some crazy stories in this thread, it would've been cool to be around to see some of these things!

Leon,
Do you have any knowledge of Max & Shirley Crabtree?
I know that both of the British Bulldogs got their start working in the Crabtree family’s territory.

Have you also heard of Billy Robinson, Ted Betley, and the rich shoot wrestling history that Wigan has?
I understand that a lot of the coal minors from just outside the Lancashire area developed & improved on that style basically as a way to pass time while working the mines.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2009, 08:27:08 PM »

Leon,
Do you have any knowledge of Max & Shirley Crabtree?
I know that both of the British Bulldogs got their start working in the Crabtree family’s territory.

Have you also heard of Billy Robinson, Ted Betley, and the rich shoot wrestling history that Wigan has?
I understand that a lot of the coal minors from just outside the Lancashire area developed & improved on that style basically as a way to pass time while working the mines.


I know a little about Big Daddy, I went to see him wrestle when I was little, I've still got his autographed photo laying around somewhere!  Tough guy by all accounts.

I'm afraid I don't know anything about the Wigan guys, I'm probably a bit too young for them.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2009, 08:55:07 PM »

Yeah.
Billy Robinson was already starting to hang it up by the late 1970's.

When you have time some day, search Youtube or dailymotion for clips of Robinson. There’s probably something out there with him.
Billy never had even a decent body, but he could shoot. His hands and knuckles were all twisted and deformed from all the submission work he did. He had quite a reputation as a legitimately tough guy, and seldom did anyone try it on with Billy.

With a little bit of pro mixed with a whole lot of submission, Billy’s unusual ring style went over much better in Japan than in the U.S., and he made a good bit of money for himself while over there.
Never flashy or flamboyant, but true wrestling fans could appreciate his skill.
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