Author Topic: The TRUE natural limit? (Read 35996 times)

beard · « **Reply #50 on:** June 21, 2009, 03:17:35 PM »

I can't understand why anyone who trains want to be natural. I mean it's like you can drive a Ferrari but you choose to ride a bicycle.

liberalismo · « **Reply #51 on:** June 21, 2009, 03:23:56 PM »

Quote from: beard on June 21, 2009, 03:17:35 PM

I can't understand why anyone who trains want to be natural. I mean it's like you can drive a Ferrari but you choose to ride a bicycle.

^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.

ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.
When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).

jtsunami · « **Reply #52 on:** June 21, 2009, 06:03:41 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on June 21, 2009, 03:23:56 PM

^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.

ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.
When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).

you build a natural base for 5 years first you will keep it after you get off, then you get on roids and they are not risky wtf are you talking about? They make you feel good and look good, are you a health nut or something?

jt

thelamefalsehood · « **Reply #53 on:** June 21, 2009, 06:52:54 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on June 21, 2009, 03:23:56 PM

^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.

ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.
When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).

FFS, you really are a douche. Not all steroid users are the typical 19 year old kid who takes whatever he can get, works out for 3 months then quits the minute the juice is gone. I worked out for over 10 years before touching a thing. Whenever I come off, I'm still bigger and stronger than guys who have never juiced and many that juice nonstop from the beginning, because I had the natural base to begin with. If you stay a lifetime natural, YOU WILL ABSOLUTELY HIT A BRICK WALL AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU CHANGE, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE STUCK!!!!!! Your body can only produce so much testosterone, GH and Insulin and their is only so many ways you can manipulate it. I admire true naturals, I really do. BUT, they are the preachiest group of people that are overly passionate about a sport that was built on performance enhancers and always will be, you don't like it, join the swim team, TRUE naturals have the build

T-Bag · « **Reply #54 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:02:02 PM »

one of my best friends - I know for a fact he's natural. trains hard and has unreal genetics

tbombz · « **Reply #55 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:05:30 PM »

i wish i had a nickel for every person who has a friend who is a juicer and they know for a fact that he is a natural.

T-Bag · « **Reply #56 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:08:56 PM »

well we get tested randomly throughout the year so ....

thelamefalsehood · « **Reply #57 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:21:03 PM »

Quote from: T-Bag on June 21, 2009, 07:08:56 PM

well we get tested randomly throughout the year so ....

Who tests you? I don't know of any workplace that tests for AAS, not trying to call out you or your friend, just curious.

jtsunami · « **Reply #58 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:22:58 PM »

Quote from: T-Bag on June 21, 2009, 07:08:56 PM

well we get tested randomly throughout the year so ....

so does this man

johnnynoname · « **Reply #59 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:23:50 PM »

if that guy is natural then I really look like "chaos"

Croatch · « **Reply #60 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:47:02 PM »

Quote from: m8 on June 21, 2009, 03:04:50 PM

You know pro gear takers must get tired of the "steroids" comment. Even though, at the end of the day, they're primarily drugs and most likely have never gained 30lbs of muscle on their own.

jtsunami · « **Reply #61 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:26:18 PM »

Quote from: Croatch on June 21, 2009, 07:47:02 PM

You know pro gear takers must get tired of the "steroids" comment. Even though, at the end of the day, they're primarily drugs and most likely have never gained 30lbs of muscle on their own.

bitter bitter man, just let it go, you will be so much happier

clued-up · « **Reply #62 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:37:02 PM »

Quote from: Croatch on June 21, 2009, 07:47:02 PM

You know pro gear takers must get tired of the "steroids" comment. Even though, at the end of the day, they're primarily drugs and most likely have never gained 30lbs of muscle on their own.

lots of people build a decent base before they use gear.. even *pro gear takers*

On the other hand – I know guys that have been juicing from teen age, and are truly all drugs. I wonder how much mass a guy can retain.. if he’s never trained without steroids, but decided to quit?

Jeffro · « **Reply #63 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:42:19 PM »

Quote from: T-Bag on June 21, 2009, 07:02:02 PM

one of my best friends - I know for a fact he's natural. trains hard and has unreal genetics

Unless you're with him 24 hours a day, how exactly would you "know for a fact he's natural?"

The only person that truly knows is himself, so quit making these stupid claims. What, so just because he's your "friend," that means he has to be telling you the truth about everything?

alnassak · « **Reply #64 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:44:37 PM »

Quote from: #1 Klaus fan on June 21, 2009, 10:30:04 AM

I salute you!

Thank you

3Dkiller · « **Reply #65 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:51:21 PM »

you must be such a moron to believe hes natural. yeah natural as my cock.

dyslexic · « **Reply #66 on:** June 21, 2009, 10:31:12 PM »

Since he's so "natural" I guess he's got a lot to look forward to once he starts juicin'....

uberman09 · « **Reply #67 on:** June 21, 2009, 11:54:07 PM »

Quote from: dyslexic on June 21, 2009, 10:31:12 PM

Since he's so "natural" I guess he's got a lot to look forward to once he starts juicin'....

looks like this dude is abusing creatine...

JOCKTHEGLIDE · « **Reply #68 on:** June 22, 2009, 12:38:13 AM »

Quote from: T-Bag on June 21, 2009, 07:02:02 PM

one of my ~~best~~ FORMER GAY f~~riends~~ PARTNERS - I know for a fact he's natural. trains hard and has unreal genetics

TechnoViking · « **Reply #69 on:** June 22, 2009, 02:56:07 AM »

Quote from: dyslexic on June 21, 2009, 10:31:12 PM

Since he's so "natural" I guess he's got a lot to look forward to once he starts juicin'....

beard · « **Reply #70 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:59:24 AM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on June 21, 2009, 10:21:43 AM

My picture is not about the natural limit...some people with more years of training and with better supplements can achieve a much better physique naturally. So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids... Why?

This is me at 18 years old, after 3 years of training, natural. No juice, no fat burners, no diuretic.

*cough* liar! *cough* even you are skinny, I don't believe you for one second.

beard · « **Reply #71 on:** June 22, 2009, 04:06:11 AM »

Quote from: liberalismo on June 21, 2009, 03:23:56 PM

^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.

ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.

When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).

Not if you never come off

You'll be big all the time. And things like HGH you never need to come off, and it's not giving you any bad sides. What you gain with GH you pretty much keep even if you would stop

beard · « **Reply #72 on:** June 22, 2009, 04:12:48 AM »

By the way... HGH is the first choice of a natural bodybuilder ... why? Because there is no way to see if someone uses GH .... no test for that.

beard · « **Reply #73 on:** June 22, 2009, 04:26:34 AM »

"In fact, around 300 HGH blood tests were conducted at the Athens Games, and about 100 in Turin, and there were no positives there, either. Perhaps the testing itself serves as a deterrent, but anti-doping experts suggest that in-competition testing for HGH simply is not effective."

(Thinking like som guys on this board) Maybe they never took anything ... maybe they are all natural ... doh!

beard · « **Reply #74 on:** June 22, 2009, 04:36:23 AM »

And this is what you can achieve natural if you do everything right, eat, sleep and train well.

And that guy on the pic is to 99% chance juiced.